Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #4

[n_6CC]

If the police are quiet and good friends and family are too, does anyone have the feeling that she wanted to get away from KC? This just does not seem right. Any other missing person case seems to be handled very differently. Seems like serious negligence on PD's part, or extreme foul play. I just don't get this case at all.


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[AceDetective]

Depends on who you work for.......very easy actually. Crusher, driving it over state lines and having your associates take care of it. A criminal will find a way to dispose of a car. Otherwise, they may as well turn themselves in. Happens everyday. All over the Mid-west, West-Coast etc.

Well, let me tell you... I know a crack-head. He steals a vehicle, drives it for a few weeks, and then torches it.

A scrap vehicle is worth $200. Do you think he would collect that $200 if he could?

So for certain people, yeah, they have the right connections. However, as I already said, even if you have those connections, do you trust them with your ultra high profile 2014 Black Ford Focus?

It's just not as easy as people imagine it is.

 

[n_6CC]

I think it's likely based on the establishment's discretion. Location and time of day could play a part obviously. I have been to gas stations that will let you pump before you pay 24/7. Those are typically in nicer neighborhoods of course.

But I can't say I've ever known $150 to be needed to pump. I think $30-$40 is likely more realistic, which is closer to cost of a tank of gas.

For instance, it takes over 75$ to fill my suburban. They don't know what type of car you have - that's why they hold a certain amount or put that amount on hold. Several QT stations where I live hold that amount, even in the nice areas. Now, Dillons gas stations do not hold that amount. It's up to the companies that process the charges at each company. Just FYI.


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[MaxManning]

For instance, it takes over 75$ to fill my suburban. They don't know what type of car you have - that's why they hold a certain amount or put that amount on hold. Several QT stations where I live hold that amount, even in the nice areas. Now, Dillons gas stations do not hold that amount. It's up to the companies that process the charges at each company. Just FYI.


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I think what I said "It's likely based on the establishment's discretion" , basically means what you said.

I know for a fact I've pumped gas with less than $75 in my account on many occasions, so I'm sure the "discretion" part is at play. I don't doubt that $150 thing happens at some locations, again... discretion. But I've never personally run into that.

 

[AceDetective]

Here's what QuikTrip has to say about the matter:

"When you swipe a debit (check) card as debit at a pump and enter your pin number (on-line debit), a message is sent through a network to your financial institution for a preauthorization amount between $75-$100 depending on the price of gas. The bank checks the account and sends a message back to the pump with an approval (funds available) or a decline (funds not available). Once preauthorized, the pump is set to this amount and you can begin filling your tank. As soon as your financial institution receives this request, there is a temporary hold on the account by the retailer. This hold is supposed to last only as long as you pump gas into your car. When you return the pump handle, a message is sent back to your financial institution immediately that completes the transaction and records the actual amount of the purchase. This amount should replace the preauthorized amount. Each debit network has rules on the amount of time the issuing bank can hold the preauthorization, which is normally 2-3 hours. QT has no control over the amount of time a preauthorization is held on a customer account by their financial institution."

So it would be up to your bank whether or not to authorize. If your bank allows overdrafts (mine does) then you wouldn't need to have the $75 in the account, I would guess.

I'm puzzled as to why this is being discussed, though...

 

[BigRedTomato]

Pete said the Andersons are doing an interview on Sunday. We can only hope.

I hadn't heard that the Andersons are doing an interview. Do you or does anyone else know where and what time it's supposed to be?

 

[MaxManning]

Here's what QuikTrip has to say about the matter:

"When you swipe a debit (check) card as debit at a pump and enter your pin number (on-line debit), a message is sent through a network to your financial institution for a preauthorization amount between $75-$100 depending on the price of gas. The bank checks the account and sends a message back to the pump with an approval (funds available) or a decline (funds not available). Once preauthorized, the pump is set to this amount and you can begin filling your tank. As soon as your financial institution receives this request, there is a temporary hold on the account by the retailer. This hold is supposed to last only as long as you pump gas into your car. When you return the pump handle, a message is sent back to your financial institution immediately that completes the transaction and records the actual amount of the purchase. This amount should replace the preauthorized amount. Each debit network has rules on the amount of time the issuing bank can hold the preauthorization, which is normally 2-3 hours. QT has no control over the amount of time a preauthorization is held on a customer account by their financial institution."

So it would be up to your bank whether or not to authorize. If your bank allows overdrafts (mine does) then you wouldn't need to have the $75 in the account, I would guess.

I'm puzzled as to why this is being discussed, though...

Only point is why Toni's card showed declined twice.

Personally, I don't think this is significant.

 

[RoyalsGal8]

Last thing on the debit card then let's quit discussing it. I've worked in retail banking for over 15 years. If you run it as DEBIT then a hold between $75-$150 will be placed on your account. It's just to make sure you have adequate funds while pumping the gas. If you run your debit card as CREDIT it will usually go through as it only charges you a dollar until the merchant batches their system.


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[perfectingpink]

Why does my bank say that QT is "holding" preauthorized funds?

Credit:
When you swipe a debit (check) card as credit at a gas pump a message is sent through Visa to your financial institution asking for $1 preauthorization. This is a status check that Visa/MC has approved and guarantees payment to the merchant up to $75. Your financial institution checks the account and sends a message back to the pump with an approval (valid account) or a decline (invalid account). Once preauthorized, you can begin filling your tank. Since banks do not know how much gas you will be pumping, the bank places a limit (hold) on the account for the amount they determine to be sufficient to guarantee payment for the gasoline purchase. The merchant settles all transactions once a day with their processor and the issuing bank receives within 1-2 days. The bank can hold funds against the account until the actual amount is received from the merchant which can take up to 3 days.

Debit:
When you swipe a debit (check) card as debit at a pump and enter your pin number (on-line debit), a message is sent through a network to your financial institution for a preauthorization amount between $75-$100 depending on the price of gas. The bank checks the account and sends a message back to the pump with an approval (funds available) or a decline (funds not available). Once preauthorized, the pump is set to this amount and you can begin filling your tank. As soon as your financial institution receives this request, there is a temporary hold on the account by the retailer. This hold is supposed to last only as long as you pump gas into your car. When you return the pump handle, a message is sent back to your financial institution immediately that completes the transaction and records the actual amount of the purchase. This amount should replace the preauthorized amount. Each debit network has rules on the amount of time the issuing bank can hold the preauthorization, which is normally 2-3 hours. QT has no control over the amount of time a preauthorization is held on a customer account by their financial institution.

https://www.quiktrip.com/QT-Cards/FAQ

 

[n_6CC]

I think what I said "It's likely based on the establishment's discretion" , basically means what you said.

I know for a fact I've pumped gas with less than $75 in my account on many occasions, so I'm sure the "discretion" part is at play. I don't doubt that $150 thing happens at some locations, again... discretion. But I've never personally run into that.

Yes, we are saying the same thing [emoji106]I wanted to throw that out there in case it ever comes up again on another case- just my experience with funds being put on hold in regards to gas- Hoping for some new information soon- aren't we all!!!!


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[AceDetective]

So a different missing girl, 17 year old Sarah Dunsey was found recently. It looks like it was human trafficking. (Dare I say it!)

It's got me thinking, could that be what they suspect here? It seems like that case was kept pretty quiet at first.

So here's my thought: is it better to make a big noise, in the hopes that somebody recognizes her? Or is it better to keep it quiet, so the perps think they're home free, and are more likely to post her picture somewhere? Isn't making a big noise more likely to get her killed than get her released?

I really don't think Toni fits the profile, but there are always odd cases, I suppose.

In any case, maybe sometimes it is better to keep the case quiet, if they are pursuing certain leads.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Credit card companies use to automatically deduct $1 and then deduct the rest of the gas amount the next day. Lol.

But people started taking advantage of that and were filling up on more than what the card had on there.

So it's likely that they do now put limitations on cards that only have so much unless the person pays inside.

 

[AceDetective]

The more I think about it the more convinced I become that Toni's biggest risk factor was stalkers tied to her work.

"70% of strippers reported that they have been followed home, and 42% say they have been stalked." (source)

Some interesting stuff about stalker relationships here: https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=33728
(Basically the article says strippers often are inadvertently part of the problem by accepting gifts outside the club.)

I recall Toni writing about getting $200 tips. I wonder if they know who that was. And I wonder if that was in response to a joke Toni made...

On June 23, 2016, Toni joked to a friend on her twitter "don't ask out ya local stripper if you didn't even tip $200." (link)

To be clear: that was a joke. But a stalker could have taken it as real.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I keep thinking back to where the night she went missing was the playoffs in town for the Chiefs and Steelers.

So not only did they most likely bring in the regulars to watch the game, there were, I'm sure, a lot of people from out of town in the area late that night or at the club. It was a night game.

 

[thekarmabus]

The facts just don't add up in my mind to a random abduction/stalker. The GPS was disconnected at QT, there is video of her pulling away from QT. Toni texted after leaving QT. Her phone was on for quite sometime after GPS was out. Which is why I believe she pulled it or it malfunctioned. There must be a reason why LE will not release the dash cam of the stop. Video in cases of LE doing harm have been released in past more quickly . I would hope the secrecy to the video is to protect her and not them.


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[BigRedTomato]

The facts just don't add up in my mind to a random abduction/stalker. The GPS was disconnected at QT, there is video of her pulling away from QT. Toni texted after leaving QT. Her phone was on for quite sometime after GPS was out. Which is why I believe she pulled it or it malfunctioned. There must be a reason why LE will not release the dash cam of the stop. Video in cases of LE doing harm have been released in past more quickly . I would hope the secrecy to the video is to protect her and not them.


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I don't think was random. One explanation I was considering with the insurance tracking device is that she might have done it knowing that she'd be driving fast once she'd left to get to a destination. Perhaps the phone is left on so that an abductor could view incoming calls and texts to be aware of what was developing and be able to adjust to it.

I'm not sure the relevancy of wanting the dash cam and other videos released unless there was something to suggest doing so. Such as if a person at that fuel station witnessed and unusual exchange between she and the officer. Perhaps the police have something that they don't want someone connected with Toni's disappearance to know like a car passing during the stop seen and possibly captured at other locations that could be linked together.

 

[n_6CC]

So a different missing girl, 17 year old Sarah Dunsey was found recently. It looks like it was human trafficking. (Dare I say it!)

It's got me thinking, could that be what they suspect here? It seems like that case was kept pretty quiet at first.

So here's my thought: is it better to make a big noise, in the hopes that somebody recognizes her? Or is it better to keep it quiet, so the perps think they're home free, and are more likely to post her picture somewhere? Isn't making a big noise more likely to get her killed than get her released?

I really don't think Toni fits the profile, but there are always odd cases, I suppose.

In any case, maybe sometimes it is better to keep the case quiet, if they are pursuing certain leads.

Thank you for bringing this case up! It is interestingly similar in terms of how it's being dealt with. So sad. These girls....WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!




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[AceDetective]

I hadn't heard that the Andersons are doing an interview. Do you or does anyone else know where and what time it's supposed to be?

Dateline, allegedly. They would typically tape it, use parts of it for promo, and air it a few days later. I'm thinking Tuesday if they tape on Sunday, but that's a total guess. Might be web only. If it goes on TV isn't that on Sundays?

Anyway, I'm watching for some kind of official announcement. I'm sure we'll get plenty of notice.

 

[AceDetective]

Regarding the Sunday night game involving the Kansas City Chiefs vs the Pittsburgh Steelers...

"The game was originally slated to kick off just after 1 PM EST, but projected snow storms in the area have forced the NFL to move the start time to 8:20 PM EST—giving authorities time to clear the roads and allow fans to get to the game safely." (source)

I've seen it posted many times that it would have been busy Sunday night because of this game. I'm sure it was busy.
Trouble is, Toni went missing Sunday morning.

I'm sure some people were in town on Saturday night for the upcoming game. On the other hand, with a projected ice storm, a lot of people would have stayed home that night. I suspect it was probably slower for a Saturday night. January is usually a pretty slow month for strip clubs, apparently.

Anyway, just thought I'd clear that up.

 

[PokeyMeansBusiness]

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