Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #6

[heartgoesout]

I don't think friendship between a guy Toni was supposed to me and the tow lot owner suggests guilt. But I am glad law enforcement is checking into it in case there is a link.

One question I have:

Is it possible that another tow lot owner is not as skilled or intelligent as you though? I mean, in every field, there are people who are over-performers and people who are under-performers. This guy may have no ambition outside running a very local operation?


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The questioned connection is that a stolen car was pulled out before Toni's. This guy has stolen cars, was close to one of the locations in question and is friends with friends and Toni. Is it enough to question? I think so.

 

[Dr.Strangelove]

The questioned connection is that a stolen car was pulled out before Toni's. This guy has stolen cars, was close to one of the locations in question and is friends with friends and Toni. Is it enough to question? I think so.

I went back to read through the articles to see if they ever released more about the SUV and haven't yet found a link that says it was stolen? Unless I missed it

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I went back to read through the articles to see if they ever released more about the SUV and haven't yet found a link that says it was stolen? Unless I missed it

It was definitely reported that bc it was stolen a long time ago, they didn't believe it was related. But it may have just been in the press conference video...can't remember.


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[heartgoesout]

While Toni's car was being recovered, live media said that LE said it is not related to Toni's case, that it was reported stolen 2015. I don't know how they could determine that it had no connection so quickly? These quick determinations worry me about this case.

Anyway there are plenty of media reports about the black SUV being reported stolen in 2015.

Could be coincidence that less than a week later a tow yard was issued a search warrant and the owner has connections to Toni.

 

[jggordo]

While Toni's car was being recovered, live media said that LE said it is not related to Toni's case, that it was reported stolen 2015. I don't know how they could determine that it had no connection so quickly? These quick determinations worry me about this case.

Anyway there are plenty of media reports about the black SUV being reported stolen in 2015.

Could be coincidence that less than a week later a tow yard was issued a search warrant and the owner has connections to Toni.

The SUV may have been stolen in 2015 and kept in a tow lot or such and only recently used in a crime. When pulled from the river it did not look like it had been under water for over a year.

JMO

 

[Capstan07]

I don't think friendship between a guy Toni was supposed to me and the tow lot owner suggests guilt. But I am glad law enforcement is checking into it in case there is a link.

One question I have:

Is it possible that another tow lot owner is not as skilled or intelligent as you though? I mean, in every field, there are people who are over-performers and people who are under-performers. This guy may have no ambition outside running a very local operation?


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Sure. Most impound operations like his are local. He's probably not very sophisticated in his operation.

I will be shocked if there is any connection.

Obviously, all of this is speculation.

Knowing the industry I highly doubt he is stealing cars in the way people reading this think of stealing. I'm confidant the "stolen cars" on his lot will be paperwork issues with impounded, repoed and towed cars.

The average person has no idea the mountain of paperwork one car can generate and the agencies involved. It's easy to tow a car for parking in a fire lane and end up having to file reams of paperwork with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Mexican Police or even Interpol. Crazy sounding I know but very true.

So my gut based on probabilities knowing this industry well is all the allegedly "stolen cars" end up being ones with botched paperwork. I've been there myself honestly. I've had warrants served, records seized and a few arrests--actually 122 times so far--no convictions--for missing a paperwork technicality. All of this with an office staff of just under 100 people and professional managers etc. I even have my own computer software to track the cars. It's just so easy to overlook something.

A much smaller company, family run, the paperwork is a nightmare. You think your doing things correctly and still get bitten in the butt. Also, an owner / operator has a 1,000 hats to wear so a missing a form can kill you. A car you processed years prior can come back and bite you.

In short....the tow guy isn't really stealing cars like a chop-shop. He's sloppy and missed some paperwork. Almost every single towing company doing recovery, Repo or impounds has a couple or few arrests.



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[KMD_KC]

Another interesting bit... Jay Bloodworth's Girlfriend has been rumored to be a friend of Toni. They were/ are FB friends at the very least, to my knowledge.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Hi everyone. I stopped following this case so I didn't even know until yesterday that Toni had been found. I don't have time to read through all the posts, so would someone please give me the quick and dirty about how far it is from the Quik Stop to where she was found, and why she would have been in the place where she drove off the boat ramp in the first place?
Thanks.

 

[KMD_KC]

Hi everyone. I stopped following this case so I didn't even know until yesterday that Toni had been found. I don't have time to read through all the posts, so would someone please give me the quick and dirty about how far it is from the Quik Stop to where she was found, and why she would have been in the place where she drove off the boat ramp in the first place?
Thanks.

I would start reading thread #5 and come to your own conclusions. No one knows why she did what she did or what really happened . That's why we're all following along.

 

[StacyMarie83]

So ...I'm digging all these theories! I really think something more sinister happened ...whether it was murder, or Toni ingested something (willingly or not) and there was a cover-up ...but something is fishy IMO

Now, in regards to the stolen cars ...I don't think he was going out stealing them himself ...I would assume that he is taking vehicles without paperwork ... which can be very nefarious ..especially if you are doing it for criminals and reaping the benefits of cash and parts (before essentially destroying all evidence).

So, my question about his business would be ...did he have a car crusher? If so, why dump certain vehicles?

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[kstephens98]

Sure. Most impound operations like his are local. He's probably not very sophisticated in his operation.

I will be shocked if there is any connection.

Obviously, all of this is speculation.

Knowing the industry I highly doubt he is stealing cars in the way people reading this think of stealing. I'm confidant the "stolen cars" on his lot will be paperwork issues with impounded, repoed and towed cars.

The average person has no idea the mountain of paperwork one car can generate and the agencies involved. It's easy to tow a car for parking in a fire lane and end up having to file reams of paperwork with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Mexican Police or even Interpol. Crazy sounding I know but very true.

So my gut based on probabilities knowing this industry well is all the allegedly "stolen cars" end up being ones with botched paperwork. I've been there myself honestly. I've had warrants served, records seized and a few arrests--actually 122 times so far--no convictions--for missing a paperwork technicality. All of this with an office staff of just under 100 people and professional managers etc. I even have my own computer software to track the cars. It's just so easy to overlook something.

A much smaller company, family run, the paperwork is a nightmare. You think your doing things correctly and still get bitten in the butt. Also, an owner / operator has a 1,000 hats to wear so a missing a form can kill you. A car you processed years prior can come back and bite you.

In short....the tow guy isn't really stealing cars like a chop-shop. He's sloppy and missed some paperwork. Almost every single towing company doing recovery, Repo or impounds has a couple or few arrests.



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How many times out of the 122 arrests splashed on the news? Also, could it be that they are using this arrest to put pressure on the owner for other suspected illegalities? Just thinking out loud. Moo

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[PokeyMeansBusiness]

Granted it didn't work with Ross Harris, or those cases where a newlywed "falls" off a cliff, but it seems like having a murder deemed an "accident" would be a desirable outcome for the perpetrator.

An accident would be desirable, but very rarely do convictions occur without a body. When push comes to shove, you would rather no body be found than an accident.

 

[heartgoesout]

They don't issue search warrants for improper paperwork.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

Sure. Most impound operations like his are local. He's probably not very sophisticated in his operation.

I will be shocked if there is any connection.

Obviously, all of this is speculation.

Knowing the industry I highly doubt he is stealing cars in the way people reading this think of stealing. I'm confidant the "stolen cars" on his lot will be paperwork issues with impounded, repoed and towed cars.

The average person has no idea the mountain of paperwork one car can generate and the agencies involved. It's easy to tow a car for parking in a fire lane and end up having to file reams of paperwork with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Mexican Police or even Interpol. Crazy sounding I know but very true.

So my gut based on probabilities knowing this industry well is all the allegedly "stolen cars" end up being ones with botched paperwork. I've been there myself honestly. I've had warrants served, records seized and a few arrests--actually 122 times so far--no convictions--for missing a paperwork technicality. All of this with an office staff of just under 100 people and professional managers etc. I even have my own computer software to track the cars. It's just so easy to overlook something.

A much smaller company, family run, the paperwork is a nightmare. You think your doing things correctly and still get bitten in the butt. Also, an owner / operator has a 1,000 hats to wear so a missing a form can kill you. A car you processed years prior can come back and bite you.

In short....the tow guy isn't really stealing cars like a chop-shop. He's sloppy and missed some paperwork. Almost every single towing company doing recovery, Repo or impounds has a couple or few arrests.



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Thanks for that explanation.


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[Deleted member 155000]

The SUV may have been stolen in 2015 and kept in a tow lot or such and only recently used in a crime. When pulled from the river it did not look like it had been under water for over a year.

JMO

Or even if it was dumped there in 2015, and another car was dumped there in 2017, it could suggest a pattern...that the same person occasionally disposed of cars this way.

I don't think that's the most likely explanation though. But I will be curious to see if police turn up anything besides sloppy paperwork at this tow lot...


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[Capstan07]

How many times out of the 122 arrests splashed on the news? Also, could it be that they are using this arrest to put pressure on the owner for other suspected illegalities? Just thinking out loud. Moo

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Good point. My first. Didn't make the paper. My 121 charges that came all at once...paper...news...radio...everywhere.

And just to clarify because I didn't mean to make myself sound like a *******.....that's since 1981.....had 1 arrest when I was early 20s and brand new to the business. I was just a stupid kid and made paperwork mistake. The charges dropped totally and I paid a small fine. Can't even remember the amount. Was like a speeding ticket amount. The other arrest was 6-7 years ago for 121 counts so I call it 122 arrests. Again charges dropped and my company paid a $15,000 fine. So I have a clean record. No convictions of anything and never pled to anything.

My wife read what I posted and it didn't sound like I intended. Lack of sleep.

I was trying to say you don't have to be a ******* to make s paperwork mistake and getting you in trouble in this business.

121 counts...in the state I am in--at my operation in the city that is the state capital--by law you can't tow to your yard a repo or impound more than 10 miles from where you tow it from. It's based on city population. In rural areas you can tow further.

We had just opened a location in the capital and the 121 cars were towed between 11-15 miles from where taken. When we opened the computer gps that is the "leash" on the trucks to keep the drivers in the legal area was set to 15 miles. Another location we operated in was 15miles and the leash just never got changed to 10 miles for this location. Well we towed 121 cars in a single day during a college football gam and one happened to be a state congressman. Next thing that happens is in plastered on the news and I got 121 counts. Happens to be a felony in my state btw. They were interviewing people that knew me and saying ...he's a nice guy can't believe he would steal cars blah blah. People hear "steal / stolen cars" and they instantly think nefarious things.

I turned myself in both times and was processed and immediately released on a prearranged bond and since they were mistakes and I had no criminal intent...legally no Mens Rea....the charges were dropped and I paid a fine. Never even went to trial. Never pled. Just charges dropped and paid a fine.




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[Capstan07]

They don't issue search warrants for improper paperwork.

In my state YES THEY DO!!!!


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[Capstan07]

In my state YES THEY DO!!!!


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How does LE know if you just make a paperwork mistake or ARE doing nefarious things or running a chop shop? They need your records. To get your records they need a warrant and need to be inside your impound yard and office. If they ask you politely to hand them over most people are not going to give the executioner the bullets--myself included-- and by asking that's a huge tip off and gives you time to move and destroy evidence if you are dirty.

So warrants it is. We see this even with airlines and maintenance paperwork....bus companies....semi and trucking companies....etc.

Also every state is different and has different levels of regulation and different penalties for their state. Different states use different agencies to regulate this industry too. Some states it's Dept of Professional Regulation. Some dept of agriculture. Mine happens to be by the state Department of Transportation.

In my State pretty much everything involving this industry is a third degree felony. It's tightly regulated.

Now if it's an honest mistake and not a pattern and truly you had no intent..mens rea...a criminal act must have a criminal intention....charges are usually dropped and a fine usually can be negotiated.

**most interesting to me in supposedly a long time ago the State of Alaska used the Dept that regulated mines to regulate tow trucks. This is perhaps urban legend but it's always joked about at industry trade shows as fact. Just seems funny. Same as using dep of agriculture. Except in farming states dept of ag controls everything pretty much even Carnival ride safety and inspections in some. OT -- sorry.


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[kstephens98]

Good point. My first. Didn't make the paper. My 121 charges that came all at once...paper...news...radio...everywhere.

And just to clarify because I didn't mean to make myself sound like a *******.....that's since 1981.....had 1 arrest when I was early 20s and brand new to the business. I was just a stupid kid and made paperwork mistake. The charges dropped totally and I paid a small fine. Can't even remember the amount. Was like a speeding ticket amount. The other arrest was 6-7 years ago for 121 counts so I call it 122 arrests. Again charges dropped and my company paid a $15,000 fine. So I have a clean record. No convictions of anything and never pled to anything.

My wife read what I posted and it didn't sound like I intended. Lack of sleep.

I was trying to say you don't have to be a ******* to make s paperwork mistake and getting you in trouble in this business.

121 counts...in the state I am in--at my operation in the city that is the state capital--by law you can't tow to your yard a repo or impound more than 10 miles from where you tow it from. It's based on city population. In rural areas you can tow further.

We had just opened a location in the capital and the 121 cars were towed between 11-15 miles from where taken. When we opened the computer gps that is the "leash" on the trucks to keep the drivers in the legal area was set to 15 miles. Another location we operated in was 15miles and the leash just never got changed to 10 miles for this location. Well we towed 121 cars in a single day during a college football gam and one happened to be a state congressman. Next thing that happens is in plastered on the news and I got 121 counts. Happens to be a felony in my state btw. They were interviewing people that knew me and saying ...he's a nice guy can't believe he would steal cars blah blah. People hear "steal / stolen cars" and they instantly think nefarious things.

I turned myself in both times and was processed and immediately released on a prearranged bond and since they were mistakes and I had no criminal intent...legally no Mens Rea....the charges were dropped and I paid a fine. Never even went to trial. Never pled. Just charges dropped and paid a fine.




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Thanks. I'm definitely not suggesting you aren't on the up and up. From your posts, to me, you are very knowledgeable and just trying to add to the discussion with your wealth of knowledge in this particular area. As far as this other Lot owner goes, I have no idea if he is or is not involved in Toni's death. What I am trying to determine is if there may be more reasons to suspect if he did. From what you've described, getting arrested for having automobiles in your impound lot that have been reported stolen is not in and of itself particularly unusual. So I was wondering if the circumstances surrounding the arrest could be indicative of something more. I'm understanding now, with your response, that the media coverage of the arrest is not necessarily out of the ordinary either. Another line of questions I have for you about your past experience is - where you cooperative? This lot owner seems to have denied the police access to his lot initially and it seems they (the police) then came in with a pretty heavy team to conduct a search. I'm speculating that in your case, you cooperated fully.

 

[Capstan07]

Thanks. I'm definitely not suggesting you aren't on the up and up. From your posts, to me, you are very knowledgeable and just trying to add to the discussion with your wealth of knowledge in this particular area. As far as this other Lot owner goes, I have no idea if he is or is not involved in Toni's death. What I am trying to determine is if there may be more reasons to suspect if he did. From what you've described, getting arrested for having automobiles in your impound lot that have been reported stolen is not in and of itself particularly unusual. So I was wondering if the circumstances surrounding the arrest could be indicative of something more. I'm understanding now, with your response, that the media coverage of the arrest is not necessarily out of the ordinary either. Another line of questions I have for you about your past experience is - where you cooperative? This lot owner seems to have denied the police access to his lot initially and it seems they (the police) then came in with a pretty heavy team to conduct a search. I'm speculating that in your case, you cooperated fully.

Yes absolutely cooperative. Not cooperating does add a layer of suspicion. It interesting bc of the association between JW / DV and TA and the cast of people here.


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