Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #7

[heartgoesout]

I haven't seen bickering. I've seen honest discussions of theories. I've seen logical assumptions debated. I've seen logical debunking of speculations that can't stand up to the facts and common sense.

I haven't seen one-up-man-ship. I haven't seen nastiness.

I speak straightforward but not insultingly. I don't sugarcoat or post a bunch of JMHO MOO IMHO and all that stuff. Maybe I'm part of the perceived problem? I don't know.

People today are way too sensitive. I see this with my employees at my offices--especially younger employees.


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I was not speaking of you. Maybe you missed some deleted posts.

 

[KMD_KC]

I was not speaking of you. Maybe you missed some deleted posts.

I must have missed the deleted posts too... darn.

 

[Capstan07]

I was not speaking of you. Maybe you missed some deleted posts.

I didn't take it that way. I'm pretty tough anyways. I was being rhetorical.


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[KMD_KC]

Not rumor. TA has a verified account on Seeking Arrangements under her stage name of Vanity Rayne. Perhaps the definition of a call girl depends on one's perspective but having an active account on Seeking Arrangements tends to be a confirmation for me.

I am on record many times stating my opinion on TA being. A good person from what we know and guilty of having made some bad decisions--something we all have done. Or at least I have. Especially at her age.


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I am aware of that but just because she made an account doesn't mean she actually me up with people. I'm just not going to jump to conclusions. Hard in this case because there is so little actual facts to work with.

 

[BaileyC]

I don't think it is crazy thinking at all.

My proposed question is this.
What crosses off the theory that police were involved?

I don't have enough facts to either cross the Police off or blame them. If one of the Officers or both of the Officers are involved with Toni being in the river, I say they'll be caught and pay the price. I would think if this is foul play LE has a lot of circumstantial evidence and are just waiting on the autopsy before making an arrest or arrests. If this was an accident, hopefully the Police will give us enough facts that an accident will make perfect sense. Possibly they've discovered Toni didn't go off of the ramp into the water but entered the water somewhere else.

When I say I think it's crazy to think the Police Officer would rape and kill Toni, yes it is possible but it's at the bottom of my list. Someone we never talk about is the boyfriend. many have worked hard to point us toward the Police, others but not the boyfriend. I don't know enough to suspect the boyfriend other than it's a usual for someone close to the victim to be the killer. What I find suspicious is how he just vanished, has others speaking for him and pointing fingers at the Police.

 

[Jerrod]

I would think Toni's boyfriend has a very good idea of why Toni was in Parkville. I don't know if he has told LE, friends, his Father etc. It's been pretty much confirmed she was suppose to buy drugs that morning. Did she drive to Parkville for a drug buy or to make money from having sex? If Toni had a date or was buying drugs it seems to me it would be at a house and not in the park. Did she try and cut through the park to get to a house? The couple that found Toni's car gave reasons they felt the Police missed the car. The longer the car is in the water the harder it is for sonar to detect it. The autopsy may reveal some kind of physical problem Toni had that would cause her to have a heart attack from the temp of the river. Maybe a heart problem she did not know about. Also the autopsy will tell us how long Toni had been in the river.

Actually, Bailey, the opposite is true, according to the dive team:

"At the same time, she (Tammy) said she understands why an earlier search — and KCPD reportedly used sonar detection to search the same area of the river — would have missed the vehicle.

“When the car first goes into the water, it’s so slick and shiny that our sonar bounces off it –it barely gives us a flash,” Tammy said. The image received won’t resemble a car.

The Watters also noticed another vehicle in the water, which Tammy said was a Lincoln Navigator. That car, she said, had clearly been in the river for quite a while. “The longer it’s in there, the more detail you get."

 

[BaileyC]

The explanation why LE didn't originally find her car using sonar was totally bogus. The excuse stated was the car in the water initially was too slippery not having silt built up on it.

Quick. Someone tell the Navy to start waxing our subs.


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If I'm remembering correctly it wasn't about the car being slippery. It was about the sonar reflecting off of the car. The shininess of the car being taken away by the dirt etc. collecting on the car from the current of the river.

 

[AceDetective]

The guy who found that car stated that he had better equipment and more experience.

 

[AceDetective]

One thing that confuses me about websleuths is that we are officially not allowed to discuss rumors, yet they get discussed all the time... anyway...

Toni was NOT a call girl.

1. Her seeking arrangement profile hadn't been touched in 4 months.
2. She was never offering sex.
3. A week into this case I checked all escort websites for the area. No ad from Toni.
4. A tweet I'll dig up shortly.

 

[BaileyC]

One thing that confuses me about websleuths is that we are officially not allowed to discuss rumors, yet they get discussed all the time... anyway...

Toni was NOT a call girl.

1. Her seeking arrangement profile hadn't been touched in 4 months.
2. She was never offering sex.
3. A week into this case I checked all escort websites for the area. No ad from Toni.
4. A tweet I'll dig up shortly.

What you've posted does not prove to me Toni was not a call girl. I have reason to believe she was but I can't prove she was. Guess you would have to have had sex with her, have pictures, a taped recording etc to prove this. How would you prove it?

 

[KMD_KC]

One thing that confuses me about websleuths is that we are officially not allowed to discuss rumors, yet they get discussed all the time... anyway...

Toni was NOT a call girl.

1. Her seeking arrangement profile hadn't been touched in 4 months.
2. She was never offering sex.
3. A week into this case I checked all escort websites for the area. No ad from Toni.
4. A tweet I'll dig up shortly.

Exactly why I was trying to shut that down as rumor. Thanks for the follow up and extra info on it.

 

[BaileyC]

If we can't discuss rumor and that would be speculation, then there is nothing to discuss about this case. So few facts it would be a few posts.

 

[BaileyC]

In fact rumor does have more of a chance of being the truth than speculation does.

 

[AceDetective]

Well, this tweet doesn't shut the door quite as firmly as I thought it did... oh well...

[video=twitter;817150111834836993]https://twitter.com/Tonianderson2/status/817150111834836993[/video]

 

[AceDetective]

What you've posted does not prove to me Toni was not a call girl. I have reason to believe she was but I can't prove she was. Guess you would have to have had sex with her, have pictures, a taped recording etc to prove this. How would you prove it?

By showing me one place, anywhere, where Toni offered sex for money or spoke of having done so.

 

[BaileyC]

By showing me one place, anywhere, where Toni offered sex for money or spoke of having done so.

It's possible she kept this secret, she could have had her own clientele and it came to a time she didn't need to advertise. She was an exotic dancer, had a profile for seeking arrangements and also a sex cam profile. I'll quit talking about this. People are judgmental or they wouldn't care if the obvious was being said. I already know her parents and friends didn't even want it known she danced. I figure the fact the parents and family don't want this out about Toni could be why they were so quick to want this to be an accident. If I can't post what I feel is the truth and important to this case then I'll just read all of the speculation.

 

[AceDetective]

The police have stated they could find no reason for Toni to be in Parkville. Either she was really good at keeping secrets, or they are lying to protect her reputation.

At the time Toni went missing:
She was not a drug dealer.
She was not a call girl.

The police would know.

All in my opinion, of course.

 

[AceDetective]

That's a good point, actually. The police explicitly stated that they could find no reason for Toni to be in Parkville. So either they were lying, or they didn't know she was playing Pokemon Go, if that turns out to be the case.

If that does turn out to be the case, it will be pretty amazing that they overlooked it. I wonder if they might find that embarrassing and not release the info? It will be national news, so potentially. But I expect them to do the right thing. It seems to me to be the sort of thing that they should tell the Andersons as soon as they know.

 

[BaileyC]

That's a good point, actually. The police explicitly stated that they could find no reason for Toni to be in Parkville. So either they were lying, or they didn't know she was playing Pokemon Go, if that turns out to be the case.

If that does turn out to be the case, it will be pretty amazing that they overlooked it. I wonder if they might find that embarrassing and not release the info? It will be national news, so potentially. But I expect them to do the right thing. It seems to me to be the sort of thing that they should tell the Andersons as soon as they know.

Did we hear from LE after the icloud was investigated? I know at one time they said they didn't know why Toni would be in the area of Parkville, I think that would have been Caldwell in the last interview with the parents and two friends. I don't even know if LE is telling us the truth or all they know, do you?

 

[Capstan07]

If I'm remembering correctly it wasn't about the car being slippery. It was about the sonar reflecting off of the car. The shininess of the car being taken away by the dirt etc. collecting on the car from the current of the river.

Shinniness = slippery.

I agree w the better equipment part. He was trying not to throw LE under the bus.


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