GUILTY MO - Tyler Dasher, 1, Affton, 15 Nov 2011 - #2

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sherbetjello said:
Is there a heartbreak emotion on this site/forum? I am really, desperately, in need of one.

Horrible.

*tears*
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Maybe there should be.

When I first read about what Tyler's "mother" said happened I seriously wondered if he might have still been alive when she put him there. I just didn't want to say it.

Please accept a :hug: from someone who knows how you feel Sherbetjello. I know it doesn't really help but what else can we do except support one another and most of all Tyler and the ones who love him?

Sorry I didn't double quote properly for some reason.

K.
 
The only thing in the paper this morning was a column by Bill McClellan. Bill is more of an opinion columnist, rather than reporting on news stories. At any rate his column today is about slain child cases, specifically comparing Shelby Dasher to another mother who murdered her child years ago, confessed and ended up on probation! This infuriates me!!! How on earth can a judge even think about throwing out a sentence of murder and putting a child killer on probation?!? The terms included requiring this "mother" to undergo a tubal ligation, but still... I am sick! I will now be really following every judge whom I have the ability to elect/re-elect and make sure they are not allowing child killers off with a slap on the wrist.

"I eventually wrote a column about the case. The column began like this: "Audrey Tucker, who has an IQ of 74, beat her 10-month-old daughter to death because the baby would not stop crying. Audrey used her hands, and then she grabbed for whatever was handy, which in this instance was a microphone that attached to a portable tape recorder."
By the time I wrote that column, the case had been in the news again — a slightly longer story but also on an inside page. The new development was this: Tucker was put on probation.

Actually, she had been sentenced to 20 years, but she had been sentenced under the so-called 'shock statute," a provision that stipulates that the sentence will be reviewed in 120 days, at which time the judge can consider probation."


Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...93e-511c-ac10-2ad00bb11e8a.html#ixzz1e4O0dQUw
 
Oh thank goodness! They have since revised the "shock statute" in MO, and that can no longer be used in second-degree murder cases...

"8. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, probation may not be granted pursuant to this section to offenders who have been convicted of murder in the second degree pursuant to section 565.021; forcible rape pursuant to section 566.030; forcible sodomy pursuant to section 566.060; statutory rape in the first degree pursuant to section 566.032; statutory sodomy in the first degree pursuant to section 566.062; child molestation in the first degree pursuant to section 566.067 when classified as a class A felony; abuse of a child pursuant to section 568.060 when classified as a class A felony; an offender who has been found to be a predatory sexual offender pursuant to section 558.018; or any offense in which there exists a statutory prohibition against either probation or parole."

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5590000115.htm
 
wow. I wonder if they went so easy on her because her IQ is borderline for mental retardation? Though, I'd wanna know if that was part of her defense and if the test was taken post-charges, because it's not like she couldn't throw it.

Either way, probation is ridiculous response. Ridiculous.
 
FrayedKnot said:
Hello, I am a long time lurker, first time poster and I just had to share my own experience with 'attachment' parenting.

I wasn't subscribing to any particular parenting 'method' when my daughter was a baby (she is now 10), but she was held and spoken to constantly, never made to 'cry it out', and she was/is a happy, confident toddler/child. I actually used to worry a bit that she never had separation anxiety and seemed to never have met a stranger (yipes!:loveyou:). People used to/still comment on how happy and outgoing she was/is!

I am not saying that every child who clings or has separation issues is unloved or mistreated-PLEASE don't anyone think that!-but so many of these 'disposable' children have been described in this way and it grieves me to think of a little one trying so hard to 'earn' a parent's love. My heart breaks into pieces for these unloved, unwanted babies.

Thanks for letting me share.
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:wagon::welcome::wagon:

Hello, and Welcome !
 
sherbetjello said:
Is there a heartbreak emotion on this site/forum? I am really, desperately, in need of one.

Horrible.

*tears*
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Here are two... Maybe admin/mods can add them to our database. I wish we had no need for them, kwim? :(




 
snipped from : http://www.kmov.com/news/local/St-L...h-calls-after-Nancy-Grace-show-134109118.html


KMOV.com) -- St. Louis County Dispatch workers were inundated with calls after Nancy Grace gave out the department's phone number on her show.

...

The callers were told to contact the prosecutor's office in reference to the charges against Dasher.


I watched NG's show last night ... and IMO ... NG was "ON A TEAR" :waitasec: more so than usual !

However ... I am very happy that NG did cover this show -- even though she covered it 2 days after it happened ...

Hopefully ... there will be JUSTICE for TYLER !

MOO ...
 
dog.gone.cute said:
snipped from : http://www.kmov.com/news/local/St-L...h-calls-after-Nancy-Grace-show-134109118.html


KMOV.com) -- St. Louis County Dispatch workers were inundated with calls after Nancy Grace gave out the department's phone number on her show.

...

The callers were told to contact the prosecutor's office in reference to the charges against Dasher.


I watched NG's show last night ... and IMO ... NG was "ON A TEAR" :waitasec: more so than usual !

However ... I am very happy that NG did cover this show -- even though she covered it 2 days after it happened ...

Hopefully ... there will be JUSTICE for TYLER !

MOO ...
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So, why did she want people to call dispatch? :waitasec:
 
Amster said:
So, why did she want people to call dispatch? :waitasec:
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From what I remember -- NG asked Liz to get the number -- I will have to re-watch the video, and that is the number Liz gave to NG :


snipped from : http://www.kmov.com/news/local/St-L...h-calls-after-Nancy-Grace-show-134109118.html

The number given out on the Nancy Grace show was, in fact, the number for the St. Louis County Dispatch line. At this time it is unknown if the number that aired on Grace's show was an error or if Grace intentionally aired the number in hopes her fans would vent their frustrations with the county.



MOO ... NG was ON A TEAR last night ... she even disagreed with Marc Klaas about his comment regarding Shelby Dasher -- which is UNUSUAL for NG to disagree with Mr. Klaas -- and I FELT SO SORRY FOR MR. KLAAS !

IMO ... NG was RUDE to everyone last night ... :waitasec: -- IMO, more so than usual -- if that is possible !

However, I do understand the OUTRAGE and SD should have the "book thrown at her" for what she did Tyler !

MOO ...
 
Tyler Dasher: Nancy 11/17/11 - YouTube

At appx 24:15 :

Nancy Grace asks "Liz" to get the number for the:

(1) St. Louis County Police Department

(2) County Prosecutor's Office

NG did NOT agree with the 2nd Degree Murder Charge ... and wanted people to call in to these offices



At appx 29:37:

St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney (314) 615-2600

St. Louis County Police Department (314) 889-2341



This is from NG's Show 11-17-11.
 
Abby Normal said:
wow. I wonder if they went so easy on her because her IQ is borderline for mental retardation? Though, I'd wanna know if that was part of her defense and if the test was taken post-charges, because it's not like she couldn't throw it.

Either way, probation is ridiculous response. Ridiculous.
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Sorry I haven't read the whole thread. Does she have a low IQ?..or are we just speculating. I did wonder this about her when the first videos were released...


EDIT...Sorry just read further back..I see this is a different case oopps. I do still wonder abouts SD's IQ though.
 
tink92 said:
Sorry I haven't read the whole thread. Does she have a low IQ?..or are we just speculating. I did wonder this about her when the first videos were released...


EDIT...Sorry just read further back..I see this is a different case oopps. I do still wonder abouts SD's IQ though.
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Sorry, I should have quoted.
 
Abby Normal said:
I agree 100% about things we can do as a society, and as parents ourselves. It has to be talked about from an early enough age to catch them before irresponsible sex and whimsical ideas are already happening too, when you still have a pretty good and open communication. None of my kids can yet physically get pg, and the older ones already understand what is involved in mothering, and that your teen days are over the minute you decide to become a parent. If you're not comfortable with that, we are lucky to have a lot of open adoption families in our life as an example of options. They have seen these teen moms get to go on to be teens, while still getting to spend holidays and college breaks visiting and knowing their child.

My family isn't culturally American either, nor is my husband's. AP, generally speaking, is the norm in our familial circles. I'd go so far as to say it's more of a community attachment practice. I remember when I was reading Ainsworth and similar attachment theorists, how much that just hit me as just common sense. Like you said, mainstream parenting or any semi-normal functioning parenting would have been beautiful for this sweet boy, anything but the horror he was faced with.
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Off topic (bolded by me respectfully) but on the topic of one of the ways to prevent this type of case we are reading here.

IMHO a great many parents are communicating and that's fine and dandy. Communication is key. 100%. But more importantly---instead of talking until they are blue in the face about abstinence (which is fine by me) make sure to back that up with birth control. Because, in my experience, and only my experience (as a teen and as a Mother of 5 that are still or were teens at one time)----

arguing with teenage hormones is like charging windmills or standing in the corner tell the paint not to dry---don't you dare dry----yada yada.

It's not giving them permission to have sex to put them on BC it's giving them an opportunity to be a human (make a mistake if that is how the family values of that family define premarital sex) and not paying for it for the rest of their life---either by raising a child that they are ill equipped to raise or by ending up with a child that suffered and is deceased like Tyler.

I loved my kids too much to do that to them. (Yes I was a teenage Mom, this isn't about teenage Moms this is about parents that are not ready or shouldn't have kids period). JMHO

Getting off my soapbox now ----Sorry!
 
I honestly don't understand how so many parents can harbor the illusion that they can control their child's behavior by NOT facing issues head-on. Why not be honest with kids, sit them down and say something like "I'd like to discuss with you the consequences of sex. Let's talk about some behaviors and their consequences." Lay it all out, tell them what you want from them and why, but also let them know that you are always available to them if they decide to choose a different road. Do some people honestly believe that talking honestly about the consequencees of sexual activity with their children is going to give them ideas that they wouldn't think of on their own? I cannot imagine there is a kid in the world who had decided against early sexual activity but changed their mind after his parents put the idea into his head. Why are parents so afraid of being honest with their children? I don't get that.
 
For some reason I watched NG last night. She was on a "tear." She not only disagreed with Marc Klass but her psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall was spot on. I usually take her comments with a grain of sand but last night it made me sit up and take notice. It sounds worse typed out than said quickly on tv, but to me it rings true. Just my opinion.

"BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: I never disagree with Marc Klaas, but I think that what we`re seeing is Mommy is just not as highly organized a sociopath as Casey Anthony was, so she buckled and caved under the police investigation.

I know why she took that nap. She took that nap because she was relieved her child was gone. And I don`t think she beat the child because the child was crying. She beat him because she wanted him dead."

And later:


"BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": You know, Nancy --

GRACE: That nobody even knew as mommy in the crowd because she`s smiling and happy?

MARSHALL: I think she was relieved the baby was gone.

Nancy, what we know about homicide and infanticide is the perpetrator has tremendous relief after the commission of the crime. That relief can last from six months to three years. I think what happened is she has a personality disorder, severe. She was out the night before with a bunch of boys.

I think what happened, she wanted to have sex with someone, spend the night with someone. She had a crush on somebody. She wanted that little boy out of the way so that she could have a young woman`s life.

It`s the Casey Anthony syndrome, isn`t it? It`s the same thing we saw out on the stripper pole dancing, partying, and then poof, the child is gone. This thing about oh, he was crying so I had to beat him, she made that up after the fact. The fact is, this was a cruel, sustained attack. There was no soft kill. She didn`t poison him, she didn`t put a pillow over his face. What we see some mothers do. She chose the most cruel and heinous way to do this."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/17/ng.01.html




 
Thundar said:
For some reason I watched NG last night. She was on a "tear." She not only disagreed with Marc Klass but her psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall was spot on. I usually take her comments with a grain of sand but last night it made me sit up and take notice. It sounds worse typed out than said quickly on tv, but to me it rings true. Just my opinion.

"BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: I never disagree with Marc Klaas, but I think that what we`re seeing is Mommy is just not as highly organized a sociopath as Casey Anthony was, so she buckled and caved under the police investigation.

I know why she took that nap. She took that nap because she was relieved her child was gone. And I don`t think she beat the child because the child was crying. She beat him because she wanted him dead."

And later:


"BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": You know, Nancy --

GRACE: That nobody even knew as mommy in the crowd because she`s smiling and happy?

MARSHALL: I think she was relieved the baby was gone.

Nancy, what we know about homicide and infanticide is the perpetrator has tremendous relief after the commission of the crime. That relief can last from six months to three years. I think what happened is she has a personality disorder, severe. She was out the night before with a bunch of boys.

I think what happened, she wanted to have sex with someone, spend the night with someone. She had a crush on somebody. She wanted that little boy out of the way so that she could have a young woman`s life.

It`s the Casey Anthony syndrome, isn`t it? It`s the same thing we saw out on the stripper pole dancing, partying, and then poof, the child is gone. This thing about oh, he was crying so I had to beat him, she made that up after the fact. The fact is, this was a cruel, sustained attack. There was no soft kill. She didn`t poison him, she didn`t put a pillow over his face. What we see some mothers do. She chose the most cruel and heinous way to do this."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/17/ng.01.html
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I watched NG online last night. My brain doesn't want to believe this, but I know she's probably right. Except that I think little Tyler probably WAS crying. I doubt she came home and killed him as he slept. He probably woke her up because he needed to eat and be changed.

I don't know what it is with babies, thinking they need to eat on a daily basis and expecting to not sit in their own waste for 17 hours at a time. And they're always going around expecting their parents to love them. If they would stop being so gosh darn needy, more of them might live into adulthood.

Trying to interject a little humor, but it was a big ole FAIL because there is nothing remotely funny about this. My emotions keep swinging from anger to sorrow and back. If Shelby doesn't end up doing substantial prison time, I don't know if I'm going to be able to keep coming to this site. It's just so emotionally draining to mourn all of these poor dead and abused babies.
 
Thundar said:
For some reason I watched NG last night. She was on a "tear." She not only disagreed with Marc Klass but her psychoanalyst Bethany Marshall was spot on. I usually take her comments with a grain of sand but last night it made me sit up and take notice. It sounds worse typed out than said quickly on tv, but to me it rings true. Just my opinion.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/17/ng.01.html[/I]
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Snipped & BBM : I agree ...

I was "surprised" how "spot on" Dr. Bethany was ...

BUT ... I felt so sorry for Mr. Klaas ! IMO, the "manner" in which NG responded to his comment was just "uncalled for" ...

It's okay to disagree, BUT ... NG was "too rough" IMO -- with everyone ...

MOO ...
 
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