Motive

[fuzzykpd]

I think she wanted to go out and be with her boyfriend, but she was furious with her mother, so she couldn't ask her mom to babysit, so she knocked Caylee out. She put her in the trunk to "sleep", put tape over her mouth in case she woke up and started making noise. But I think she left the rag in the trunk. The heat, the humidity, the confined space, that soaked rag... too much and it took Caylee's life. When Casey realized what happened, she didn't know what to do, so she drove around with her in the trunk for a few days. She later then left her in that black bag by the elementary school.

She did want to punish her mother. She did feel like Caylee was the darling of the family. She was jealous of her own daughter. I also think that she wanted Caylee out of her life so that she could try to pursue a future with Tony. He had made mention that 1. he might move away and 2. he wanted all sons because of what he had witnessed with the girls in his family. Remember Susan Smith? She thought that she could eliminate her children, get loads of sympathy, and still get her guy. I wonder how much of that factors into Casey's situation.

Right on the money with inclusion of "I must be a spiteful ". it took 45 seconds to drive to the dump site with lights off and another minute or two in and out to dump the bag in the woods she was familiar with. She could drive off in the dark, without being seen, in a total of four min min or less.

 

[kline]

I use to think she "snapped" I don't believe that anymore, I think she was a selfish monster that just decided to get rid of Caylee like you decide a pet no longer fits into your life, the difference is even for a pet you find a loving home she makes me sick

I think that says it perfectly.I agree 100%

 

[kline]

We can only guess at what made "kill Caylee" ever enter her mind. Even if she were to explain it, we could not comprehend it.

Years ago a young newlywed friend of ours killed his bride of 3 weeks, then himself. College sweethearts, good families, BIG incomes, the love of each other's lives, no drugs, no ex's, no kids, social drinkers. Poof. Gone.

No one has ever been able to come up with a reason, a catalyst, a rumor, nothing. We are stunned.

Like I said, we may never know.

We never will know.
Casey isnt going to tell us.
Im looking forward to the trial to find out what all LE has but I expect no big revelation from Casey.
She's not going to break down on the stand and clear it all up for us.
She's going to lie till the end regardless of what happens.

 

[passionflower]

hate and jealous! KC NEVER wanted Caylee, CA did.........CA had another princess forcing KC into being an adult.........KC saw Caylee like a doll,play dress up and throw out......like a pup is cute and a dog needs attention..........got on Kc nerves..........
I read where allot of toddlers age 2-4 are murdered because they need more attention.........aka terrible 2's..........

 

[Andy H.]

We never will know.
Casey isnt going to tell us.
Im looking forward to the trial to find out what all LE has but I expect no big revelation from Casey.
She's not going to break down on the stand and clear it all up for us.
She's going to lie till the end regardless of what happens.

I agree with you and even if we had her on video committing the crime, she would still say she didn't do it. She wants to make certain her mother is given any measure of doubt to hang onto but not for Cindy's sake--for dear Casey's sake.

 

[rcvela001]

I just had an ah-ha moment,

a theory, to share with you guys.
I didn't see it posted any where, although I didn't spend all day searching.
so if its already been discussed, I sincerly apologize,

anyway -if you frequent the Dreamin Deamon site, you have probably read about moms selling there little girls to grown men for sex.
I think Casey would sell her daughter for some extra cash.
I think maybe she did this and it went bad. some how the dude killed Caylee and the situation was to telling for Casey to just call the police.
it could have happened in Cindys house, ie - the evidence leaking to the house.

or she sold Caylee, the dude said I take her and bring her back when I am done. but never came back. - Casey saying "honestly, I don't know where she is" - hence also the fear that something bad could happen to Caylee if the went to authorities.

Thoughts?

 

[rosepetal1065]

She killed her for freedom, which is pretty dumb considering.
That the majority of people who kill, end up in PRISON.
But maybe she wasn't thinking that far ahead. The plan was flawed. big time

 

[gunther]

In my opinion, Casey was under a lot of emotional strain. Her mindset was influenced by movies and books that explored the "dark" side of humanity. Her main plan of snagging a man to take care of her was short circuited by getting kicked out of the house.
Walking on the edge because of the uncertainty of her situation, she has to deal with a squaling kid that wants to go back to the comfort of the only house she knew and Nan's arms, and she snapped.

 

[boogiebear]

This is the house theory in my home.
KC is mentally deficient . She cares about no one but herself. That does not mean she is crazy. She just cares about how she feels, lives, wants, breaths, and will use anyone without any thought to how it hurts them. The sad part is, that people around her will assume and "give" her emotions she does not have on her own, thus masking this condition.
The 15 of June, after coming back from seeing Grandpa, CA confronts KC about how much she stole from the Grandparents. She loses it enough to actually put her hands around KC's neck. (The neighbors heard the fight, etc) KC is backed in the corner, furious that CA is threatening to take Caylee, CA thinks more of Caylee then her, she was forced to keep Caylee by CA, she cannot party or live the life of a carefree FL girl, and she had been physically touched by CA. She had looked up months before how to get rid of a child, even going on missing kids websites, how to make drugs, how to break a neck.(She even went to California escort sites to see how easy it would be to start her own business out there, and make some easy money.) She may not have known at that point if she wanted to kill her parents to get everything to live her party life, but she decided to kill Caylee because she had destroyed her life, stole her Mother's love, and it would hurt CA the most. She could use it to her advantage somehow, because she has always lied her way to a better place. Who would take her to jail for theft or forgery if her poor child was missing?
Well you get the idea. It did not work out so well for her. Things kept falling apart.

 

[natsound]

Overriding motive was, her mom was making moves to get custody of Caylee. KC thought, I don't want her, but you aren't gonna have her either.

Underlying motive was jealousy. With the little one gone, she could have her parents' attention back. This was obvious in the jail conversations.

Third motive was that Caylee stifled her social life... hence "Bella Vida" tattoo.

 

[zoey]

Caylee was becoming more of a burden...she was more capable of talking--ca was demanding more of kc for her mommy time....there was a lot of friction between ca & kc over how Caylee felt for each of them...think ca rubbed it in kcs face that she was the favorite...they each played into each others weaknesses....etc....pick one any one---I'm sure there are more---

I don't believe or well never believe that Caylee was sold for money when she didn't even have to leave her house to find it---Caylee was a money machine in the house.....

 

[debbie0604]

I agree and since this personality disorder has sexual abuse in its background, I have to wonder if she was not sexually abused as she has claimed by her brother. He had to be subpoenaed for his DNA. This family is dysfunctional IMO.

 

[Devon]

What IF KC knew that she couldn't support Caylee on her own even if she did break free from her over-powering and ever critical mother (no job/no qualifications/no savings/no home) and that even if she did try, CA would seek them out and try for custody, but at the same time did not want Caylee to be raised by CA because of her own experiences and what it had done to her.

I can't help feeling that there is something seriously amiss with the family dynamics in this case and that KC has suffered emotionally as a result. Also there is a level of contradiction between the dominant image we have been presented with of KC as a cold, unconnected and resentful mother, and the pictures of Caylee and KC together, the testimony of many her friends that she was a good and loving mother and her own comments to some of them, e.g. to AR that Caylee 'came first' and to another male friend (can't remember which one) that she was looking for an apartment just for her and Caylee.

There have been many cases where a parent has killed their child because they believed it to be somehow 'best' for them, often because they perceive the world as an evil and cruel place and don't want their child to have to suffer in it. Many people are assuming that KC probably killed Caylee as an act of spitefulness towards CA and because she was jealous of Caylee, but there is no actual evidence as yet to support this opinion as fact and so it is just as conceivable IMO that she may have hated her mother for valid (to her) reasons and did not want Caylee to suffer the way she did.

This is just a thought and is put out here for potential discussion.

 

[boogiebear]

There have been many cases where a parent has killed their child because they believed it to be somehow 'best' for them, often because they perceive the world as an evil and cruel place and don't want their child to have to suffer in it. Many people are assuming that KC probably killed Caylee as an act of spitefulness towards CA and because she was jealous of Caylee, but there is no actual evidence as yet to support this opinion as fact and so it is just as conceivable IMO that she may have hated her mother for valid (to her) reasons and did not want Caylee to suffer the way she did.

This is just a thought and is put out here for potential discussion.

There are people out there, that for some reason, totally lack empathy. They only care for themselves. There are many debates about what causes this. They can live a normal life as long as they do not need or want something they are not getting. They can lie, steal, use, abuse people, no matter what the relationship. If they do show emotions, usually after they get caught, they are crying for themselves, and what they have lost, and how they will suffer. The people around them, especially the family will "assume" they have the same emotions as normal people and even swear they are happy and sad about things. These people can develop the ability to read and use other people's emotions. Some of these people become serial killers.
The thing about KC is, she female, pretty, smiles alot, and people do not want to think she is an inhuman monster capable of killing her own child, if that child got in her way. Even LP is still saying Caylee died of an accident, ignoring the searches for missing children, how to break a neck, how to make weapons to kill people using household objects, and the duct tape wrapped around her mouth, and back around her head(including hair) many times.
Lack of empathy does not mean you are not responsible for your actions, it only means you don't care if anyone beside you is hurting, happy, dying, or joyous, unless it effects you.

 

[Devon]

There are people out there, that for some reason, totally lack empathy. They only care for themselves. There are many debates about what causes this. They can live a normal life as long as they do not need or want something they are not getting. They can lie, steal, use, abuse people, no matter what the relationship. If they do show emotions, usually after they get caught, they are crying for themselves, and what they have lost, and how they will suffer. The people around them, especially the family will "assume" they have the same emotions as normal people and even swear they are happy and sad about things. These people can develop the ability to read and use other people's emotions. Some of these people become serial killers.
The thing about KC is, she female, pretty, smiles alot, and people do not want to think she is an inhuman monster capable of killing her own child, if that child got in her way. Even LP is still saying Caylee died of an accident, ignoring the searches for missing children, how to break a neck, how to make weapons to kill people using household objects, and the duct tape wrapped around her mouth, and back around her head(including hair) many times.
Lack of empathy does not mean you are not responsible for your actions, it only means you don't care if anyone beside you is hurting, happy, dying, or joyous, unless it effects you.

I understand that there are people just as you describe and that it is possible KC may be one of them, but what actual evidence is there to support this? I personally don't place much weight on the random comments she made before the event, such as Caylee being hard work and calling her a 'snot head' on one occasion etc. Many loving mothers have moments when they can feel overwhelmed by the responsibility of caring for a child or might wish that they did not have that responsibility. These feelings can be caused by any number of situations and are usually not indicative of any real lack of love for their child. I am a mother of 4 children (all now adults) and will readily admit that I did have moments when I hankered after a care-free life, but this was due to my situation at the time and the stress I was under, and did not mean that I lacked motherly love. I have immense love for all my children but I am also human and have weaknesses and faults just like anybody else.

The only evidence supporting KC's perceived lack of empathy for Caylee so far is her apparent lack of emotion and remorse after she died, but IMO it is feasible to suggest that if a parent kills their child because they are driven (for whatever reason) to think that they are actually saving the child from future suffering, they would also not show much remorse. Would someone who did this not feel that they had acted out of love? I am not saying that I think this is the situation here, but that there is potentially more than one way of interpreting what we have heard and read thus far.

P.S. There is no official evidence as yet that there was duct tape on Caylee's skull, much less wrapped around her head numerous times. This is currently rumour and the earliest reports state that the initial 'information' came from a resident. I am pretty sure no resident was even allowed within sight of the discovery!

 

[songline]

I think she thought about it all the time for exactly the three reasons you stated.

At that particular moment - when she finally acted on her thoughts - I think the order of the motives were:
1 revenge on Cindy
2 stifled social life
3 jealousy

I want to believe that it was an accident that Casey covered up.
I want to believe that no Mom can hurt her kids, even if I had see people like a Susan Smith on the TV.
I want to believe that her family knows it was an accident and that is why they are backing her.

I find it very hard to believe that she did it with a plan.
My heart hurts even more when I think it could have been intentional.

And on some remote place I think maybe, huge maybe that Brothel that Casey had been involved with had something to do with it, maybe she left the kid at the brothel and someone had their way with her and then killed her because she can speak.
I can not think that Casey would kill her for Jealousy or to get even with Cindy

I do have to tell you guys that about a week after I heard about this case back in July. Somewhere in my head
I heard Caylee crying "No Mommy No" It could have been in a dream, I do not recall.
I do not know what any of it means.
I know Cindy wanted Caylee - so Casey would have been able to party 24/7 and Caylee would not have hindered her freedom.

 

[Devon]

I want to believe that it was an accident that Casey covered up.
I want to believe that no Mom can hurt her kids, even if I had see people like a Susan Smith on the TV.
I want to believe that her family knows it was an accident and that is why they are backing her.

I find it very hard to believe that she did it with a plan.
My heart hurts even more when I think it could have been intentional.

And on some remote place I think maybe, huge maybe that Brothel that Casey had been involved with had something to do with it, maybe she left the kid at the brothel and someone had their way with her and then killed her because she can speak.
I can not think that Casey would kill her for Jealousy or to get even with Cindy

I do have to tell you guys that about a week after I heard about this case back in July. Somewhere in my head
I heard Caylee crying "No Mommy No" It could have been in a dream, I do not recall.
I do not know what any of it means.
I know Cindy wanted Caylee - so Casey would have been able to party 24/7 and Caylee would not have hindered her freedom.

What evidence is there that she was involved with a brothel? Do you have a link?

 

[boogiebear]

I understand that there are people just as you describe and that it is possible KC may be one of them, but what actual evidence is there to support this?

The ease at which she steals from the ones closest to her, and uses them. She stole from her ailing Grandparent's account. She stole from CA and GA's credit card. She stole from her "friend's". She constantly lies to help her get the things she wants. She lies for reasons. My parents are divorcing so that we can move into their house, feel sorry for me because my Father and brother molested me when I was younger, so I can pull you closer into my web so I can burn you, use you, take what I can, and then move on. She does things to make things better for her, including her constant lying, without any thought of how it might hurt other people, ie.; get her grandparents kicked out of their living situation, CA having bad credit, or having to pay back a huge bill, not caring if GA or LA would be hurt about her allegations of sexual abuse, or how Amy will cope when all the money she has in the world is gone. Stealing, and constantly lying to people you are "close" to, show absolutely no empathy how your actions will impact their lives.
Imagine your grandparents are sick, and barely keeping themselves in a nursing home, then imagine if it would be possible for you to steal from them, or how you would react to someone stealing everything they had? It is easy for someone who doesn't care.

 

[Trailerparkgirl]

i too want to think it was an accident, but then the internet searches come to mind, and the duct tape, then i think 'no, those things show pre-meditation'
then i think of reasons...
sometimes i think post partum gone unchecked...
i know caylee was almost 3, but what if she suffered from post partum very badly, did not recieve help (counceling, meds, whatever)
she was just psychotic...

 

[songline]

What evidence is there that she was involved with a brothel? Do you have a link?

There were many posts about that early on, and someone said it was on her page of face book whatever that social site is....
gosh it has been since Summer that I had not seen anything regarding that.
But it always stood out in my mind as an area that should have been investigated more.
hmmmmmm Maybe other areas should have been investigated more too....
Seems that the meter reader called attention to the bag way back in August.
Could all of this be a major Botch job?
Could it be an intentional Botch job because some people in the LE department may have an alliance with George? I do not know, but something is foul.
hmmmmmmmm.