MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #10

[debirlfan]

If the police are correct that the key is that missing hour, then what happened during that hour?

She picked someone up.
She made arrangements to meet someone.
She ticked someone off.
She was followed by a random killer.
Other ideas?

 

[AdamJacobAaronsMama]

I've always had this gut feeling that because of the findings of the front car seats reclined, JC may have been partying with a man & getting "romantic" as well. Years ago we used to call it "parking".

And then I think a third party---a jealous lover of one of them snuck up & caught them in the act & that infuriated them into blind rage & the burning commenced.

This theory of mine works particularly well if JC was with a married man w/wife & kids. The wife would've committed the deadly arson & the cheating hubby is feeling all sorts of guilt. Plus, he can't snitch on the mother of his kids---who would take care of them...that might be the mindset & explain the silence. But this theory also could work the other way where JC was with a man who had a jealous son, father, cousin, etc.
Bottom line is no one knows JC's personal/sexual life.....but there seemed to be jealous people in her surroundings.

And I would still be looking at the previous fire issue that night & who is comfortable or has a history of being near/starting fires.

Just all moo

Lol. Although I'm in a Facebook group frequented by one of the key figures discussed, and that person has given us quite some insight on Jessica's sexual/personal life. Perhaps there are some jealous men too...��. Whether or not that is true or not, I don't know... ��

 

[New1]

I've always had this gut feeling that because of the findings of the front car seats reclined, JC may have been partying with a man & getting "romantic" as well. Years ago we used to call it "parking".

And then I think a third party---a jealous lover of one of them snuck up & caught them in the act & that infuriated them into blind rage & the burning commenced.

This theory of mine works particularly well if JC was with a married man w/wife & kids. The wife would've committed the deadly arson & the cheating hubby is feeling all sorts of guilt. Plus, he can't snitch on the mother of his kids---who would take care of them...that might be the mindset & explain the silence. But this theory also could work the other way where JC was with a man who had a jealous son, father, cousin, etc.
Bottom line is no one knows JC's personal/sexual life.....but there seemed to be jealous people in her surroundings.

And I would still be looking at the previous fire issue that night & who is comfortable or has a history of being near/starting fires.

Just all moo

I think you're getting warmer.

 

[flatfootjoe]

I've always had this gut feeling that because of the findings of the front car seats reclined, JC may have been partying with a man & getting "romantic" as well. Years ago we used to call it "parking".

And then I think a third party---a jealous lover of one of them snuck up & caught them in the act & that infuriated them into blind rage & the burning commenced.

This theory of mine works particularly well if JC was with a married man w/wife & kids. The wife would've committed the deadly arson & the cheating hubby is feeling all sorts of guilt. Plus, he can't snitch on the mother of his kids---who would take care of them...that might be the mindset & explain the silence. But this theory also could work the other way where JC was with a man who had a jealous son, father, cousin, etc.
Bottom line is no one knows JC's personal/sexual life.....but there seemed to be jealous people in her surroundings.

And I would still be looking at the previous fire issue that night & who is comfortable or has a history of being near/starting fires.

Just all moo

I would like to know how far the seats were reclined. I know that among a certain set of young adults that riding around halfway into the rear of a car is the height of cool.

BBM

I could buy into this, if she were shot, or stabbed, or strangled. IMHO arson isn't usually a spontaneous crime. As I explained a few threads ago. Jessica died from thermal injury, not from blunt force trauma, not blood loss, not asphyxiation or any combination of the previous. She wasn't killed or nearly killed and fire used to conceal her murder or evidence. Fire was the murder weapon, that sort of implies a modicum of planning. I can't see an every day Joe or Jane just arbitrarily setting another human being on fire, I just can't believe that. This was a crime of irrational hatred and punitive in nature.

In the case of a married man, children or no, I can't believe any man with any sort of spine would sit and idly watch as his wife used his mistress for kindling. I know I couldn't live with images like those in my mind. No man, with even a minimal amount of compassion could.

I think this transcends the typical level of insanity associated with a jilted spouse. All MOO

 

[MizStery]

I've always had this gut feeling that because of the findings of the front car seats reclined, JC may have been partying with a man & getting "romantic" as well. Years ago we used to call it "parking".

And then I think a third party---a jealous lover of one of them snuck up & caught them in the act & that infuriated them into blind rage & the burning commenced.

This theory of mine works particularly well if JC was with a married man w/wife & kids. The wife would've committed the deadly arson & the cheating hubby is feeling all sorts of guilt. Plus, he can't snitch on the mother of his kids---who would take care of them...that might be the mindset & explain the silence. But this theory also could work the other way where JC was with a man who had a jealous son, father, cousin, etc.
Bottom line is no one knows JC's personal/sexual life.....but there seemed to be jealous people in her surroundings.

And I would still be looking at the previous fire issue that night & who is comfortable or has a history of being near/starting fires.

Just all moo

i was going to snip a few sentences from your quote for emphasis. But,I thought that by preserving your entire post key ideas were better left intact. I need to spend some time reconciling DA Champions latest disingenuous :sigh:interview with the timeline.
:cow:

 

[katydid23]

One question that I keep coming back to --it was raised and discussed many threads ago---is about the reclined seats.

Someone with experience in the car business said that after a very hot car fire, the seats would automatically recline because the devices which keep them UP melt, and the seats fall down to reclining position. { I did not explain it correctly, but that was the gist of it]

Anyone remember that? Is it possibly true?

 

[MizStery]

One question that I keep coming back to --it was raised and discussed many threads ago---is about the reclined seats.

Someone with experience in the car business said that after a very hot car fire, the seats would automatically recline because the devices which keep them UP melt, and the seats fall down to reclining position. { I did not explain it correctly, but that was the gist of it]

Anyone remember that? Is it possibly true?

This is the best I could do. Not exactly what you asked but close.I hope it helps.

I copied the following post and it blew the margins. I tried to fix but just made it worst. :smile:

Link to Websleuths page with the following posts from December 2014 thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ed-near-her-car-Panola-County-Dec-2014/page29​

Originally Posted by SStarr33
I hadn't seen these photos:

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/2...s-burned-alive



Thank you SStarr33 for posting a link to these photos.

IMHO, the driver's seat is NOT reclined to the same extreme position as the passenger seat (as illustrated below). Even allowing for the photo angle, the passenger seat is obviously reclined to a greater degree than the driver's seat. In addition, the passenger seat appears to be "pushed back" farther away from the dashboard than Jessica's driver's seat. This would allow for a longer-legged passenger, such as a male or female who was considerably taller than Jessica.​

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[BelieveinUFO]

One question that I keep coming back to --it was raised and discussed many threads ago---is about the reclined seats.

Someone with experience in the car business said that after a very hot car fire, the seats would automatically recline because the devices which keep them UP melt, and the seats fall down to reclining position. { I did not explain it correctly, but that was the gist of it]

Anyone remember that? Is it possibly true?

There are no MSM articles about reclined seats.

Some user talked about it here at first and then she said it was "just her opinion".

Please always find some known article sources before referencing to anything or believing it.

I know as in other cases, this forum greatly suffers from misinterpretations of personal opinions expressed by others. Got to have patience to weed out the bad information before believing that's what happened or known.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

One question that I keep coming back to --it was raised and discussed many threads ago---is about the reclined seats.

Someone with experience in the car business said that after a very hot car fire, the seats would automatically recline because the devices which keep them UP melt, and the seats fall down to reclining position. { I did not explain it correctly, but that was the gist of it]

Anyone remember that? Is it possibly true?

I thought the latches were made of thicker metal not plastic.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There are no MSM articles about reclined seats.

Some user talked about it here at first and then she said it was "just her opinion".

Please always find some known article sources before referencing to anything or believing it.

I know as in other cases, this forum greatly suffers from misinterpretations of personal opinions expressed by others. Got to have patience to weed out the bad information before believing that's what happened or known.

The seats are reclined in the pictures so we don't need to verify it through MSM or people giving personal opinions. We can see.

You can see it in this photo, but if you Google Jessica Chambers car...you can come up with many photos.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/09/23EB7E2F00000578-2867478-image-a-31_1418157745988.jpg

 

[katydid23]

I thought the latches were made of thicker metal not plastic.

The way they explained it, it was not the latch but the mechanism the latch is hooked up to, that keeps the seat upright. And that is what apparently melts in a very hot car fire. But I don't know if it is true.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The way they explained it, it was not the latch but the mechanism the latch is hooked up to, that keeps the seat upright. And that is what apparently melts in a very hot car fire. But I don't know if it is true.

Note the many cars with seats still upright after a horrific fire:

http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2013-11-07/econ_japan46__01__630x420.jpg

I will keep searching, but so far have only seen photos with seats still in the upright position after being burned out.

 

[FindHG]

Please forgive the following rambling and speculation. Jessica drove back to Courtland at 6:30, answered a call from her mom that ended at 7:13, little noise heard in the background. Then she was, based on phone locating info placed at the scene of the crime at 7:30, almost 40 minutes before the call that brought the fire chief.

Could it be possible that during the call with her mom, she was already in the company of the person who murdered her? Her mom found the background stillness mysterious during the call. According to Jessica's mom's most detailed account of the conversation, it sounds like Jessica may have obfuscated where she may have been at the time, who she may have been with and what she may have been doing. If this is true, the time that LE really needs to pin point her location is sometime between 6:30 and the time she answered her phone to speak with her mom one last time, it seems to me. Whoever was with her may have entered her car during that block of time, between when she was known to return to Courtland and to answer her mom's call. Why would she answer her mom's call finally, when she did? Could she have been parked at that point at some location where she was attacked then moved at around 7:30?

The thing that doesn't make sense about that is that her phone was still working enough to ping while she was at that location at 7:30 and not before. It may be possible still that the attack took place somewhere else, that her phone was turned off, during or after the attack, which would have to have happened sometime after 7:13 pm, when Jessica ended the call to her mom. That attack may have been too close to home for the perp, so they moved her, maybe got their hands on accelerant, turned on the phone again at 7:30 at the staged scene of the crime, to distance the crime from themselves. The perp at that point may have somehow started a smoldering fire at first, that worked it's way onto to a passed out or subdued Jessica, to give the perp time to escape or get distance.

Why would she not have left a record of being in touch with this person, as her electronic trail seems to have come up blank, in terms of suspects or POI's? Maybe she has left a trail, but their last contact is untraceable. Maybe the perp planned it as such? Maybe it was a standing appointment to talk with somebody she knew and trusted and was trying to help who may have been unstable, possibly a rapist, who may have turned on her, unexpectedly. Not every one she knew could fit the bill on this. Could it have been a troubled person she met through her recovery she may have been having an appeasing heart to heart with? Could it have been with a person with anger issues she met through her activities, meetings, counselling? It's a thought that keeps nagging at me, especially as her mom described Jessica's tone in their call. Jessica was listening, responding, appeasing, and maybe just trying to end the call nicely. What if Jessica just wanted to end the contact with this person nicely too that night in the same way but that person didn't want that from her. Maybe Jessica just tried helping the wrong person that night. That person could not just attack Jessica and let her live. That person was sick enough to be able to burn Jessica to cover for themselves.

The question, in my mind, isn't what did Jessica do to deserve to be burned, as was asked in MSM by Boone or whoever, the question is who does she know who is sick enough to do this and who Jessica trusted and others may know, but not one of the usual suspects, so not the usual chatter.

 

[katydid23]

Note the many cars with seats still upright after a horrific fire:

http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2013-11-07/econ_japan46__01__630x420.jpg

I will keep searching, but so far have only seen photos with seats still in the upright position after being burned out.

That seems to answer it. Thanks. :wave:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That seems to answer it. Thanks. :wave:

Not saying it isn't possible, but simply the things I have seen indicate it isn't always the case. I haven't researched her specific car yet.

If the seats did fall during the fire due to a melting reaction, it would help to explain a little bit of the mystery. However, fire didn't make the emergency brake pop on.

 

[redfish]

I wish I knew more about the other fire call. Anything about it really... was it a kitchen fire? was anyone home? what was the address? who lived there?

Does anyone know ANYTHING about this call?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

BBM.

We've gone from a phone call reported to have gone on for ~20 minutes, to a brief phone call with her mother. This is absolutely maddening. 1/3rd of the time she's in the crucial missing hour and they can't get any location data? Un****ingbelievable. The question begs to be answered, was Jessica even using her own phone to call her mother? How in heavens name do they know she was at the scene of her death at 7:30, and don't know where she was before that. Cell towers don't work like that, they're on, or they're off. I intentionally left reading about this case alone for a while because it was getting to me, this isn't what I hoped for on my return. Something isn't right here, something is very, very wrong. Those federal agencies are dug in deep with no sign of leaving soon, at least we have that to be grateful for. I really feared they would have left already. Someone there has to know something, they need to start throwing more money in the pot, this is downright insanity,

Not one "fact" in this case has remained static, every last detail has changed, been disproven, disputed or retracted. Save one, they know it's a murder. I'd like to see what evidence they have to substantiate that. I'm certain however, they're not disclosing that as to confirm any testimony given on the crime. You know, like how was she restrained, only someone who was there, or actually heard about the crime from the criminals would know that.

Aaaaaargh :gaah:

My sentiments exactly.
I had to take a break as well and will probably remain on the brinks. Definitely maddening.:maddening:

 

[New1]

BBM.

We've gone from a phone call reported to have gone on for ~20 minutes, to a brief phone call with her mother. This is absolutely maddening. 1/3rd of the time she's in the crucial missing hour and they can't get any location data? Un****ingbelievable. The question begs to be answered, was Jessica even using her own phone to call her mother? How in heavens name do they know she was at the scene of her death at 7:30, and don't know where she was before that. Cell towers don't work like that, they're on, or they're off. I intentionally left reading about this case alone for a while because it was getting to me, this isn't what I hoped for on my return. Something isn't right here, something is very, very wrong. Those federal agencies are dug in deep with no sign of leaving soon, at least we have that to be grateful for. I really feared they would have left already. Someone there has to know something, they need to start throwing more money in the pot, this is downright insanity,

Not one "fact" in this case has remained static, every last detail has changed, been disproven, disputed or retracted. Save one, they know it's a murder. I'd like to see what evidence they have to substantiate that. I'm certain however, they're not disclosing that as to confirm any testimony given on the crime. You know, like how was she restrained, only someone who was there, or actually heard about the crime from the criminals would know that.

Aaaaaargh :gaah:

About whose phone Jessica was using....I think it has been reported that Lisa called Jessica--not the other way around. Of course it might come out later that Jessica called her mother, since everything else has been reported in inconsistent ways.

 

[New1]

If the police are correct that the key is that missing hour, then what happened during that hour?

She picked someone up.
She made arrangements to meet someone.She ticked someone off.
She was followed by a random killer.
Other ideas?

Number 2.

 

[BirdycatNY]

The more I think about it...the more I think it's family...

That thought occurred to me as well, that may be Jessica had a fight with someone in the family and it got out of hand and perpetrator snapped. But I don't think it is family related quarrel because of what individual(s)-acquaintances stated after Jessica's death; I also think LE/FBI/ATF would have discovered something by now if it was some haphazard fight. But it's possible I guess. Jmo/

I would like to know how far the seats were reclined... This was a crime of irrational hatred and punitive in nature.

In the case of a married man, children or no, I can't believe any man with any sort of spine would sit and idly watch as his wife used his mistress for kindling. I know I couldn't live with images like those in my mind. No man, with even a minimal amount of compassion could.

I think this transcends the typical level of insanity associated with a jilted spouse. All MOO

Flatfoot Joe, I totally agree. Perpetrator(s) are psychopaths/off-kilter and this is an irrational and psychotic crime, so my guess is not many individuals fit that profile regardless of whether they are involved in other criminal or indecent activity. It's more likely individual(s) have criminal record and I do believe these perpetrator(s) have served some prison time, BUT they are off-kilter. Psychotic jealous girlfriend/wife is plausible to me though, but I don't think Jessica was willingly on Herron Rd and wife would have to be mentally unstable prior to crime. This crime is a complete disregard for human life and rage-filled. Not normal heat of moment crime, imo.

Also, re: seats reclined, I think LE would be able to tell if someone else was driving Jessica's car based on whether seat was pushed back (ie measuring length between gas petal and seat to figure out leg length. Reclining drivers seat is something teenagers and college students do, especially guys. I don't think I've ever seen a female recline driver's seat before, but I could be wrong.

The question, in my mind, isn't what did Jessica do to deserve to be burned, as was asked in MSM by Boone or whoever, the question is who does she know who is sick enough to do this and who Jessica trusted and others may know, but not one of the usual suspects, so not the usual chatter.

Exactly. What kind of individual(s) would be sick in the head enough to commit such an horrendous and painful crime? A Taste of Honey posted a great study on arsonists and profiling. The other question that I come back to is what was the LURE? how did the individual(s) lure her? So if Jessica hypo were into drugs (let's say marijuana), who was her connection for purchasing it? Who knew that Jessica was into whatever they lured her with? How did they connect with her (by phone, email, work, neighborhood?). Also, who knew Jessica's brother died in a car accident (JC crime scene looked staged to me)? There are probably only a handful of people that are sick enough in the head to do something and they were able to lure her, so what's the lure? Jmo, but there are individual(s) that know more than they're sharing to LE/FBI.