MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 10/29/11

[Donjeta]

Picked this up off a BeanE tweet, thanks BeanE!

I've been waiting for the psychics to start up, but this gal admits her "findings" are skewed by what she already knew. It will probably prompt others to chime in. mo

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-psychic-weighs-in-baby-lisa-case-20111030,0,463365.story

Arachne's tarot card for law enforcement came out upside down.

"This would represent law enforcement," said Arachne. "If it were right side up, that would be one thing, but it's upside down, it means law enforcement really doesn't have a clue."

It would have come out upside down if that's the way she put it in there, right? I don't know if psychics have some special way of shuffling their cards but when I shuffle a deck of cards their order gets mixed up but they don't turn upside down.

 

[Geralyn]

Perps aren't that smart. Most just think of selling the phones. Detectives in the show The first 48 are constantly tracking down a victims phone only to find the person using it is not their suspect at all. But merely someone who bought the phone on a street corner from the real suspect. Not saying that's the case here. But it happens and the phones are used until the service cuts off.

If just the phones were taken..or other like items, I'd chalk it up to that as well. But those kinds of thefts don't really seem to go hand in hand with infant abduction, imo.

Whatever the reason for the phones being "missing', is in direct relation to the baby being missing, imo. Either by buying time for family not to be able to dial out for help...or hiding something else associated with the goings on that night/morning.

 

[Quiche]

It would have come out upside down if that's the way she put it in there, right? I don't know if psychics have some special way of shuffling their cards but when I shuffle a deck of cards their order gets mixed up but they don't turn upside down.

Not that I know too much about it, but I do know they are very careful about the direction of the card before they turn it up. fwiw She didn't have a lot of confidence in her own work on this one, imo.

 

[cluciano63]

..that's what was reported the other day-----psychics are chiming in..

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/25/32 ... -part.html

Tip rate slows
The investigation into Lisa Irwin’s disappearance entered its fourth week Tuesday.

So far, investigators have received 976 tips and cleared 793 of them. The rate of tips coming in has started to slow, Kansas City police said. Many calls now are from psychics or people offering suggestions for how police should conduct their investigation.

Great, that should be helpful...
(Not)

 

[Quiche]

Great, that should be helpful...
(Not)

Well, hey-- I believe them when they agree with what I think. :fence:

eta: Actually, I'll listen to what they have to say, but not so much to bank on... I watch the shows, have been to a few. Tarot cards have always freaked me out a little, have to be honest.

 

[Abby Normal]

I would love to know if JI mentioned the missing cell phones in the 911 call. That would be the last thing on my mind if my baby was kidnapped. I just can't imagine saying "My baby is missing!!!! And so are my cell phones!!!".

Even if he did, it doesn't mean he cared abt the phones. I found out the hard way that you give meaningless and stupid details when you call the police with a missing child. Adrenaline takes over. I was telling them how I was tying my other daughter's shoes... but never mentioned her age or size or that she was on a scooter. AYE. It's confusing and you're likely to be a babbling idiot to police. I personally wouldn't extract meaning from anything minimal in that moment, but that's just me.

 

[BritsKate]

It would have come out upside down if that's the way she put it in there, right? I don't know if psychics have some special way of shuffling their cards but when I shuffle a deck of cards their order gets mixed up but they don't turn upside down.

Jumping off your post...I've read tarot cards more than half my life so I will chime in a 'lil to say:

1. Not every 'psychic' uses tarot and not every tarot reader is psychic.
2. Reversed cards can be any number of things - delay, blocked energy, an opposite of the meaning of the card upright, a lesson needing to be learned from previous cards (depending on the spread or layout used), or it could mean that the person being read for isn't yet aware of what needs to be known (like a lesson, goal, etc.). It is by no means an immediate negative though.
3. Any reader worth their salt would never, ever base a reading on a single card (unless just a yes/no question of course). It's like reading just a page out of a book and trying to write a book report. It needs to be put into context with all its parts to paint the bigger picture.
4. Bare recommendation, tmk, has been to shuffle the deck (78 cards, fyi - 22 major arcana and 56 minor arcana split into 4 suits) 4 times. I cut and shuffle 4 times. A well used deck would rarely not turn up reverse cards unless that is what the reading is meant to convey.

Probably TMI but it should give everyone who's not familiar some basis. As a rule I do not believe in psychics but I do think everyone has a psychic sense. I have watched many, many astrology and psychic forums follow missing persons cases and rarely (like never) have they gotten it right. The one exception was the FA section here - those people well and truly rocked. :rocker:

JMHO

 

[Miziree]

If this was a abduction the reason I would guess they would take the phone would be to throw off police. Run one way with the baby and phones and dump them, run a different direction to throw off Police. In the beginning LE were really checking those woods behind the house seems they were going in one direction at the time..IMO

 

[Cazzie]

And watching last night, it dawned on me what was bothering me so much about the interview DB and JI gave reporters the night of Oct. 4.
When asked why anyone would take Lisa, DB said she had no idea why, maybe this, maybe that. But they had a ready reason for why the cell phones were taken. So we couldn't call 911. They took our phones so we couldn't call.
That has always bothered me. It just falls into the "Here's some more of my alibi" category, IMO.
Seems like, if you wanted people to think some intruder stole your stuff, you would have to guess they took it for money, or you would say, heck if I know. But for them to assign a reason behind a cell phone abduction...:waitasec:

You may be right, especially after their subsequent media appearances and inconsistencies.

But I interpreted the bolded part as "and as a result, we couldn't call 911 on them".

Several discussed this back in the first week, and look now, we're still discussing it. Just shows how few answers and facts we really have...

 

[lauriej]

I would love to know if JI mentioned the missing cell phones in the 911 call. That would be the last thing on my mind if my baby was kidnapped. I just can't imagine saying "My baby is missing!!!! And so are my cell phones!!!".

..in the dispatch logs that they did release, this is what the dispatcher relayed to the officer:

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29471219/detail.html#ixzz1boTqlbBr
Hear Dispatch Tapes Moments After Baby Lisa Disappears


..Dispatch to Officer:

"He noticed the screen is busted and 10-month-old daughter is missing," the dispatcher continues. "He advised he didn't witness anything. And they don't know how long she's been gone."

 

[Cazzie]

I served in Fire/Rescue for over ten years. I personally responded to many a missing child dispatch.

A call for a missing child is a priority call. It gets emergency response moving very quickly. Sometimes older kids are hiding under a bed, sometimes they are truly missing. Sometimes the child runs away if old enough. But it is a priority call generally.

Now I have no idea how the dispatchers are trained in this area. But as an active scanner listener in my own area and all over the country almost daily, several channels at once, a missing child is generally reported as a missing child from my listening experience.

Again it could be that the emphasis was not based on the child being missing in the beginning. Or the dispatcher misunderstood, or the code structure is different. I feel this is unique the way this call was dispatched from my own personal perspective.

My layperson opinion is that you would want the highest priority code called out first.

But don't forget, the dispatcher asked to be called (IIRC), so the "missing baby" part may have been handled over the phone. We do have a transcript (somewhere, from the scanner thread, probably still in there) of some of the initial call.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

..in the dispatch logs that they did release, this is what the dispatcher relayed to the officer:

http://www.kmbc.com/news/29471219/detail.html#ixzz1boTqlbBr
Hear Dispatch Tapes Moments After Baby Lisa Disappears


..Dispatch to Officer:

"He noticed the screen is busted and 10-month-old daughter is missing," the dispatcher continues. "He advised he didn't witness anything. And they don't know how long she's been gone."

Which has always left me to question why the dispatcher coded it as a "burglary in progress". - its the "he didn't witness anything. And they don't know how long she's been gone" - yet somehow this is radioed out as a "burglary in progress?"

Bizarre - there's something else on that 911 call that we don't know - and I believe its a big clue.

JMHO

 

[Cazzie]

WOO...read my post just above yours...

 

[Wise Old Owl]

My layperson opinion is that you would want the highest priority code called out first.

But don't forget, the dispatcher asked to be called (IIRC), so the "missing baby" part may have been handled over the phone. We do have a transcript (somewhere, from the scanner thread, probably still in there) of some of the initial call.

From my experience a "missing, possible abducted child" is a higher priority code than a burglary in progress.

And you're right - the dispatcher probably wanted to speak to the responding officer over the phone because of something that was said by JI in that 911 call. That's why they decided not to release that call. What was said in that 911 call is a big part of this case - IMO

 

[Cazzie]

From my experience a "missing, possible abducted child" is a higher priority code than a burglary in progress.

And you're right - the dispatcher probably wanted to speak to the responding officer over the phone because of something that was said by JI in that 911 call. That's why they decided not to release that call. What was said in that 911 call is a big part of this case - IMO

I agree that "missing baby" should be higher priority...even a combo with "burglary in progress" if caller doesn't know if person still there.

I've posted in Lisa's scanner thread with the question about the rewind that was done, and the transcript posted (which I can't find with the Search function). Hopefully a WSer will remember and help us find it. But if they find it, can we post it here and talk about it? Or does it have to stay downstairs?

 

[gliving]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBPrwG2_TZM"]Baby Lisa Irwin Police Scanner Recordings - YouTube[/ame]

Here's a recording of the dispatcher sending her dispatch. From listening, I have know idea why it was coded a burglary.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

From my experience a "missing, possible abducted child" is a higher priority code than a burglary in progress.

And you're right - the dispatcher probably wanted to speak to the responding officer over the phone because of something that was said by JI in that 911 call. That's why they decided not to release that call. What was said in that 911 call is a big part of this case - IMO

It could very well be that he said "call me on my cell" in case the perp had a scanner.

 

[CHICANA]

And watching last night, it dawned on me what was bothering me so much about the interview DB and JI gave reporters the night of Oct. 4.
When asked why anyone would take Lisa, DB said she had no idea why, maybe this, maybe that. But they had a ready reason for why the cell phones were taken. So we couldn't call 911. They took our phones so we couldn't call.
That has always bothered me. It just falls into the "Here's some more of my alibi" category, IMO.
Seems like, if you wanted people to think some intruder stole your stuff, you would have to guess they took it for money, or you would say, heck if I know. But for them to assign a reason behind a cell phone abduction...:waitasec:

Maybe someone else gave them the idea ? Could have even been LE.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Probably TMI but it should give everyone who's not familiar some basis. As a rule I do not believe in psychics but I do think everyone has a psychic sense. I have watched many, many astrology and psychic forums follow missing persons cases and rarely (like never) have they gotten it right. The one exception was the FA section here - those people well and truly rocked. :rocker:

JMHO

I agree with this and thanks for mentioning it. I didn't know anyone else felt the way I did about that.

 

[lauriej]

..it's also strange that jeremy hadn't called his parents when lisa was 'kidnapped'-----they heard about when they saw the Amber Alert.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xdu-BA6Gf8&feature=relmfu"]Hours After Amber Alert, Still No Sign Of Baby - YouTube[/ame]
Hours After Amber Alert, Still No Sign Of Baby

..@ approx. 0.55.

( she points out jeremy's parents standing outside of the yellow tape at the house..)

Reporter---"...and we’re hearing from family , that the family actually learned about this possible abduction from the Amber Alert they saw on TV."

------i realize they were busy with LE , but to go 3 hours from the 911 call--and not call your own parents???


Police issued an Amber Alert for Lisa Irwin about 7 a.m. today.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/04/3185712/amber-alert-issued-for-10-month.html#ixzz1cI8Df7yZ