MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 11/9/11

[annalia]

She has them too, but the country was founded on one person's rights do not trump another. You don't have to agree with it, but that's how it is.

And parents can be more concerned about and hide behind "their" rights, or they can put aside "their" rights when it comes to wanting to do everything to find their child.

JMHO

 

[tehcloser]

She has them too, but the country was founded on one person's rights do not trump another. You don't have to agree with it, but that's how it is.

Yeah Yeah, like it or lump it, heard it before..... but the rights thing works both ways, their rights don't trump Lisa's either.

 

[cityslick]

And parents can be more concerned about and hide behind "their" rights, or they can put aside "their" rights when it comes to wanting to do everything to find their child.

JMHO

Your correct, and it's their right to do either. Once you start taking away those 'rights' you start down a slippery slope that I don't think anyone would be comfortable with.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

IMO, he should of just said 'we have no case to pursue at this time' and left it at that.

Or at the very least, as a public spokesman, he should understand the meaning of the words he uses. Infinite, but a few? Is it opposite day or something? WTH?

 

[tehcloser]

You start down a slippery slope when possible.......and I said POSSIBLE, suspects start telling LE what to do.

 

[Abby Normal]

Perhaps someone should refresh Mr. Tabman's memory as to the definition of the word "infinite".

That was my first thought exactly :floorlaugh:

My second thought- that statement is just really odd. It's hinky in its own right. They (LE or DA) don't really say that about a case only a month in. Do they?

odd.

 

[Sherbie]

I disagree. They have avenues (court orders) for getting what they need from minor kids, and even adults, with probable cause. If they don't have probable cause, then discussions are fair and just. It's a respectable system.

JMO.

I think there are two aspects - the structure of the legal system (I agree with all you said in that regard) and our moral responsibility and natural inclination as parents to do everything humanly possibly to save a child that is taken from us. Those two aspects don't always mesh, so we have to prioritize.

I'd defend til blue in the face someone's right to exercise constitutional protections, but I wouldn't necessarily feel like it was always the moral or responsible thing to do, especially when there is a totally helpless child at the mercy of such decisions.

 

[cityslick]

You start down a slippery slope when possible.......and I said POSSIBLE, suspects start telling LE what to do.

But they are not possible suspects. They are not suspects period. LE has been adamant about that. There are no suspects in this case at this time. You can't treat them as such if they are not, that's not how it works.

 

[In da Middle]

Respectfully, then WHAT IS TAKING SO LONG?? this is not directed at you, Abby, I agree w what you are saying. And I believe there is probable cause, no?

IMO if there was probable cause, there would be no option of questioning. They would be brought in.

 

[cityslick]

I think there are two aspects - the structure of the legal system (I agree with all you said in that regard) and our moral responsibility and natural inclination as parents to do everything humanly possibly to save a child that is taken from us. Those two aspects don't always mesh, so we have to prioritize.

I'd defend til blue in the face someone's right to exercise constitutional protections, but I wouldn't necessarily feel like it was always the moral or responsible thing to do, especially when there is a totally helpless child at the mercy of such decisions.

Perfect example is the Penn State situation. Joe Pa (and everyone else) did the 'legal' thing to do (report it to his superior) but not the moral thing (report to the authorities).

 

[annalia]

Your correct, and it's their right to do either. Once you start taking away those 'rights' you start down a slippery slope that I don't think anyone would be comfortable with.

What possible rights of theirs are more important than the rights of their child? They know that LE can't fully clear them and move on without their cooperation.

We're not talking about a stranger or a stolen car, it is their child. If they think their rights not to answer what LE needs answered are more important than furthering the case to find their child, I just don't know what to say.

JMHO

 

[tehcloser]

I have not seen LE being ADAMANT about them not being suspects. Not at all , actually quite the opposite.........they are not CO-OPERATING, what do you think that tells LE???????? It's not rocket science for pete's sake. They can't move past the parents!!!! There's a reason for that.

 

[Abby Normal]

Yeah Yeah, like it or lump it, heard it before..... but the rights thing works both ways, their rights don't trump Lisa's either.

Exactly. When there is some inkling, some probable cause, saying that her rights should take priority, then they do. There is a system for it.

IMO the fact that they can't force anything is an *indication that they weren't able to confirm the HRD hit or find incriminating evidence in the 17 hour search. I don't believe they would find all this proof of her being deceased or foul play and then tip toe around rights.

*indication/clue=not a fact

 

[cityslick]

What possible rights of theirs are more important than the rights of their child? They know that LE can't fully clear them and move on without their cooperation.

We're not talking about a stranger or a stolen car, it is their child. If they think their rights not to answer what LE needs answered are more important than furthering the case to find their child, I just don't know what to say.

JMHO

I don't know what they think their rights are. This conversation came up it was mentioned that the parents shouldn't dictate the investigation, which this shouldn't. But I don't know if I agree with giving LE free reign to the children without the parents say in it.

 

[Solstice Canyon]

Perhaps someone should refresh Mr. Tabman's memory as to the definition of the word "infinite".

Yes! Add the word "fortunately" to the list! Per his quote:

"We have thousands of children who are fortunately not returned to their families."

Fortunately?!

 

[annalia]

But they are not possible suspects. They are not suspects period. LE has been adamant about that. There are no suspects in this case at this time. You can't treat them as such if they are not, that's not how it works.

LE didn't say they were not possible suspects. They never said they were moving on away from them the way they've said it about a few others.

Yet there are certain people, who LE has said have been cleared and they've moved on away from, are still being discussed as possible suspects.

LE has also said that they're not answering what they need answered.

 

[tehcloser]

I don't know what they think their rights are. This conversation came up it was mentioned that the parents shouldn't dictate the investigation, which this shouldn't. But I don't know if I agree with giving LE free reign to the children without the parents say in it.

I NEVER said LE should be given free reign over kids with out the parents having a say.

 

[scmom]

Well, I'm going to put my neck out here and say that since DB has faith in God, that she should do just that. IMO the moral argument would win out over the legal argument.
Of course, now I'll have to go find the link in which DB made this statement.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-baby-lisas-parents-microscope-14752251

 

[cityslick]

I have not seen LE being ADAMANT about them not being suspects. Not at all , actually quite the opposite.........they are not CO-OPERATING, what do you think that tells LE???????? It's not rocket science for pete's sake. They can't move past the parents!!!! There's a reason for that.

A police spokeswoman said today that police have received more than 11-hundred tips and have cleared nearly a thousand. But she said the number of calls to police has recently tapered off. She said the nature of the investigation hasn't changed, and that police continue to search for the baby. The spokeswoman said up to 50 detectives continue to work on the case and there are no suspects.

This link
http://articles.kspr.com/2011-11-04/kansas-city-police_30362068

 

[annalia]

I have not seen LE being ADAMANT about them not being suspects. Not at all , actually quite the opposite.........they are not CO-OPERATING, what do you think that tells LE???????? It's not rocket science for pete's sake. They can't move past the parents!!!! There's a reason for that.

Exactly. At what point do we just dismiss what LE says and listen to what LE says? It gets confusing. :waitasec: