Identified! Mystery couple murdered in South Carolina, 1976 - #7 Pam Buckley & James P Freund

[fred&edna]

'Just wanted to add I'm in total agreement with you leilarose68 and folieadeuxnola !

After years of speculating about the Sumter Co Does, I'm thrilled and grateful for all the work DDP has done (and is doing!) on these cases... and very happy identification may be possible in the very near future.

ETA Can anyone volunteer for DDP? What type of skills and background are necessary? TIA!

 

[dotr]

Just want to post this handy link.
Doe Upload.xlsx

 

[Tighthead]

Not to bad of a start ....

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I’m not experienced with interpreting the data. How promising is this and any guess as to a time frame?

 

[Chantal]

Hello all, i've been here a few years back, I am in Montreal, so I've made some researches and recently found my old notes.
To follow-up on thread #six page 51, some eminent doctors are: Dr Jacques Fiset, dental specialist in prosthodontics (one children Jacques Jr, no spouse), Dr Jean Panet Fauteux, Dr Jacques Fauteux, dental surgeon.
But Jock only said his father was a doctor, right, no mention that his father was a dental doctor?
So his father could have been a proeminent psychiatist, like Dr Leo Paul Ferron.
I went to the Montreal university dept of education but they don't have the graduates pictures from the 70's (I was looking for Jock, if he studied there)

 

[wmm85]

I’m not experienced with interpreting the data. How promising is this and any guess as to a time frame?

Neither of them really have close matches, unfortunately. It’s not like Buckskin Girl who had a first cousin once removed come up on Gedmatch which made it easy for a quick identification. Jane has the closest match with what could be a third cousin (based on the number of cM). The genealogists working on this case will try to build a family tree from there.

 

[ntt1]

I’m not experienced with interpreting the data. How promising is this and any guess as to a time frame?

From the dnapainter.com tool linked on the spreadsheet.

 

[fred&edna]

I'm also keeping an eye on Delefield John Doe 1977.

This identification process is helping us practice patience It's tough waiting.

 

[retrometro]

Fascinating. Thanks to all who explained the cM terminology upthread. Also thanks to the DNA Doe Project volunteers for their labor. I imagine it must be frustrating at times.

Even if it's not a high match, I'm glad there's at least some material for the DDP people to work with for Jane Doe. I'll think good thoughts that brings us one step closer to helping Jock and Jane get their names back.

 

[Giuc0]

Sorry, deciphering DNA is not my strong suit!

While we are waiting, an interesting tidbit about the situation in South America during the Dirty War.
I missed the declassified document which confirms what was more or less known.

The US CIA spied human rights organizations like Amnesty International, AFDD (Agrupación de Familiares de Detenidos Desaparecidos)... We know now that Buenos Aires was the headquarters for Operation Condor, coordinating the enforced disappearances, extrajudicial executions etc... in countries involved (Argentina, Chili, Uruguay, Paraguay AFAIK).
The CIA was involved in it, it is confirmed with the document. Desclasificado


Now, the problem is that while waiting for DNA Project, combing the data about DD in these countries between 1973 and August 9 1976 is that it's finding a needle in the haystack.
And it's not as if we had any isotope testing!

If their ethnicity was mentioned, I missed it. Sorry!

 

[doggybag2355]

Numbers aren't entirely indicative of how close a case is to being solved either. The Barron County John Doe 2017 was identified earlier this summer and his closest match was only 101.9 cM. Meanwhile the New Britian Jane Doe has been sitting at 147.1 cM for months now. Volunteers follow up on each and every tree they can get, and sometimes get lucky like with Ginger Bibb, who's highest match was around 70ish. So I'd use these only as a general idea of how close one is to being solved, but honestly any case on the database could be solved any day.

 

[Giuc0]

I understand, but not having the ethnicity bothers me. Because comparing the databases of DD in South America during the Dirty War without this data is trying to find a needle in the haystack.

Following up the couple meanwhile: César Amadeo Lugones y María Marta Vásquez Ocampo - Espacio Memoria

 

[Giuc0]

Following up the mentioned couple, I found that tidbit:

• El robo del hijo de María Marta Vásquez Ocampo y de César Amadeo Lugones Casinelli, secuestrados el 14 de mayo de 1976. Ella estaba embarazada y dio a luz un varón en diciembre de ese año.

Source: La búsqueda de un hermano de 20 años - LA NACION
BBM

So, we know now that she gave birth to a son in december the same year, though he has not been found yet per the website Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo LUGONES CASINELLI - VÁSQUEZ OCAMPO | Nuestros Nietos | Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo

I also found in Carbonell Beatriz Carolina, Perez Weiss Horacio, Mignone Monica Maria Candelaria, Lugones Cesar Amadeo, Vazquez Maria Marta | Vecinos de Almagro
that the couple was a victim of one of the death flights (vuelos de la muerte).

I really don't think that the couple is our SC victims even with the uncanny resemblance.

 

[Sweetluv]

I cannot wait till this thread reads : IDENTIFIED!
I always thought the DNA project would be the best chance at solving their identity.

 

[Giuc0]

Me too!

Meanwhile, do you speak enough Spanish to help me comb the databases of enforced disappeared during the Dirty War in South America?

There is so much to comb that a helping hand would do with!

 

[folieadeuxnola]

DNA determination and understanding is way beyond my paygrade I'm still lost on my maternal side so no help here in explaining.

DNA Geek is educational .... read it but hear the teacher from Charlie Brown talking in my head

 

[Canaille]

I've had my "ancestry" done through the company with the same name. How does the Doe Project get their info? What would someone like me do for mine to be accessible to them and Namus?

 

[folieadeuxnola]

I've had my "ancestry" done through the company with the same name. How does the Doe Project get their info? What would someone like me do for mine to be accessible to them and Namus?

Download it from the A and upload it to Gedmatch its fairly easy.

 

[taramarie]

I've had my "ancestry" done through the company with the same name. How does the Doe Project get their info? What would someone like me do for mine to be accessible to them and Namus?

Here are instructions!

How to Upload Guides - FG4LE Help

 

[CarlK90245]

Joan has added the admixtures for Sumter County. She will get to other cases as she has time. She has also added an explanation of the process so there is some understanding as to why it takes so long sometimes to see results after a case has been accepted by the DNADoeProject.

Doe Upload.xlsx

 

[Warwick1991]

The admixtures for both Does show roughly 1/2 North Atlantic origin. Both have about 1/4 Baltic origins also. They both have substantial Western Mediterranean origins as well. They are relatively similar with regard to ethnic origin, although Jane Doe has some Amerindian ancestry. The mixture of peoples suggest that they are from the Americas, as their origins are likely from a culture with immigration from these areas. It is still a very large area. South America, especially Argentina, has many people with a similar profile. Canada and the US are also likely - I am now thinking the most likely. Hopefully they can find a 2nd or 3rd cousin for a starting point.