Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #11

[Just the Fax]

I would have to assume Brad told her - she says in the 911 call that she had talked to him, not once but twice.

Maybe she had a habit of keeping her purse and cell locked in her car ?
Remember the info about the passports...she used her car to keep her stuff.

 

[raisincharlie]

Maybe she had a habit of keeping her purse and cell locked in her car ?
Remember the info about the passports...she used her car to keep her stuff.

So you think she came home from the party and locked her cell in the car for the night?

 

[Just the Fax]

One of settings Alltel phones have is 'GPS 911 only' or 'GPS -on'

 

[Just the Fax]

So you think she came home from the party and locked her cell in the car for the night?

If it was in her purse, that is likely.
By all accounts, she despised this man and was very suspicious of his motives , especially concerning finances.

 

[panthera]

Maybe she had a habit of keeping her purse and cell locked in her car ?
Remember the info about the passports...she used her car to keep her stuff.

That's very possible. Her purse was in the car. So it could be Jessica just assumed the phone was there too. I can't think why Brad would've told her something like that especially if he'd just staged a phone call with it as part of covering up her murder?

 

[reddress58]

The phone does not have to be 'in-use' for the tower to pick up the signal.

And I'm not even sure if the phone has to be 'ON' though I need to research that. I remember something said during the Scott Peterson case discussions on TV about the phone still 'transmitting' even if it was off, but that didn't make sense to me at the time (and it still doesn't make sense now).

I will research this issue.

Someone mentioned a possible route from the house to the grocery store he could have made for the dump. This makes sense knowing the neighborhood as I do. He's one street from Cary Parkway, which leads directly to Holly Springs Road. He'd make a right there, then take a left on Fielding. Comes back out the same way, and tehn goes left on Holly Springs Rd. Takes the next right on Lilly Atkins, which is a short cut back to Lochmere Drive and much closer to Kildaire Farm road and Harris Teeter than taking the route back to Cary Parkway toward his home.

What I can't understand is: if the children were home sleeping, then why not go to Lowes grocery which is much, much closer by? Must not be open that early...but he'd have to know that...unless he tried there first. Maybe they have a camera to see if he tried the doors at Lowes.

 

[raisincharlie]

If it was in her purse, that is likely.
By all accounts, she despised this man and was very suspicious of his motives , especially concerning finances.

Seems to me all the more reason for her to keep the cell phone close rather than locked outside of the house while she was inside it. Not buying this one. Gotta charge the little sucker sometime.

 

[Just the Fax]

Someone mentioned a possible route from the house to the grocery store he could have made for the dump. This makes sense knowing the neighborhood as I do. He's one street from Cary Parkway, which leads directly to Holly Springs Road. He'd make a right there, then take a left on Fielding. Comes back out the same way, and tehn goes left on Holly Springs Rd. Takes the next right on Lilly Atkins, which is a short cut back to Lochmere Drive and much closer to Kildaire Farm road and Harris Teeter than taking the route back to Cary Parkway toward his home.

What I can't understand is: if the children were home sleeping, then why not go to Lowes grocery which is much, much closer by? Must not be open that early...but he'd have to know that...unless he tried there first. Maybe they have a camera to see if he tried the doors at Lowes.

The HT is just around the corner...where is the Lowes ?

 

[SleuthyGal]

Someone mentioned a possible route from the house to the grocery store he could have made for the dump. This makes sense knowing the neighborhood as I do.

Yes I read about that possible route. I'm very curious if one cell tower covers the entire route (or all possible routes) between the home, the store and the dump site.

 

[Just the Fax]

Seems to me all the more reason for her to keep the cell phone close rather than locked outside of the house while she was inside it. Not buying this one. Gotta charge the little sucker sometime.

Ok, if it was in her car, what does that tell you ?
If it were in the car, it is more likely the 6:40 am call was made from the land line.
If it came from her cell....he is busted if it was in fact in the car.

 

[raisincharlie]

That's very possible. Her purse was in the car. So it could be Jessica just assumed the phone was there too. I can't think why Brad would've told her something like that especially if he'd just staged a phone call with it as part of covering up her murder?

How would Jessica know the purse was in the car, anymore than she would know the phone was in the car, unless she asked ? If she didn't know that why did she tell the dispatcher twice ? Someone IMO told her.

 

[reddress58]

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking

Cell phone tracking tracks the current position of a cell phone. To locate the phone, it must be turned on[1] but does not require an active call. GSM localisation is then done by triangulation based on the signal strength to nearby signal masts.[2]

In order to route calls to your phone the cell towers listen for a signal sent from the phone and negotiate which tower is best able to communicate with the phone. As the phone changes location, the towers monitor the signal and the phone is switched to a different tower as appropriate. By comparing the relative signal strength from multiple towers a general location of a phone can be determined.

A phone's location can be uploaded to a common web site where your "friends and family" can view your last reported position.

Newer phones may have built-in GPS receivers which could be used in a similar fashion, but with much higher accuracy.

Some newer phones and technology may also allow the tracking of the phone even when turned off or, at least, have the microphone activated.[3] Also, phones can have secondary batteries installed to allow tracking even if the battery is removed.

It's very possible the dump site is in different tower area. It is located in Raleigh and not Cary. The town limit of Cary ends at Lochmere Drive. Don't know if that makes a difference or not. Good work, SG!!

 

[panthera]

Someone mentioned a possible route from the house to the grocery store he could have made for the dump. This makes sense knowing the neighborhood as I do. He's one street from Cary Parkway, which leads directly to Holly Springs Road. He'd make a right there, then take a left on Fielding. Comes back out the same way, and tehn goes left on Holly Springs Rd. Takes the next right on Lilly Atkins, which is a short cut back to Lochmere Drive and much closer to Kildaire Farm road and Harris Teeter than taking the route back to Cary Parkway toward his home.

What I can't understand is: if the children were home sleeping, then why not go to Lowes grocery which is much, much closer by? Must not be open that early...but he'd have to know that...unless he tried there first. Maybe they have a camera to see if he tried the doors at Lowes.

Is this the Lowes you're talking about? I noticed 4 of them in Cary.

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=+1]Lowes Foods of Cary [SIZE=-1] (Store No: 196)[/SIZE] [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=-1]Store Address:
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]3480 Kildaire Farm Road
Millpond Village Shopping Center
Cary, NC 27511
[/SIZE][SIZE=-2][SIZE=-1]Store Hours:[/SIZE] Mon-Sun: 6:00am-Midnight [/SIZE]

 

[carolinalady]

Seems to me all the more reason for her to keep the cell phone close rather than locked outside of the house while she was inside it. Not buying this one. Gotta charge the little sucker sometime.

Maybe she uses a car charger?

 

[Just the Fax]

It's very possible the dump site is in different tower area. It is located in Raleigh and not Cary. The town limit of Cary ends at Lochmere Drive. Don't know if that makes a difference or not. Good work, SG!!

The dump site would be the same Alltel tower that is in Cary (US 1 near crossroads)

 

[reddress58]

Seems to me all the more reason for her to keep the cell phone close rather than locked outside of the house while she was inside it. Not buying this one. Gotta charge the little sucker sometime.

Do we know who's car he was in when he went to HT? If she locked her stuff in her car to keep his hands off her stuff, then she would probably keep the keys close to herself. The only way he could get them would be to do something harmful to her.

 

[raisincharlie]

Ok, if it was in her car, what does that tell you ?
If it were in the car, it is more likely the 6:40 am call was made from the land line.
If it came from her cell....he is busted if it was in fact in the car.

Thats what I am thinking. Also if the harris teeter has parking lot cams - LE might get lucky and be able to see one of those cars in the lot that am, real lucky if they do. But if by chance they do and it is the SUV that shows up - he is busted if the call came from her cell.

 

[reddress58]

Is this the Lowes you're talking about? I noticed 4 of them in Cary.

[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=+1]Lowes Foods of Cary [SIZE=-1] (Store No: 196)[/SIZE] [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=-1]Store Address:
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]3480 Kildaire Farm Road
Millpond Village Shopping Center
Cary, NC 27511
[/SIZE][SIZE=-2][SIZE=-1]Store Hours:[/SIZE] Mon-Sun: 6:00am-Midnight [/SIZE]

No. It's on Tryon Rd. Corner of Tryon & Cary Pkwy. Hop, skip & jump from the Coopers.

 

[panthera]

How would Jessica know the purse was in the car, anymore than she would know the phone was in the car, unless she asked ? If she didn't know that why did she tell the dispatcher twice ? Someone IMO told her.

OK, I'll accept that Brad might have told her, so he would have used it to fake the phone call and then put it back in her car to make it look like he hadn't used it? I still can't figure out why Nancy, if she'd really called him, would've put it back in the car and not taken it with her jogging. I'm sorry, but it's just not making sense, imo.

 

[raisincharlie]

Do we know who's car he was in when he went to HT? If she locked her stuff in her car to keep his hands off her stuff, then she would probably keep the keys close to herself. The only way he could get them would be to do something harmful to her.

There was something, and I don't know if it was in an affidavit or where it came from for sure, that Nancy was sleeping in the kids room and kept her keys with her. I don't know the origin of that story, perhaps someone here can define that.