Nancy Grace 9-22 Show - Father of Caseys' ex on tonight!

[Nedthan Johns]

You know what would be really nice? If Caylee was alive and when found she would go directly to the Gund family. NOT the Anthony's. Not that would be a great ending.

 

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

Sorry, my daughter is sick, I had to tend to her real quick! I know what you mean by this.. A lot of people go by nicknames, or their middle names, fathers last name, mothers last name..

I'm sorry that your daughter is feeling under the weather. I hope she recovers quickly.

This case is too hard to decipher.. Right now KC cannot be eliminated as a suspect. I think it is with good reasoning too. Although, I do not think that lie detector tests are always accurate. I wouldn't want to take one if I was worried or getting blamed for something that I didn't do. At the same time, I think that I would take one in a heartbeat if someone I loved was in danger, and LE couldn't look for anyone else because I couldn't be eliminated as a suspect. I think KC only cares about herself, and it is evident during the second interview with LE. She said that she didn't know what to tell her parents, so she went to TL's. Any good mother would have called for help, but she went to hide. That speaks volumes about her character.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

There was a Zenaida A in her graduating class...

Right Casey knew of A Zenida. She went to school with one. Just like the other "friends" she made up, she used names or combinations of names in her stories.

She very well may have mentioned Zenida in 2006. I am beginning to think Casey made up many people and many lies and this has been happening for years

 

[Thinking_Out_Loud]

Right Casey knew of A Zenida. She went to school with one. Just like the other "friends" she made up, she used names or combinations of names in her stories.

She very well may have mentioned Zenida in 2006. I am beginning to think Casey made up many people and many lies and this has been happening for years

Has any of her friends come forward and say that she has made up people before? I was wondering about this earlier. I do not remember anyone saying that. I do, however, remember her friends saying that she would make up stories about work, money, and etc.. It seems to me that she would have been busted at some point. When I was a kid, I used to make up people. I would use the names of people that I heard in random places, and then change different details. I thought she could be doing this, for sure. At the same time, I remember being caught once or twice though..

 

[DAWN TREADER]

It must be emphasized that Casey didn't misplace something like a set of car or house keys that might turn up in a few days. She lost her child! It is incomprehensible that she wasn't concerned enough about Caylee's safety and indeed, her very life, to immediately contact the authorities. The fact she didn't tell a single family member or even a friend that Caylee was missing is also hard to fathom. Personally, I think the whole story is just that - a story. Something Casey made up in an effort to place Caylee in the hands of someone else to explain her "disappearance".

Moo

DT

 

[maza]

This tidbit is respectfully snipped:

I am the daughter of a sociopath, and aunt to another. I agree with this statement. It took me--and this is no exaggeration--almost 40 years to really understand that my father is a sociopath. It took even longer to accept.

Up until then, there were so many red flags that...well, it's quite amazing there was room for anything other than red flags in our lives. But the charm and the manipulation and the "love" were stronger. Every red flag had an explanation. And because we were (*ahem*) "normal," it really was outside our realm of experience to attribute his words and actions to anything other than genuineness; after all, it would never occur to us to behave in outrageously immoral ways.

As time went on, of course, niggling doubts crept in, and it became more difficult to swallow escalating morally depraved behavior. But even then, we WANTED the lies to be true. There was very definitely a protracted period of time during which my siblings and I knew that there was something very wrong, but did not want to believe it because the implications were simply too scary. There also was a good deal of shame involved: shame that we had this depraved person in our family and even deeper shame that we had not been smart enough to figure it out.

What changed everything was an abrupt, severe shift that rendered it unimportant to him that that we bought what he was selling. We first became objects of his wrath, then we were discarded when we were no longer useful.

In other words, he used us until he didn't need to any longer, at which point he turned on us viciously.

I'm sharing this because we're hearing over and over that "The Casey we're seeing today isn't the one we knew." Jesse's father stated this last night. He said that the Casey who watched football with his family just wasn't the same young woman we now see.

I would argue that this is NOT because Casey has become something she wasn't. She always was something she wasn't, because she is a void. She dons the mask best suited to attain what she desires at a particular point in time. She is empty.

Sociopaths often function well and excel. Sometimes, they do so for their entire lives; there are many high-ranking government officials, executives and military officials who are sociopaths. (For more information about this, I recommend The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout, PhD.)

My sisters and I used to joke that we lived with the only person who could walk all over us, and we'd say, "Thank you for the privilege of being abused." This really is a pretty apt description of what it feels like to live with a sociopath.

But the jig is up for Casey, and her sociopathic behavior has become more incredible and therefore more obvious to others. But I'd bet every penny I have that she's been at it her whole life. It's just that many of the people in her life have not had the time and opportunity to start putting two and two together. Everyone reaches that point differently--and some never are able to accept it.

Also, apropos of nothing in particular, because different people enter our lives at different stages, there are always those who continue to think that the sociopath is the cat's pajamas--which helps explain frequent shifts in social circle and superficial relationships. People whose exposure is limited never really see past the mask. And oh---the mask is impeccably applied.

THANK YOU for sharing this! I cannot imagine having a parent who is a sociopath - it would be devastating!! I don't think most people realize how CHARMING and normal-seeming a sociopath can be. Obviously they are very intelligent and very manipulative or they wouldn't be so d*mn dangerous! I also feel that Casey is a sociopath and there have probably been signs her entire life.

 

[yankeesbelle04]

Has any of her friends come forward and say that she has made up people before? I was wondering about this earlier. I do not remember anyone saying that. I do, however, remember her friends saying that she would make up stories about work, money, and etc.. It seems to me that she would have been busted at some point. When I was a kid, I used to make up people. I would use the names of people that I heard in random places, and then change different details. I thought she could be doing this, for sure. At the same time, I remember being caught once or twice though..

The only time I have heard of her making up people is the "Juliette Lewis" and Jeff Hopkins. But, Jeff Hopkins really did exist at some point in her life, though it seems minimal, and Juliette Lewis is an actress..Of course, someone else could have the name Juliette Lewis.

 

[yankeesbelle04]

I'm sorry that your daughter is feeling under the weather. I hope she recovers quickly.

Respectfully snipped!!

Sorry, I overlooked that! Thank you..She has a pretty bad cough, and she has some back teeth coming in, so it makes it a bit harder! She was up all night!

 

[peanut]

I have been thinking about the time frame of the nanny being mentioned to JG's dad, it could be possible. We have talked about Zanny also being another term for Xanax. It was mentioned that KC had asked JG about Xanax while they were engaged.

Here is the link http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html

It's half way down the page about where KC may have made up names.

 

[Chezhire]

I have been a member for a while. (in lurking status)This is my first post and tonight I feel very perplexed.
Something just does not feel right. Mr. Grund stated that Casey spoke of the nanny in 2006, and that she met her thru Jeffery Hopkins that has a kid bye the name of uh,uh,uh. That just seemed very odd. He offered a lot of information that I wouldn't think someone would remember from 2 years ago.
His mannerism just seemed to change. I just cant see Casey saying oh, yes I have a Nanny. I found her thru a friend named Jeffery Hopkins that has a son by the name of .....

There are some very smart people here & I am hoping that I am not the only one that feels that that statement just doesn't seem truthful.

He also has stated that someone put items in Casey's car to frame his son and that CA is trying to say he is responsible. We have not heard such rumors here! (I think WS of all places would have heard about those!) Kinda makes ya go Hmmmmm....doesn't it?!

so here's my take on this line of RG's commentary. His son took a lie detector test and was asked a bunch of questions by LE, presumably including questions about parts of the LE's investigation, such as things that were or may have been in Casey's vehicle, that have NOT been released to us. I gather that JG and RG speak, as parent and child would likely do, and that they are assuming, or have been told, by LE that someone in the Anthony camp is either stating or insuating that JG had something to do with whatever the items may be, etc.

So I don't think any of this is suspect.

 

[maza]

NANCY GRACE TRANSCRIPT:

Father of Casey Anthony`s Ex-Fiance Speaks Out

Aired September 22, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/22/ng.01.html

not real familiar w/ NG- will there be an audio or you tube version of this interview eventually?

 

[Chezhire]

as far as I know......he is the only one saying that they are trying to frame his son

...and he may thus far be the only one who knows what LE asked of his son during the lie detector test and/or was informed of such by LE during or after said lie detector test...and LE has not said a word about JG's lie detector test, which ic certainly LE's prerogative, isn't it?

 

[BeanE]

It must be emphasized that Casey didn't misplace something like a set of car or house keys that might turn up in a few days. She lost her child! It is incomprehensible that she wasn't concerned enough about Caylee's safety and indeed, her very life, to immediately contact the authorities. The fact she didn't tell a single family member or even a friend that Caylee was missing is also hard to fathom. Personally, I think the whole story is just that - a story. Something Casey made up in an effort to place Caylee in the hands of someone else to explain her "disappearance".

Moo

DT

Agreed. The only way it makes sense that she told no one about her baby is if her baby was dead, and she was culpable.

And what you said about a story that would place Caylee in the hands of someone else, yes exactly. If your baby is dead and you're culpable, you need a story putting the baby in someone else's hands. Like S. Smith's carjacker for her baby boys.

 

[Chezhire]

I will watch it again at 1:00 but I didn't here him say later that he had not heard her name. I head him say he answered the door, asked what was going to happen about the babysitting and she said she had found a nanny name zanni through jeffery hopkins.

that's EXACTly what he said!!!

 

[Susanlee]

You know what would be really nice? If Caylee was alive and when found she would go directly to the Gund family. NOT the Anthony's. Not that would be a great ending.

I love your posts, and this was one of your best

 

[Chezhire]

Yes, I am. His son is an adult, and we have seen that he can speak for himself.
His son has shown himself to be available to LE investigators already, as he went directly to them when he first learned of Caylee's disappearence and Casey's charade.
He submitted to a polygraph.
Both he and his father have shown themselves to be caring and concerned individuals.
They have shown more human compassion and emotion over the welfare of Caylee than anyone in the entire Anthony family.

I'm in agreement with you, Sweetmop.

 

[CrimeBella]

I have been thinking about the time frame of the nanny being mentioned to JG's dad, it could be possible. We have talked about Zanny also being another term for Xanax. It was mentioned that KC had asked JG about Xanax while they were engaged.

Here is the link http://www.wftv.com/news/17497948/detail.html

It's half way down the page about where KC may have made up names.

This book is about twins, telepathy, Zanny the Nanny etc, solving mysteries etc. I've heard that this book was in the Anthony home but I'm not sure. It would not have been for Caylee, but maybe Casey read it as a teenager as it looks like it went to paperback in 1991.

http://www.amazon.com/Double-Trouble-Squared-Starbuck-Adventure/dp/0152241272

 

[Chezhire]

I'm the minority, but I don't trust RG's motives. I'm sure he cared about Caylee, but he knew for all but 8 weeks of her life that she's not his grand daughter and probably never really believed it to begin with. It just doesn't seem right to tell on national tv that a grown man was snooping on myspace and was the first one to catch his son's girlfriend cheating. I think RG holds big grudges against Casey and Cindy and this is the perfect chance to bring it all out and make digs. He enjoyed telling that too much.

It just doesn't seem right to tell on national tv that a grown man was snooping on myspace and was the first one to catch his son's girlfriend cheating.

It does tell me that no matter how nice he claims Casey was back then, there was something 'not so nice' that caused him to want to *snoop*.

:waitasec:I dunno - some parents snoop because they snoop, so maybe he is just a snooper to begin with and it had nothing to do with Casey and her antics...

 

[Chezhire]

Sorry folks - add me to the list of not trusting RG. Although Jesse seems sincere (although very naive if you ask me) RG seems to have some other motive. Am wondering - do Nancy Grace and Geraldo pay for their guests to come on?

could be, except that for it to matter re: what the substance of what RG says, we'd have to believe that these talk shows ONLY pay for the guests IF the guests will be able to say certain things, which I don't think is the case with RG - everyone would want to hear him speak at this juncture in the case, regardless of what he will or won't be able to say, right?

 

[Chezhire]

That's weird because if you watch the interview with JG and Geraldo, JG said he only heard the name of Zanny this earlier in 2008. Plus, I've seen JG's dad on an interview with a local network, here, in FL, and he said that he had never heard the name.

Hey - do we have a link for this so I don't have to go through listenting to all of them in the threads about interviews? pretty please?