RatHole
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IMO those are bad parentsSo, parents are still sending their kids there for 'intake'? And they haven't pulled their kids out, after the death of a camper?
JMO
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IMO those are bad parentsSo, parents are still sending their kids there for 'intake'? And they haven't pulled their kids out, after the death of a camper?
JMO
It actually sounds from ^^^ that juveniles were involved? Or is it that sheriff went looking for all juveniles for a count to make sure they were safe?I smell the aroma of arrests coming. Things happening at that camp sounds like the treatment of children has been abusive and inhumane beyond our own comprehension.
AUG 2021 - repeatedly cited
Child at age 14 dropped off by parents
New inspection finds more problems at wilderness therapy camp for kids, teens
This link includes also info on how poorly credentialed, paid, and trained staff were. Note: it was State senators, not national congress.I would be most interested to read about the Congressional investigation into this camp. Could you supply a link? Thanks
This case involves families with parents are shelling out up to $1,000 a day out of pocket for Carolina Trails. I would imagine insurance doesn't cover any of that, but cost doesn't seem to be a concern.I believe these programs are all short term stabilization programs, you will be lucky if insurance will cover 7-14 days.
I was looking for the Senate letter and transcripts of the hearing. I think it's important to look at the entire enquiry and the outcome.This link includes also info on how poorly credentialed, paid, and trained staff were. Note: it was State senators, not national congress.
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‘It’s beyond cruel’: Inside an N.C. wilderness therapy program for teens
Trails Carolina, a wilderness therapy camp in the mountains of North Carolina, advertises itself as a place to help children. But interviews with former participants, staff and parents who have sent their children to the camp suggest it may do the opposite.www.wbtv.com
I suspect that the "muscle" employed at (and also used outside) the camp is not listed on the site.
Agree, they need the stabilization but then does the family have money to private pay for residential care. It is RARELY covered by insurance and a child living in a hospital setting for months is not a healing environment
That’s also my understanding. They were withholding not only the names and current location of the children that were present in the cabin where the child died, but they were also refusing to provide the names, addresses, and phone numbers of the parents of the campers. And they weren’t only withholding that information from the local law enforcement agencies investigating the incident but also from the state social workers (which I’m not sure is 100% legal). When children are exposed to traumatic events, social workers have the right and responsibility to interview children in a safe and secure environment away from the potential influence of their parents.It actually sounds from ^^^ that juveniles were involved? Or is it that sheriff went looking for all juveniles for a count to make sure they were safe?
I wonder if, when Carolina Trails called parents for permission for kids to meet with LE, they actually explained the exact situation?
Can't LE call parents directly for permission before they interview kids? Why would Carolina Trails officials be charged with doing that when presumably, for being the "buck stops here" officials, they are under scrutiny as potentially involved?
Oh, I get it. Camp officials wouldn't tell LE the kids' last names, only the first. It seems to me, LE has authority to have full names. I'm saying this on the grounds that DCF would have full names if someone called in a tip. Investigators are entitled to know, correct?
I'm not sure we know what position the child was in. On your back with knees towards the sky seems a kind of odd position to pass away naturally in. He was tied maybe?Isn't the position the child was in when medics arrived indicates he's flat on his back with his knees bent and pointing towards the sky? Were his feet planted on the ground? Or was this more of a fetal position?
Maybe this child shivered, then froze to death outdoors? His death happened so suddenly upon arrival who knows what verbal criticisms he heard after being stripped from his own clothes so he could wear the camp issued uniform. It's tragic for him, his parents and all of loved him. Plus, my sympathies are with the remaining campers.
This is what I thought. And I believe LE would have an obligation to verify the whereabouts of all the kids. That's kind of a wellness check. It seems VERY unlikely parents wouldn't want LE to do that, given what happened.That’s also my understanding. They were withholding not only the names and current location of the children that were present in the cabin where the child died, but they were also refusing to provide the names, addresses, and phone numbers of the parents of the campers. And they weren’t only withholding that information from the local law enforcement agencies investigating the incident but also from the state social workers (which I’m not sure is 100% legal). When children are exposed to traumatic events, social workers have the right and responsibility to interview children in a safe and secure environment away from the potential influence of their parents.
I would be interested if this was a step parent...involved...
I know a lot of people who work at these residential therapeutic schools. There are some great ones, and some that are terrible. If anyone is going to put their child in a school like this, they should go do an in person visit, review the credentials of the staff, and get recommendations from other parents or professionals in the area.
Reading about this case, these parents had their own child kidnapped. This is part of the million-dollar 'troubled teen' industry when parents have their own children taken to residential treatment camps and centers against their will. A friend of mine wrote a book about it, shockingly, this is NOT illegal.How desperate parents must be to choose to do this and to pay this amount of money.
WHAT are these children doing. What are the backgrounds?
Having raised only one fairly "good" child, I can't even imagine behavior that would cause a parent to consider such a camp. Do any of the interviews/stories focus on discussion of what might lead parents to make this horrifying decision. Because surely, parents are torn apart to have reached this point. . .
What do kids who have been sent to these camps acknowledge they did that led their parents to even consider such an extreme measure? Will they discuss/ are they capable of discussing their own behavior in any rational way?
What can possibly push parents to even consider this for a child?
But they DO give the name of transport companies to the family and highly encourage working with one.I read a former employee say that the "Transport" is a separate company that provide the snatching service that parents hire themselves. Apparently the camp discourages it (I'm sure they do).
I don't have a link so this is MOO
Insurance doesn't pay for this camp at all, it says so on their website, so these parents that have $715 a day for an average stay of 85 days probably have the means for private mental health treatment. JMO
I'm not sure we know what position the child was in. On your back with knees towards the sky seems a kind of odd position to pass away naturally in. He was tied maybe?
I'll bet they weren't even issued jackets or anything like that. Maybe just cotton sweatshirts? It's been very rainy there.
This is all so horrible.
**After reading the article: The immediate interventions that Dept of Health & Human Services requires for the facility make this seem pretty clear that there is concern about the inappropriate use of restraints, along with the requirement to no longer use "Bivy bags" (what seem similar to tents?) effective immediately. It seems like there is suspicion for inappropriate restraint use potentially leading to his death.
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I am familiar with these situations.
"Taken by two men" meaning his parents either hired (or they were provided by the Wilderness camp) secured transportation to make sure that he got to the camp. Wilderness therapy camp is like residential treatment, but far more hardcore. Substance abuse issues, behavioral issues, mental illness... things that the family hasn't been able to get "under control" at home.
You earn privileges and small rewards based on time there and good behavior. In the beginning, especially given that this kid was only there for a day or two, it is bare bones. No electronics, communication with the outside world, and potentially even isolation from the other people in the camp for the first week or so.
My first thought is suicide or overdose, but who knows his history? The fact that he was reportedly assigned to a cabin with other minors and staff makes me feel like that is less but who knows?
"Bivy bags" (what seem similar to tents?)