GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[Dumbfounded2]

I feel your pain, kittythehare. Lots of frustration with this case.

Since 1996 in the US, we have something called the HIPAA law. You can read about it here:

http://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/

This law makes it extremely difficult to dig up medical records. The law is so specific, that as a patient, you must give a medical professional permission to call you on the phone, and permission to leave a message on a recording device, or with a family member.

I hope this helps, the above link should answer more questions.

Feel everyone's pain. More questions than answers, right now. But please know that without a doubt that most if not all of our questions will be answered. The truth can only be hidden for a very, very short time. There is NO law that will ever change that. We have learned more just this past minth than we knew since August 2nd when Jason was murdered. Let's continue to seek the truth knowing that Justice will be served. I have faith in that Davidson County LE will do their best to bring light to this horrendous violent murder. No doubt about that.

 

[kittythehare]

Feel everyone's pain. More questions than answers, right now. But please know that without a doubt that most if not all of our questions will be answered. The truth can only be hidden for a very, very short time. There is NO law that will ever change that. We have learned more just this past minth than we knew since August 2nd when Jason was murdered. Let's continue to seek the truth knowing that Justice will be served. I have faith in that Davidson County LE will do their best to bring light to this horrendous violent murder. No doubt about that.

they may well be the best intentioned police force in the world, but do they have adequate resources to outsmart some fairly serious opposition to the truth?
If they have, thats a first.
The answers will only come if we keep actively searching for them.
I believe thats how we can best help the Corbetts and I believe they deserve this type of help.. but I am very conscious its not a movie theatre and we are merely being entertained here.
How can we best help?
Via sleuthing.

 

[stmarysmead]

Justice for Jason demands that a civil suit for wrongful death be filed regardless of the criminal case. It really does.

A civil attorney (who will share in the damages) would provide for excellent private detective work. Remember how they found that picture of OJ in the Bruno Magli shoes?


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[kittythehare]

Justice for Jason demands that a civil suit for wrongful death be filed regardless of the criminal case. It really does.

A civil attorney (who will share in the damages) would provide for excellent private detective work. Remember how they found that picture of OJ in the Bruno Magli shoes?


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yes, way to go.

 

[Electric Sheep]

“It’s one thing to tell a lie about an average citizen. It’s another to tell a lie about a sworn US federal agent.”

Sounds like an attempt to intimidate the witness to me. Or complete delusion.

 

[stmarysmead]

Molly is posting on FB again.


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[kittythehare]

Molly is posting on FB again.


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this will be the #LithiumNarrative
DV must be ineffective..
Well spotted you
Thanks
Now, just so I dont have to make another post, does anybody know if a civil case can be initiated before the criminal case closes, or must one wait?

 

[stmarysmead]

Some good information here. Looks like it would be a slam dunk...easy win for Corbetts. The estate files the suit.

Wrongful Death Damages

Damages in a wrongful death claim -- categories of losses for which a survivor might be able to receive compensation -- include:

the deceased person's pre-death pain and suffering - called a survival claim in a wrongful death case.
the medical costs that the deceased victim incurred as a result of the injury prior to death
funeral and burial costs
loss of the deceased person's expected income
loss of any inheritance as a result of the death
value of the services that the deceased would have provided
loss of care, guidance, and nurturing that the deceased would have provided
loss of love and companionship, and
loss of consortium.




http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/personal-injury/how-wrongful-death-lawsuit-works.html



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[stmarysmead]

They must file within two years. I wonder if the Corbetts know. Has this been discussed on their FB page?



"The statute of limitations in North Carolina for a wrongful death claim is two years, which is measured from the date of the victim’s death. Nonetheless, because the action is derivative, the claim must be brought within the time period during which the victim could have brought a claim for injuries, had they lived. If the action would be barred by the statute of limitations if the victim were still alive and had sued, then a wrongful death claim based on those injuries also will be barred. For example, if the victim were injured in an accident but lingered for four or five years and then died from those injuries, the claim would be time-barred by the applicable three year statute of limitations for negligence actions.

For a wrongful death claim to be viable, it must brought within the two year statute of limitations for wrongful death actions (measuring from the victim’s date of death), and within the applicable statutes of limitations for a claim alleging the infliction of the injuries causing death, measured by whether the injured person, if still alive, could have brought that claim. In rare cases and on unusual facts, it is possible that a wrongful death claim could be brought more than two years after the victim’s death as, for example, where there was no estate administered because the decedent left no property, but had a minor child. It is possible that the child’s claim for the wrongful death of the parent would be tolled until the child reached the age of majority."


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[kittythehare]

I still don't understand, how, if MM was being choked her father could hear this if he was down in the basement bedroom? Surely the very fact that someone had their hands around your neck and was choking you would cut off any 'screams', or at least would muffle them significantly. How then did TM hear MM and realise she was being in his words choked by Jason?

The family appear to be acting with impunity, the continued posting of the children's photos by the family, friends and supporter's of MM on social media, in direct violation of the children's privacy (many of the posters are total strangers to MM), with total disregard to child endangerment laws, and in total disrespect to the children's legal guardians wishes. Regarding the removal of items from the house, why if there was already a Court Order in place why did MM not request specific permission from the Court to enter the house and remove her own personal items, instead of having family, friends and lawyers do so on her behalf, leading to another hearing in relation to this? My only wish is that justice will be received by Jason, his children and his long suffering family. His family have demonstrated nothing but dignity throughout this horrendous ordeal, a dignity glaringly lacking within the Martens family.

Its possible it had been placed on the market prior to the freeze orders.. she needs lots of money all the time for some strange reason..
I doubt anybody could have heard a choke gurgle even from a room away.. think she probably flew into a rage, or its possible jason confronted them all earlier that evening..
Could be that the 'fight' was between Jason and TM, but clearly there was no fight, they were uninjured.
back to actual time of death or incapacitation..

 

[Electric Sheep]

I doubt anybody could have heard a choke gurgle even from a room away.. think she probably flew into a rage, or its possible jason confronted them all earlier that evening..
Could be that the 'fight' was between Jason and TM, but clearly there was no fight, they were uninjured.
back to actual time of death or incapacitation..

If, as per the narrative, Jason was shouting "I'm going to kill you", that would be easy enough to hear.

I think I know what the spin will be. The story will go like this:

After suffering years of physical and emotional abuse from Jason, Molly decided to leave. She had gained knowledge and confidence from volunteering at the domestic violence group, and felt she needed to protect the children from Jason and take them with her. As we all know, the most dangerous time for a person in an abusive relationship is when they try to leave. She called her parents and they were going to help her pack up her things and take Molly and the kids to their home. Molly tells Jason she is leaving in the morning, he flies into a rage and tries to kill her, Tom intervenes, it takes both of them to subdue Jason, and he ends up dead.

It is quite believable, people end up dead in such leaving scenarios all too frequently. However, the actual evidence contradicts the story. I have a hunch that this will be the defense, though, they will hope that a jury will have sympathy for Molly and ignore the forensics. I don't think it will work, but we shall see.

 

[Frizby]

If, as per the narrative, Jason was shouting "I'm going to kill you", that would be easy enough to hear.

I think I know what the spin will be. The story will go like this:

After suffering years of physical and emotional abuse from Jason, Molly decided to leave. She had gained knowledge and confidence from volunteering at the domestic violence group, and felt she needed to protect the children from Jason and take them with her. As we all know, the most dangerous time for a person in an abusive relationship is when they try to leave. She called her parents and they were going to help her pack up her things and take Molly and the kids to their home. Molly tells Jason she is leaving in the morning, he flies into a rage and tries to kill her, Tom intervenes, it takes both of them to subdue Jason, and he ends up dead.

It is quite believable, people end up dead in such leaving scenarios all too frequently. However, the actual evidence contradicts the story. I have a hunch that this will be the defense, though, they will hope that a jury will have sympathy for Molly and ignore the forensics. I don't think it will work, but we shall see.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if they try this, sure even the Uncle or maybe it was the lawyer paving the way when he said that Jason would not given her custody of the children saying it was his way of making sure MM would not leave him.


Edit - It was the Lawyer who said this.

David Freedman acknowledged that there were "problems in the marriage"."Jason was the one who chose Molly to be the mother for the children. He was the one who entrusted her with the children, he was the one who married her, she was the one who was around the children 24 hours a day. He clearly thought she was a very good mother," he said.

He couldn't say why Jason did not consent to Molly adopting the children, although he did speculate that it was one way of keeping her from leaving, as she was attached to the children.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...o-ireland-that-never-took-place-31470861.html

 

[kittythehare]

If, as per the narrative, Jason was shouting "I'm going to kill you", that would be easy enough to hear.

I think I know what the spin will be. The story will go like this:


After suffering years of physical and emotional abuse from Jason, Molly decided to leave. She had gained knowledge and confidence from volunteering at the domestic violence group, and felt she needed to protect the children from Jason and take them with her. As we all know, the most dangerous time for a person in an abusive relationship is when they try to leave. She called her parents and they were going to help her pack up her things and take Molly and the kids to their home. Molly tells Jason she is leaving in the morning, he flies into a rage and tries to kill her, Tom intervenes, it takes both of them to subdue Jason, and he ends up dead.

It is quite believable, people end up dead in such leaving scenarios all too frequently. However, the actual evidence contradicts the story. I have a hunch that this will be the defense, though, they will hope that a jury will have sympathy for Molly and ignore the forensics. I don't think it will work, but we shall see.

Where did you see the 'I am going to kill you' narrative?
She had plenty of opportunity to leave, she could have packed up and left with the children any day he was at work.
Its not as though she was a prisoner, except to her own jaded psychoses

 

[stmarysmead]

Yes, she could have left any day...picked up the children at school, gone to her parents, gotten a lawyer...and remember, she had that credit card.

Why did she bring the children back to the house that night if she was so afraid that she had to call her parents. That story won't jell with the loving stepMommy persona.


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[stmarysmead]

One thing an abused fearful woman does not do is ridicule her abuser in front of witnesses when she knows she must go home with him alone.

One thing an abused fearful wife does not do us bring her children BACK to the house at 11PM if she's trying to protect them on the very night she is announcing her get away.

One thing the parents do not do if their daughter is being abused...is go to bed in the abuser's house and leave her alone with him in the abusers bedroom. Why wasn't she sleeping on the floor of their room to be "protected?"

Nothing in that house was worth putting herself and the kids in danger. An abused wife thinks about property, clothes, etc later . You get out....not bring others, unless it's 4-5 Navy Seals...into a dangerous situation, particularly your 60-something parents.

She was going to have to fight for the kids one way or the other. Whether Jason was dead or alive. So her education on abusive relationships should have taught her that you get yourself and the kids out first.

Molly's story is absurd.

All my opinion only


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[Electric Sheep]

Where did you see the 'I am going to kill you' narrative?
She had plenty of opportunity to leave, she could have packed up and left with the children any day he was at work.
Its not as though she was a prisoner, except to her own jaded psychoses

It was in the 911 call.

 

[kittythehare]

One thing an abused fearful woman does not do is ridicule her abuser in front of witnesses when she knows she must go home with him alone.

One thing an abused fearful wife does not do us bring her children BACK to the house at 11PM if she's trying to protect them on the very night she is announcing her get away.

One thing the parents do not do if their daughter is being abused...is go to bed in the abuser's house and leave her alone with him in the abusers bedroom. Why wasn't she sleeping on the floor of their room to be "protected?"

Nothing in that house was worth putting herself and the kids in danger. An abused wife thinks about property, clothes, etc later . You get out....not bring others, unless it's 4-5 Navy Seals...into a dangerous situation, particularly your 60-something parents.

She was going to have to fight for the kids one way or the other. Whether Jason was dead or alive. So her education on abusive relationships should have taught her that you get yourself and the kids out first.

Molly's story is absurd.

All my opinion only


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Absolutely correct.
Now, what COULD have happened was that he could have received another ridiculously high credit card bill in the mail and said, as Irish people do lightly @i will kill you if you dont stop running up bills' or 'I'll kill you for this'

Its used in jest or to express exasperation.
In an actual murder attempt they often dont mention their intentions, particularly if they are really angry, they just do it.
But it is a phrase that is used in everyday parlance in Ireland.
She would have been familiar with it.

Or, she could have phoned parents and mentioned she had run the credit card off the Richter scale again and said she was afraid he would kill her for it..

Context is everything.

 

[stmarysmead]

The expression is used in the same fashion in the US. But I do not even believe Jason said that. The Martens need a story that explains why TM was in his son-in-law's bedroom at 3AM...when his son-in-law is naked.

So there has to be this shout out that resonates downstairs to the guest room and wakes him from his slumber. That had to be quite a shout! I wonder if they will go to the house and see how loud one needs to bellow to be heard in that guest room.

Another question. If Darling Molly was in mortal danger why did her Mother stay downstairs? Would you?

Don't forget the lie about the baseball bat. The two murder weapons had to be retrieved from outside the bedroom. Even if they lie and say a bat and brick were laying around the bedroom, would any sane woman who was often abused sleep in a room where her abuser had access to such weapons? Jason was not using them on her or TM.

Which leads me to wonder what the coroner will say about the timing of Jason's overkill injuries. Was this ever a "fair fight" just to stop Jason from choking Molly. If do, how strange that he was never able to disarm a small woman or an old man from the bat? He's so big and dangerous bit they can easily beat him mercilessly to death?

I still think he was asleep or rendered near unconscious with the first ambush blow.





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[Just the Fax]

Made for TV, for sure.
Said she was bipolar. No doubt she has mental illness reading her Facebook page...totally OBSESSED with the kids, especially the little girl.

I think she called her parants to come from Tennessee, saying she was afraid for her life. She needed a witness for self defense lie. She got the bat from garage (dad lied he brought that day as gift) and beat him to death in the middle of the night ....wanting him gone and she would get kids...her total obsession. The dad came up when he heard screams. He decided to take the blame using the choking story, knowing the she went bat crazy and would be arrested for 1st degree murder.
Since he fell on sword for her with that story, hard to prove 1st degree for her, so both charged with 2nd degree ( malice) as well as voluntary manslaughter(no malice). The second charge gives jury an alternative if they can't agree.

 

[Francesca]

If, as per the narrative, Jason was shouting "I'm going to kill you", that would be easy enough to hear.

I think I know what the spin will be. The story will go like this:

After suffering years of physical and emotional abuse from Jason, Molly decided to leave. She had gained knowledge and confidence from volunteering at the domestic violence group, and felt she needed to protect the children from Jason and take them with her. As we all know, the most dangerous time for a person in an abusive relationship is when they try to leave. She called her parents and they were going to help her pack up her things and take Molly and the kids to their home. Molly tells Jason she is leaving in the morning, he flies into a rage and tries to kill her, Tom intervenes, it takes both of them to subdue Jason, and he ends up dead.

It is quite believable, people end up dead in such leaving scenarios all too frequently. However, the actual evidence contradicts the story. I have a hunch that this will be the defense, though, they will hope that a jury will have sympathy for Molly and ignore the forensics. I don't think it will work, but we shall see.

If this is their scenario, the prosecution already has some effective witnesses lined up. Testifying against the physical and emotional abuse, the friends from dinner on Friday night where Molly taunted Jason about his weight; testifying that it was Jason, not Molly, who was about to leave, the expert who can show that Jason changed his travel plans on Friday night/ Saturday because he was taking the kids back to Ireland. Jason's rage, needing two people to "subdue" him can be addressed by the physical evidence of the attack.
Also, if they came racing over that night because they feared for her safety and the kids' safety, why didn't they just leave?
LIGHTBULB MOMENT! Didn't Molly pick up the kids from a friend's at 11pm that night? Maybe she and her parents were trying to sneak the kids out of the house in the middle of the night and Jason woke up?? That would explain the panic and overkill by both father and daughter. And it would also explain why the whole family is so invested in getting the kids back and insisting these kids are "family" - it is the only way they can justify the overkill under those circumstances.