GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #4

[Truthalways]

But remember there was also the paving slab/rock/block thing which I think was a lot heavier.
I know we discussed the bat in the early days cos I remember needing a description and some exercises were carried out regarding velocity and weight.. I do not remember ever seeing a full description of the other implement, however.
Now FBI agents are issued with lifelong carry permits.
Did TM have his gun on the night in question and if so why did he choose a bat? Reaching for a gun would be more standard practice for a trained member that searching for a bat. A gun, if raised and pointed at a perp would have given the perp a chance to cease choking while chatting with TM, multitasking is admirable, but few will retain the skills with a gun pointed in their direction, they are more likely to stop what they are doing or alternatively attempt to carry on and die trying.
I do not recall seeing any documents stating he was or was not armed or whether anybody in the house had a carry permit or whether any guns were removed from the premises following the murder

Good point. No mention of TM having another weapon on him.

My problem with the brick/slab is that its been reported as both and all we have speculated on before was the picture of paving bricks outside the home and the fact they were said to have recently built a wall.

I do know that pavers can weigh anywhere from 2.5 kg to 30kg il have another comb through autopsy. Head injuries caused by blunt force trauma can show signs in the areas of avulsion of the weapon used. The shape of the weapon can be indicated at the point of impact. In autopsy they talk slot about "linear" marks.


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[kittythehare]

Is it possible that most of the injuries came from the paving stone? Could MM have bashed him in the back of the head as he slept?

We have only TM's word to believe that this started with a bat.

Those of you with some medical background, could that be a diversion? Could the two head wounds have come first...from the paving stone...as he slept in his bed?

Yes.
Likely.

 

[kittythehare]

Good point. No mention of TM having another weapon on him.

My problem with the brick/slab is that its been reported as both and all we have speculated on before was the picture of paving bricks outside the home and the fact they were said to have recently built a wall.

I do know that pavers can weigh anywhere from 2.5 kg to 30kg il have another comb through autopsy. Head injuries caused by blunt force trauma can show signs in the areas of avulsion of the weapon used. The shape of the weapon can be indicated at the point of impact. In autopsy they talk slot about "linear" marks.


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yeah, we just dont know exactly whether 'linear' is imprint of weapon or resultant fracture line.. point of impact could be somewhat distal from site of blow, but if blow occurred on a suture line, like sagital suture- image link is for a newborn

https://www.google.ie/search?q=diag...=ArhnWcHfDcGNgAba96m4DQ#imgrc=fL2s1OnavLKEAM:

but could dislocate in a linear movement.. not sure.. velocity and weight of implement would have a bearing..

 

[Truthalways]

Is it possible that most of the injuries came from the paving stone? Could MM have bashed him in the back of the head as he slept?

We have only TM's word to believe that this started with a bat.

Those of you with some medical background, could that be a diversion? Could the two head wounds have come first...from the paving stone...as he slept in his bed?

That's the theory I have always held onto. But I don't believe he was asleep. They had been out front with friends that day, martens arrived late evening kids didnt come home until 11.

Go back to previous night. Jason left event alone because of MM fat shaming. So he goes home she follows and if we are to look at the fact that she felt confidence enough to call him names and disgrace herself in front of friends I think she was either drunk or bi polar high something was giving her that false confidence to let the mask slip in front of friends, she doesn't make mistakes like that. So she follows him home she does a Keith Mcginn on him, keeping him up refusing to let him walk away from the one woman show. Her energy high, throwing more insults anc by her socisl media posts alone we know her tongue can cut like a knife. Did she bring up mags? His weight? His family? Her rumoured new love??

He tells her that night he's had enough, he's going home, he's been planning it, he can't take anymore. She's engulfed with rage particularly about the fact he's been planning it for months, a typical VICTIM standing up to the BULLY moment. She's left shocked.

Next day shes coming down from her false high. She tries to gain control again, manipulating Jason talking him round. Happy housewife out front chatting to the neighbours. During the evening s neighbour asks Jason has he been back home he tells them no but him and the kids are hoping to get back for a holiday soon. She hears him panics he's not doing what he usually would he's following through on his plan. She calls mother in a panic she's paranoid she needs them to come talk to Jason. They know by her voice it's another one of her crisis. They head to panther creek chat to Jason have a beer kids are brought home. Things have calmed dad reassures her. He rejects her again upstairs and her little ole country girl act. perhaps because he's had enough perhaps because of a derogatory comment. She hits him from above with a weapon to the face disorientated blinded by blood fractured eye sockets and nose he pushes her off leaves the bed and she continues the attack

I go back then to my earlier post where IMO TM did intervene when he heard JC screams of pain. But IMO by the time he got up there she was finished hence his shock on seeing the injuries, hence MM out of breath TM not and TM didn't seem to know anything about a paving stone so my opinion is the story was pulled together quick and ambulance called.

He said he was going to kill me

Just my opinions and thoughts not to be taken as fact.

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[Electric Sheep]

I've had more dealings with those who suffer from bipolar disorder than I would wish. Delusions can be very deeply held, and when expressing those delusions the sufferer can be very convincing. I wonder if it is possible that Molly suffered from delusions that Jason had killed his first wife, and would kill her. She may have convinced her parents that this was true as well, or at least they might have been half convinced. She may genuinely have believed herself to be in a "kill or be killed" situation.

 

[stmarysmead]

That's the theory I have always held onto. But I don't believe he was asleep. They had been out front with friends that day, martens arrived late evening kids didnt come home until 11.

Go back to previous night. Jason left event alone because of MM fat shaming. So he goes home she follows and if we are to look at the fact that she felt confidence enough to call him names and disgrace herself in front of friends I think she was either drunk or bi polar high something was giving her that false confidence to let the mask slip in front of friends, she doesn't make mistakes like that. So she follows him home she does a Keith Mcginn on him, keeping him up refusing to let him walk away from the one woman show. Her energy high, throwing more insults anc by her socisl media posts alone we know her tongue can cut like a knife. Did she bring up mags? His weight? His family? Her rumoured new love??

He tells her that night he's had enough, he's going home, he's been planning it, he can't take anymore. She's engulfed with rage particularly about the fact he's been planning it for months, a typical VICTIM standing up to the BULLY moment. She's left shocked.

Next day shes coming down from her false high. She tries to gain control again, manipulating Jason talking him round. Happy housewife out front chatting to the neighbours. During the evening s neighbour asks Jason has he been back home he tells them no but him and the kids are hoping to get back for a holiday soon. She hears him panics he's not doing what he usually would he's following through on his plan. She calls mother in a panic she's paranoid she needs them to come talk to Jason. They know by her voice it's another one of her crisis. They head to panther creek chat to Jason have a beer kids are brought home. Things have calmed dad reassures her. He rejects her again upstairs and her little ole country girl act. perhaps because he's had enough perhaps because of a derogatory comment. She hits him from above with a weapon to the face disorientated blinded by blood fractured eye sockets and nose he pushes her off leaves the bed and she continues the attack

I go back then to my earlier post where IMO TM did intervene when he heard JC screams of pain. But IMO by the time he got up there she was finished hence his shock on seeing the injuries, hence MM out of breath TM not and TM didn't seem to know anything about a paving stone so my opinion is the story was pulled together quick and ambulance called.

He said he was going to kill me

Just my opinions and thoughts not to be taken as fact.

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Excellent post.

A few questions...it's been so long since we had many of these discussions.

Do we know which adult picked up the children? That is so late...it's curious to me. I can't imagine disturbing the neighbors at that hour...or interrupting a planned sleepover. But was it planned? I wonder if one of the adults asked if the neighbors would take the kids?

But why bring them back if the house was in turmoil? Unless the adults thought it would placate Molly.

Was Molly outside socializing with the neighbors as well? Would this have been before or after someone summoned the parents...figuring in the 4 hour travel time?

 

[kittythehare]

I only saw reports of Jason socialising.
I am not clear what time the parents were called or the context discussed.
I remember hearing, though not sure I read it, that molly unexpectedly drove or walked to collect the kids, disrupting the sleepover plan, which would suggest she was well into her tantrum after her parents arrived. I think Jason may have organised the sleepover. I have no idea whether this was a regular event or even if he did it to protect the kids every time she was 'on a one'.
I'm not sure of exact time they were collected either and I mistrust media reports in this regard. Hopefully police do know.

 

[Truthalways]

Excellent post.

A few questions...it's been so long since we had many of these discussions.

Do we know which adult picked up the children? That is so late...it's curious to me. I can't imagine disturbing the neighbors at that hour...or interrupting a planned sleepover. But was it planned? I wonder if one of the adults asked if the neighbors would take the kids?

But why bring them back if the house was in turmoil? Unless the adults thought it would placate Molly.

Was Molly outside socializing with the neighbors as well? Would this have been before or after someone summoned the parents...figuring in the 4 hour travel time?

I think the house was calm when kids came home reportedly at 11pm.

After the Martens arrived I'd say there was sit down with a beer and some food chats with Jason and tm and then all 4. MM probably felt her parents had fixed things they were going to make it all ok talk sense to Jason.

In a false sense of security that his plans were diverted and all was as it should be again, she collected the kids last minute so that they could seebher parents before their next morning return to Tennessee.

She thought she had won control back at some stage of the night IMO but the difference this time was that Jason may have been talking her talk but knowing he was still leaving and in rejecting her she realised it was an act all her work that her parents visit nothing had worked

She snapped. Take control from a bully and they snap because they don't know how to handle not being in control. She ground this man down for years with no consequences. He was letting her know she was going to face some. An alien prospect for a girl who was chastised by neither parents nor partner for years.


All only opinions of mine

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[Truthalways]

I only saw reports of Jason socialising.
I am not clear what time the parents were called or the context discussed.
I remember hearing, though not sure I read it, that molly unexpectedly drove or walked to collect the kids, disrupting the sleepover plan, which would suggest she was well into her tantrum after her parents arrived. I think Jason may have organised the sleepover. I have no idea whether this was a regular event or even if he did it to protect the kids every time she was 'on a one'.
I'm not sure of exact time they were collected either and I mistrust media reports in this regard. Hopefully police do know.

Agree, we can't be 100% sure of times. Could and most probably am off on a lot of facts in that post but it's a picture I've built without all the info we are to gain next week.

I do remember neighbours that were interviewed by media said they had spoke to both MM and JC that day, he seemed relaxed and his normal easy going self and it was a spontaneous gathering.

Their witness testimony if called will give us a picture of her demeanour in particular.

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[Truthalways]

I've had more dealings with those who suffer from bipolar disorder than I would wish. Delusions can be very deeply held, and when expressing those delusions the sufferer can be very convincing. I wonder if it is possible that Molly suffered from delusions that Jason had killed his first wife, and would kill her. She may have convinced her parents that this was true as well, or at least they might have been half convinced. She may genuinely have believed herself to be in a "kill or be killed" situation.

Hopefully there will be full disclosure of her medical history in court it will taint the defences claims immensly if revealed she was actively medicating for mental illness or it wasn't a condition that was under control under the care of her doctor.

Moo



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[stmarysmead]

Hopefully there will be full disclosure of her medical history in court it will taint the defences claims immensly if revealed she was actively medicating for mental illness or it wasn't a condition that was under control under the care of her doctor.

Moo



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Not sure what of her medical history can or cannot come in.

http://www.ncmedsoc.org/non_members/public_resources/2008 Final M-L Guidelines.pdf

Under federal and state law, information about an individual‟s substance abuse or mental health diagnosis or treatment can be a trap for the unwary litigator seeking this information as well as for the physician or health care facility holding the information. Protected information includes any information about an individual, whether or not the information is in writing or recorded in some other form, and includes the patient‟s identity, address, medical or treatment information, and all communications by the patient to program staff.25 The facility is prohibited from even acknowledging whether the individual is or ever was a patient at the facility.26

 

[kittythehare]

does anybody know how to search ? Looking for older posts and its frustrating?

 

[Truthalways]

Not sure what of her medical history can or cannot come in.

http://www.ncmedsoc.org/non_members/public_resources/2008 Final M-L Guidelines.pdf

Under federal and state law, information about an individual‟s substance abuse or mental health diagnosis or treatment can be a trap for the unwary litigator seeking this information as well as for the physician or health care facility holding the information. Protected information includes any information about an individual, whether or not the information is in writing or recorded in some other form, and includes the patient‟s identity, address, medical or treatment information, and all communications by the patient to program staff.25 The facility is prohibited from even acknowledging whether the individual is or ever was a patient at the facility.26

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...betts-children-must-release-notes-425441.html

Would this make her medical history fair game? Hopefully

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[Truthalways]

does anybody know how to search ? Looking for older posts and its frustrating?

I'm using tap a talk and their is a search bar at the top of the posts to search words, sentences, it brings up related content and threads.

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[stmarysmead]

http://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...betts-children-must-release-notes-425441.html

Would this make her medical history fair game? Hopefully

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I wish we had an attorney on this thread. It will be very unfair if her medical records do not come in.
Has the jury been impaneled or is next week just the start of that process?

 

[stmarysmead]

Here's something I predict will happen. Without a doubt, MM will pack the courtroom with her "supporters." It will be organized. They will sigh when she sighs and cry when she cries, like a Greek chorus. Their mission is to demonstrate to the jury how normal, loved and pitied she is.

I hope local people who loved Jason wil come out to support the Lynches in the courtroom.

 

[stephanddoody]

Here's something I predict will happen. Without a doubt, MM will pack the courtroom with her "supporters." It will be organized. They will sigh when she sighs and cry when she cries, like a Greek chorus. Their mission is to demonstrate to the jury how normal, loved and pitied she is.

I hope local people who loved Jason wil come out to support the Lynches in the courtroom.

I know some are travelling from Knoxville to support Jason's family . There are quite a few I know from North Carolina that knew Jason and then his work colleagues will be there to support Lynchs and probably his childhood friends and family . He was well liked . Then there are probably others that never had the pleasure to meet him but know of his demise and will come to support them as well

 

[Logic-lady]

I hope that our great sleuthers can find some "smoking gun" in the facts of the case that will be indisputable.

But we must remember that the jury will be presented with two sets of "facts." The defense will put up "experts" to present "facts" that counter the "facts" that the Prosecution presents. The jury essentially gets to decide which "facts" they wish to believe. Too often that decision is based on emotion.

Casey Anthony's acquittal was a shock to many...even more so when some jurors admitted they didn't like the prosecutor but did like the defense lawyer.

Unfortunately, the local media has not been "fair" in my opinion. In typical fashion, they have "selected" to run articles sympathetic to the Martens...but have not ever printed a story about the Maginn book...though they headlined the Wedding Warning lie. They have never retracted or updated the story. The potential jury pool has had only that source of info to date. The local media has chosen a pro Martens narrative IMO. It's not just what they print...it's what they don't print.

The prosecution will need to create their own emotional narrative to counteract Mollys. The jury needs to "feel" something for Jason as well.

I wish with all my heart that an impartial press made it easy to impanel jurors who decided cases on facts alone. I fear that rarely happens here anymore.

I agree entirely, I think we may have misunderstood each other the other day.

 

[Logic-lady]

I've had more dealings with those who suffer from bipolar disorder than I would wish. Delusions can be very deeply held, and when expressing those delusions the sufferer can be very convincing. I wonder if it is possible that Molly suffered from delusions that Jason had killed his first wife, and would kill her. She may have convinced her parents that this was true as well, or at least they might have been half convinced. She may genuinely have believed herself to be in a "kill or be killed" situation.

Interesting point, it may well go some way towards explaining why some of her supporters so vehemently believe that to be the case also. Do you believe she would be able to carry on the delusion right up to this point or is there a question in your mind as to whether she should have gone with an incapacitated mental health defense?

 

[Logic-lady]

Not sure what of her medical history can or cannot come in.

http://www.ncmedsoc.org/non_members/public_resources/2008 Final M-L Guidelines.pdf

Under federal and state law, information about an individual‟s substance abuse or mental health diagnosis or treatment can be a trap for the unwary litigator seeking this information as well as for the physician or health care facility holding the information. Protected information includes any information about an individual, whether or not the information is in writing or recorded in some other form, and includes the patient‟s identity, address, medical or treatment information, and all communications by the patient to program staff.25 The facility is prohibited from even acknowledging whether the individual is or ever was a patient at the facility.26

I wonder could they request it through the courts if relevant, as Molly has done with the kids counselling notes?