NC - Kathy Taft, 62, Raleigh, 6 March 2010 - #1

[Just the Fax]

Just the Fax- Do you think it was a random attack then? That the sis was not involved and that KT just happened to be at the wrong place/wrong time?

I am thinking it was a crime of opportunity, probably by a random intruder.
The house is the first seen from a dark, secluded path leading from a shopping center. I heard early on she was found nude on her bed. Later, a friend that is close with a RPD uniformed officer said she was raped. The cops asking for male DNA about the time the lab results would come back reinforces that.

However, I have also wavered before the DNA info, thinking the sister could have done it. The 11:40 am 911 call makes no sense to me. Did she not lock the doors that night? Forced entry certainly would have been heard.

 

[susubaby]

Just the Fax- That is very interesting. If that is the case, I wonder why the cops aren't warning the public to be more careful of a random attacker....Just thinking out loud here. I too, go back and forth, in thinking, maybe it was a random attack, to maybe it was the sister. I just wonder why the sister might not have heard anything, unless the attacker knocked KT out first and then raped her. But, why such a violent and harsh blow? Do you think maybe the attacker could've been a stalker? Have you heard any theories floating around town on that?

 

[Hawk]

Just a thought, but after hearing so many rumors about D being jealous of KT and about D having problems with alcohol?, drugs? and/or mental instability?.........what if D went to the bar/grocery store area and consumed drinks?/drugs?, met up with guy she either knew or met randomly. She talked about why she was in town and how much she disliked (jealous of) her sister and then she asked guy to have sex with KT saying she wanted it or /rape KT. If she and/or he were drug induced, he could have done the deed and D could have decided that she would have to/want to attack KT to keep from being exposed or maybe this was always part of the spur of the moment plan. For her to hurt KT as first rumored, there would have had to been a mess. D could have passed out, woken up later, cleaned up mess (enough for anyone not to notice in a hurry), rebandaged , disposed of evidence and called EMS.

 

[newMom]

Ok, I've been thinking about this a lot. (Hi, BTW - I'm new here - but have been reading Websleuths for years. I live in Raleigh, so this is literally "close to home" for me.)

I think that perhaps there was a neighbor who had seen Kathy come and go with JG over the last couple years....then that night he saw HER car there, but not HIS car (and/or knew JG was going out of town) and saw an opportunity...not realizing that D was in the house, too....maybe Kathy even called out for her sister and it was because of that that she was hurt so badly (to quickly shut her up). Just a theory....

 

[Kateyes]

While I was reading today's posts I had another thought. Of course LE combed the house thoroughly for evidence. If,and I am purely speculating, the sister had a male visitor and had sex with him it is probable that LE would have found his DNA in the room where the sister slept/stayed. Now, I am at a loss to explain why someone the sister slept with would have assaulted KT - no clue. But, if male DNA was found in the house, it could have possibly been in the sister's room. Which of course would look suspicious since, according to info released by the media, the sister did not state she had any visitors. I still can't piece anything together, other than a thought as to why/how LE was trying to obtain male DNA samples.

 

[Noway]

How much male DNA would be in the master bedroom?

 

[Kateyes]

How much male DNA would be in the master bedroom?

Good question,noway. I am not sure which bedroom is the master,but I was thinking that there might have been male DNA found in the bedroom where the sister slept. Who knows - wonder if male DNA was found in one bedroom and matched male DNA in the bedroom where KT was staying?? This one is sure a bizarre puzzle. Le not saying it was random, but not saying it wasn't either. I would be scared if I lived there, for sure, until this murder is solved.The more I read the more I realize that I really know nothing about what happened to KT.

 

[Noway]

According to reliable sources (no link) KT was staying in the master on the first floor and the sister in another room on the second.

I don't guess John G. entertained male neighbors in his master bedroom (that sounded way worse than I meant it) -- but maybe he let others use his house too? When he was out of town and they needed a place to stay?

 

[Noway]

It depends on what kind of DNA they are trying to match. If it's from a sexual assault ... then they don't need to get DNA from the EMTs but if they have male DNA and they are trying to eliminate it as belonging to the perp and there is not a sexual assault, then I guess they had to get it from the EMTs too.

 

[crocus]

Well wait....how much does it cost for all of these dna samplings? Can they just go around and ask willy nilly for samplings from anyone who was within a certain radius to the crime scene? Is that feasible? Isn't there some sort of protocol for such requests in a probable cause warrant?

This whole case is really weird. But, I guess that's because we have absolutley nothing from LE and all we are going on is innuendo, rumors and speculations. And it's been from one end of the spectrum to another.......

 

[Just the Fax]

Well wait....how much does it cost for all of these dna samplings? Can they just go around and ask willy nilly for samplings from anyone who was within a certain radius to the crime scene? Is that feasible? Isn't there some sort of protocol for such requests in a probable cause warrant?

This whole case is really weird. But, I guess that's because we have absolutley nothing from LE and all we are going on is innuendo, rumors and speculations. And it's been from one end of the spectrum to another.......

The DNA samples taken were from men in the immediate proximity of the Geil house. It was said the request was totally voluntary, hence no court orders needed. Will they actually run all of these samples? I doubt it. I'm sure they were looking for willingness or not to cooperate as much as anything.

 

[susubaby]

It seems that if RPD was looking for willingness to cooperate, like Just the Fax says above, to give DNA samples voluntarily from surrounding neighbors, that they are looking for or are suspecious of someone close by in the neighborhood? Again, I am going back to maybe it was someone who had their eye on KT since she did spend time in the house with JG on occasion. That person maybe lived in the neighborhood and knew JG would be gone for long periods of time in FLA. Maybe knew or not she would be home with sis- that could be a coincidence. Could it be the sis was so drunk she just passed out? Maybe the sis and this person had a relationship? Gosh- now this is going way off the mark. Until more info comes out, I'm just going to wait and see...there are many, many rumors that continue to fly around Raleigh every day and they are every changing.

 

[Prancy]

I finally got the nerve to ride by the house yesterday. It looks quite different from the views I have seen on-line and on the tv. I go by Cartier quite a bit as I travel down Oberlin Road to Glenwood Ave., but am not sure if I have ever driven down the street before.

What struck me was how tight the street is. The houses seem to be very close to each other and to the street. With cars parked on the street it feels even tighter. I was surprised that the houses on that street are not as upscale as other houses that are very close. There are working class residences and then very upscale places nearby. The Carolina Country Club is just across from Glenwood Village with mansions on Glenwood Ave. that are near Oberlin Road. Here's a link
http://carolinacc.net/

I went in 2 streets just before you get to Cartier and rode through the neigborhood. There was a family with kids in their backyard playing around. I saw several pairs of women power walking and two men walking together right in front of the house. They were wearing shorts and running shoes. It was around dust. They all looked relaxed and were talking and smiling.

There are several houses for rent and for sale in the 3 block area that I rode through. I don't know if those signs went up before or after the murder.

As I neared "the house" I met a police car that had turned onto Cartier from Oberlin. I was headed toward Oberlin. There was a golden/metallic colored (I think a 4 door Toyota sedan) car parked in front of the house. It wasn't in the parking spaces but parked parrallel to the street in front of the spaces. I couldn't tell if there were any lights on inside or not. Is that an unmarked police car? I didn't see anyone in it.

What was also surprising is how close it is to an open space on Cartier that goes onto Glenwood Village. It's right there before you know it. It's much closer than I had imagined.

I feel better after checking it out. I'm not sure why. I still have no idea what to think at this point. I do wonder if that is Mr. Geil's main residence. Something about that seems odd to me in light of what I have read about him on this thread.

 

[Prancy]

I also went by the Wayland Drive residence that they suspect was the target of a break-in near the time of the murder. There were no cars or activity around it. I suppose the occupants may have still been at work.

 

[Just the Fax]

Some RPD detectives drive a Toyota Camry.
Yes, that immediate neighborhood is much more 'working class' than one might expect for a IBL area off Oberlin and Glenwood. One man quoted in the N&O about DNA was a retired sanitation worker. (nothing wrong, just pointing out demographics of the area). I think your point is the immediate neighborhood is certainly not 'upscale' and has numerous smaller, rental homes.
Could the perpetrator live near by? Apparently the cops had that on their radar.

 

[Just the Fax]

I also went by the Wayland Drive residence that they suspect was the target of a break-in near the time of the murder. There were no cars or activity around it. I suppose the occupants may have still been at work.

What is the house #?
Does it back up to the same easement that leads to Glenwood grill?

 

[Prancy]

What is the house #?
Does it back up to the same easement that leads to Glenwood grill?

I'll try to locate the number. I knew it was the house because I recognized it from seeing it on tv. If I get the number, I can pull up it's photo from real estate records.

If my sense of direction is correct, the backyard of the Wayland Drive house would meet with the backyard of another house on Cartier. The house whose backyard that it backs up to faces Cartier but is on the opposite side of the street than the Geil house, however it is across the street from the Geil house. Does that make any sense?

If I go back, I'll try to get some house numbers. I just feel odd going by there. They could have it under survellience and I don't want to look like a crazy person. LOL

 

[Just the Fax]

No offense to anyone that lives near Cartier Dr, but I am beginning to think the area is sketch. Within a 2 week period, 2 break-ins and a murder.
Even with cops swarming, another house on Cartier was robbed, just 2 weeks after the murder..

"Despite the police presence, Joe Andrews said his home was broken into Wednesday morning. The thieves used a brick from his backyard to smash the windows of two rear doors, then tracked mud across the carpet while stealing a 47-inch flat-screen television and his daughter's laptop computer, her iPod and her wallet, Andrews said.

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/03...samples.html?storylink=misearch#ixzz0jgaMmMlj

 

[wheaten]

I did hear the 'neck lift' was performed in Durham.

If it was in Durham, my guess is Dr. Ronald Riefkohl, known widely for his ability to do "natural" looking plastic surgery. His patients look refreshed instead of stretched. KT definitely looked good.

 

[Prancy]

No offense to anyone that lives near Cartier Dr, but I am beginning to think the area is sketch. Within a 2 week period, 2 break-ins and a murder.
Even with cops swarming, another house on Cartier was robbed, just 2 weeks after the murder..

"Despite the police presence, Joe Andrews said his home was broken into Wednesday morning. The thieves used a brick from his backyard to smash the windows of two rear doors, then tracked mud across the carpet while stealing a 47-inch flat-screen television and his daughter's laptop computer, her iPod and her wallet, Andrews said.

Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/03...samples.html?storylink=misearch#ixzz0jgaMmMlj

I wonder where Mr. Andrews lives. I had not read they was another break-in. It really does make you wonder about the break-ins. No wonder the police kept riding through. Of course we don't know if there was anything taken from the Geil house or not.

No offense taken with the sketchy comment. I don't live right in that neighborhood but am nearby. I have the same zip. As you noted, houses "inside the beltline" can be very high dollar, even if they don't look like much. LOL Now my curiosity is increased. I wonder what the area down away from Oberlin is like? Hmmmm. I may check that out.

Honestly, the additional break-ins are very scary. I have not seen even one police car come down my street. Is that a good thing?

As I looked at various houses on Wayland on-line, I did notice there are some very nice houses on that street. I'm sure those people must be going crazy, even though the ones being interviewed seem quite calm.