Found Deceased NC - Mariah Woods, 3, Onslow County, 27 Nov 2017 #8 *Arrest*

[georgiajean]

I'm not finding anything where the grandmother said that. Can you find a link for it?

Haleigh Cummings was diagnosed with Turner's Syndrome. THere is info here about it: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cummings_haleigh.html Turner Syndrome is a genetic disorder in 1/2500 female births. Features include restricted growth of long bones and ovaries, heart defects and vision problems, multiple birthmarks, and swollen fingers and toes. Most with Turner's Syndrome do not grow past 4.5 feet. (after reading this, I wonder if little Sherin Mathews had this?)

I have been able to find no reference to Mariah having Turner's Syndrome, and it is not in boys, so her brothers wouldn't have had it....

 

[Stunned]

Lol!!! South Fla. can totally relate!

 

[JaneEyre]

I saw in the comments on the that there was also a bank account that had been set up. My guess is that folks are contributing to that account, rather than the , because it is more secure and direct. Additionally, my guess is that the people who would see that (friends/family/community) are also equally strapped for cash. so $400 is a lot for that area. all IMO

I do hope that a law firm has stepped forward to support these boys, probono.

Only people who live right there in town near the bank will contribute there in most cases. Online contributions are much easier for most people. So many people I know don't even keep envelopes and stamps on hand anymore because everything can be done online.

At any rate, if you are correct that 400 is a lot for that area, then that still kind of points to the unlikelihood of some big donor paying for his lawyer. It's possible, but I doubt it. And Gitana can speak to how much would get him how far.

I'm just weighing the likelihood of this at this point, and I don't find anything that points to it.

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[Niseyg123]

Easier said than done. Even with attorneys you can litigate for years when the facts are solidly on your side and still get nowhere.

And self help centers can be of little help. But let me repeat. His remedy for when the mom violated the court's orders and didn't allow him to pick up his kids for visits were: 1. A complex motion for contempt. 2. A complex motion for sanctions. 3. A request for a change in custody which would take several days off work and could likely result in no change at all, even if she was violating the court's orders.

In my experience, success in family law cases results from a few things. Either- bothe parties are fairly reasonable, OR: 1. You have a tenacious, aggressive attorney. 2. You have a secure enough job that you can miss multiple days of work over the course of years. 3. You have unlimited resources to pay an attorney. 4. You have the mental strength to battle endlessly. 4. Luck. Luck that you will get a good judge who can see what's happening and doesn't have a heavy calendar or a bias against you or whatever.

I've been working this business for almost two decades. It can be a Kafkaesque nightmare. Those who say where there's a will there's a way likely
haven't had enough dealings with family court or they've been super lucky.

For a working class guy who lives paycheck to paycheck and isn't the most resourceful or educated person, this can be impossible.

Well said. It really is a ridiculous battle. Why it has to be such I will never understand. It's about kids and their safety. I think much of it boils down to CPS doing their job better. This involve better and a different kind of training. Made a post yesterday sometime to
Someone about the differences in family therapy/evaluation and the individual approach which is generally applied to family cases as if it were a single individual. Families don't work that way tho. It's everyone's behavior affecting everyone else's reciprocally and when it gets outta whack it's can be a real mess. When an individuals approach is applied, it tends to isolate and pathologize each person. When what should be being looked at is what's occurring between the two. Looking at interactions. Not that underlying pathology doesn't play a role, but that all by itself is not the issue. Lol k. Sorry to write a book.


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[Niseyg123]

It's where I live! Winston Salem, Greensboro and High Point (and the closely surrounding areas) = the Triad. Not to be confused with the Triangle! Which is Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill. (Also called the Research Triangle)

WFMY2 is our local channel which is why they didn't explain further I'm sure.

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I am in NC and I SO totally mixed that up. I had Raleigh-Durham in my head. I knew they were the triangle but I just saw tri and started assuming. Thx for the reminder. Now which is EK assc with? The triad or angle?


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[miss lisa]

There should have been an update somewhere in MSM if the court hearing was this morning, but I cannot find anything anywhere...
http://bit.ly/2B3nsqy

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There may not have been court today. We are experiencing some bad weather due to snow.

 

[TNsqrls]

I don't know if there was any cooking of meth, but Mariah's brother did say that he EK used pot, heroin, and methamphetamine. I find it incredibly sad that a 10 year old even has to know what these drugs are, let alone be exposed to them.

My 11yo *thinks* she knows about drugs, from our talks, school anti-drug campaigns, etc, but I'm certain she'd never be able to accurately identify specific drugs. She could probably say pot was a plant that people smoked, or that people on meth were usually dirty with lots of sores.

NOT saying I don't believe sons statements, but I'm wondering if the types of drugs he said were used are correct. Could have been "pot, meth, & heroin" were the 3 particular drug names that came to mind. Just a possibility, JMO

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[altojack]

Only people who live right there in town near the bank will contribute there in most cases. Online contributions are much easier for most people. So many people I know don't even keep envelopes and stamps on hand anymore because everything can be done online.

At any rate, if you are correct that 400 is a lot for that area, then that still kind of points to the unlikelihood of some big donor paying for his lawyer. It's possible, but I doubt it. And Gitana can speak to how much would get him how far.

I'm just weighing the likelihood of this at this point, and I don't find anything that points to it.

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Live ni idea how much AW would need and probably 400 is a hefty amount for the local area

BUT

All it would take is one thoughtful, caring, well off person. Wouldn’t they transfer money from their account to the relevant bank account. Don’t be so surprised , it’s happened before on more than one occasion. This case has gone worldwide don’t forget, not just USA.

 

[lorieaster]

She also called her an Angel and loved her to death.

 

[Boodles]

“It’s about kids and their safety.”

Of course it is to two rational, unemotional adults. But in many cases, it’s about power and possession and vengeance. Someone in our family is dealing with this now. Neither parent is stable or truthfully forthright. Then you drag in the lawyers, and grandparents, each with an agenda and their own emotions and perceptions, one of which is DENIAL of realities pertaining to their children (the parents). It’s ugly and heartbreaking. I keep thinking of Kramer vs Kramer and the statement about “the best interests of the child.”

I’m so sick of abusive/negligent parents who treat their child(ren) as possessions.

 

[Alethea]

I wanted to bring up the dressers again in a way I don't think we discussed before. EK's arrest warrant charges him with breaking into a specific address and stealing 2 dressers with a value of $40. Searching NC public records, the owner of the property lives in Alaska. It looks like it was inherited, not purchased. MSM posted pictures of the property and it looks truly abandoned - it's completely overgrown with vegetation and there are things all around. I don't have the article handy but they described it as completely abandoned with various things thrown throughout the house.

How did LE know the dressers came from that house? Before looking up the property records, I assumed it was "abandoned" but by someone who lives in the area who would know what was in the house and could identify property taken from it. But if the owner is in Alaska, I doubt they know exactly what was in the house on Friday but not on Sunday. Know what I mean? Maybe LE showed or sent pictures of the dressers to everyone in the neighborhood to ask if they were missing a pair of dressers? Still, that seems like a lot of work if it was not connected in some way to the murder. Another possibility is if the dressers were labeled in some way with the address. I'm not sure anyone would actually do that but maybe? Maybe someone saw him carrying the dressers out? Or caught on security camera footage? Just thinking out loud here.

 

[jjs]

I am also interested in Mariah’s diagnosis that caused her gait abnormality. In toddlers such issues often require many visits to specialists and therapy. All opportunity for medical professionals to observe potential signs of abuse. (And she may have had none.) It’s something that’s drawn me to her case as we also have a toddler with a gait abnormality. If she does share a diagnosis with a sibling her diagnosis may have been much quicker to achieve and thus not as many opportunities to observe potential signs of abuse. Just something I’ve pondered.

Someone may have answered this because I am sooo far behind. But I was born with something similar. My legs were turned around backwards in the hip sockets and my feet were twisted kind of outward (I still walk on the insides of my feet, so all my shoes have uneven bottoms). I wore actual casts on my legs all the way up to my hips and didn't learn to walk until I was 2. (This was a loooong time ago, so I'm sure they don't use actual casts anymore). I honestly don't know what my actual diagnosis was because my grandparents have both passed away and my dad wasn't around until I was 12, so he doesn't know either. I do know that my half brother had something similar although not even close to as severe as I did-- he never had casts. And my dad wasn't around him either, so we have no clue what it is. All I remember is that I had horrible sores from rubbing under my casts and the doctors wouldn't take them off so my grandpa sat me down on the kitchen table and cut them off very carefully with a saw from his shop. After that, they told the doctors no more casts and I wore special shoes instead.

(Another example of a memory from early childhood-- I think I was 3 but I so vividly remember my grandma holding me still while my grandpa cut them off!)

Probably not much help, but she could have had something like we did, even though I couldn't even begin to tell you what it was!

 

[Niseyg123]

I am fascinated by this topic of statement analysis, but I don't know a lot about it.

I've not heard about 'anywhere' maybe meaning water. What I would flag that phrase for is that she might actually know where Mariah is and be trying to convince the listener that "she might be anywhere!"

So many caveats need to be used when trying to do this statement analysis, always in context and only ever as a flag.

"Never let her go *again*". I was just trying to think about this. Say you let your eye off your child for 10 seconds and child wanders off. You panic, you search, you beg everyone near you to look out for child. You finally find child. You tell child to never wander off like that again! And you might also say to yourself "I'll never let child go again". So this is referring back to a specific incident where you feel you let child 'go', and you're *never* going to do it *again*. So in this example we can see context and understand meaning. What does it mean for KW is harder for me to extrapolate. I don't know how long that wording might be valid for? Will it only relate to an incident like in the example? Is KW subconsciously telling us that she feels she took her eye off Mariah and something scary happened? Maybe, but I don't know for sure.

The bit about being able to touch Mariah again and see her smile again. That was caused by the reporter asking a leading question using some of those words. KW fed the words back to the reporter, modifying them only very slightly. So I would caveat that it's risky due the leading question to read too much into this, but if we are going to examine the words it's the modification words that we would need to focus on. We'd need to hear both the question and the answer, in exact words, in order to separate the two.

That's my thoughts on the matter. I find statement analysis to be an intriguing subject, but it needs massive care, it needs context, it needs understanding of the person's dialect and colloqualism usage, it needs to only be used to flag things for further probing, and not used to prove someone guilty in the court of public opinion. Otherwise I think it's way too easy to hone in on things, similar to the FB memes, and to read in something with hindsight and observer bias that was never in the person's mind when they posted that meme or used those words.

I too am fascinated by this! In training to become a marriage and family therapist, there is TONS of focus on communication. You look as you are, at odd choices of words that make you curious, then ask the client to elaborate on what that means for THEM. and we're heavily trained in avoiding leading questions. lastly is the maxim that you listen for and consider the CONTEXT!! Yes. Context is EVERYTHING. Behaviors don't exist outside the context they occur in so to understand them you have to explore that as much as possible.
If it's really something you're wanting to learn more about check out Nagy's Contextual Family Therapy and Miniuchins structural approach. If you're interested PM me and I'll try to scrounge up some links. Lol. Any family therapy really but those two really stick out
I def think you are onto something with the use of *again* and the whole anywhere argument is very interesting. My take--when you combine these two, you really get interesting food for thought. So never let her go again (she knows something awful, and probably exactly what has happened), She could be anywhere ( EK Handles the disposal. I don't think she was part of this process so genuinely may not have known what he did with MW). These things too, for me, lend further credence to the theory that it www an accident. Also to me sorta explains her mostly calm demeanor. When kids are missing most moms are hysterical. She just seemed to have more of a regretful tone. All very interesting.


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[MirandaPriestly]

My 11yo *thinks* she knows about drugs, from our talks, school anti-drug campaigns, etc, but I'm certain she'd never be able to accurately identify specific drugs. She could probably say pot was a plant that people smoked, or that people on meth were usually dirty with lots of sores.

NOT saying I don't believe sons statements, but I'm wondering if the types of drugs he said were used are correct. Could have been "pot, meth, & heroin" were the 3 particular drug names that came to mind. Just a possibility, JMO

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If he were around them every day, I bet he knew a street name for them and was able to identify based on that at 10.

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[georgiajean]

Someone may have answered this because I am sooo far behind. But I was born with something similar. My legs were turned around backwards in the hip sockets and my feet were twisted kind of outward (I still walk on the insides of my feet, so all my shoes have uneven bottoms). I wore actual casts on my legs all the way up to my hips and didn't learn to walk until I was 2. (This was a loooong time ago, so I'm sure they don't use actual casts anymore). I honestly don't know what my actual diagnosis was because my grandparents have both passed away and my dad wasn't around until I was 12, so he doesn't know either. I do know that my half brother had something similar although not even close to as severe as I did-- he never had casts. And my dad wasn't around him either, so we have no clue what it is. All I remember is that I had horrible sores from rubbing under my casts and the doctors wouldn't take them off so my grandpa sat me down on the kitchen table and cut them off very carefully with a saw from his shop. After that, they told the doctors no more casts and I wore special shoes instead.

(Another example of a memory from early childhood-- I think I was 3 but I so vividly remember my grandma holding me still while my grandpa cut them off!)

Probably not much help, but she could have had something like we did, even though I couldn't even begin to tell you what it was!

I have been researching this this morning! what I came up with was femoral torsion. I found a video of a toddler boy walking, and he was very similar to a video of Mariah's brother walking and falling. It can be genetic, and some form of braces is requried. the cool thing I found is that there are straps used, which attach to the shoe, from the hip, and wrap around the leg to create tension to turn the legs correctly. No longer metal braces. I hope Mariah ha the fabric braces.
Here are links:
Video of toddler walking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipItmgYa8x0
Video of the new fabric/velcro straps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OV9GGxSwuM

 

[MBK]

If he were around them every day, I bet he knew a street name for them and was able to identify based on that at 10.

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I get the feeling kids grew up fast in that household.

 

[soanyway]

I think EK knew of the dressers because he was familiar with that house being abandoned and had probably poked around there before. I still think the dressers were needed as a last minute coverup to conceal any damage within the home that might led LE to believe he was abusive. They had already visited him a few weeks prior when he smashed all the van windows in and more property damage within the home would be another red flag to his "adult temper" and now a child is missing. He also likely came up with the alibi of the stolen dressers being his alibi for that night as a neighbor had reported seeing him leave. MOO

Someone may have answered this because I am sooo far behind. But I was born with something similar. My legs were turned around backwards in the hip sockets and my feet were twisted kind of outward (I still walk on the insides of my feet, so all my shoes have uneven bottoms). I wore actual casts on my legs all the way up to my hips and didn't learn to walk until I was 2. (This was a loooong time ago, so I'm sure they don't use actual casts anymore). I honestly don't know what my actual diagnosis was because my grandparents have both passed away and my dad wasn't around until I was 12, so he doesn't know either. I do know that my half brother had something similar although not even close to as severe as I did-- he never had casts. And my dad wasn't around him either, so we have no clue what it is. All I remember is that I had horrible sores from rubbing under my casts and the doctors wouldn't take them off so my grandpa sat me down on the kitchen table and cut them off very carefully with a saw from his shop. After that, they told the doctors no more casts and I wore special shoes instead.

(Another example of a memory from early childhood-- I think I was 3 but I so vividly remember my grandma holding me still while my grandpa cut them off!)

Probably not much help, but she could have had something like we did, even though I couldn't even begin to tell you what it was!

 

[VaBorn]

I wanted to bring up the dressers again in a way I don't think we discussed before. EK's arrest warrant charges him with breaking into a specific address and stealing 2 dressers with a value of $40. Searching NC public records, the owner of the property lives in Alaska. It looks like it was inherited, not purchased. MSM posted pictures of the property and it looks truly abandoned - it's completely overgrown with vegetation and there are things all around. I don't have the article handy but they described it as completely abandoned with various things thrown throughout the house.

How did LE know the dressers came from that house? Before looking up the property records, I assumed it was "abandoned" but by someone who lives in the area who would know what was in the house and could identify property taken from it. But if the owner is in Alaska, I doubt they know exactly what was in the house on Friday but not on Sunday. Know what I mean? Maybe LE showed or sent pictures of the dressers to everyone in the neighborhood to ask if they were missing a pair of dressers? Still, that seems like a lot of work if it was not connected in some way to the murder. Another possibility is if the dressers were labeled in some way with the address. I'm not sure anyone would actually do that but maybe? Maybe someone saw him carrying the dressers out? Or caught on security camera footage? Just thinking out loud here.

I was thinking they could have somehow been marked with owner information or he was caught on neighbors security cam. I'm with you though- don't believe owner would have noticed they were missing & been able to nail down the timeframe.

 

[SleuthMc]

My 11yo *thinks* she knows about drugs, from our talks, school anti-drug campaigns, etc, but I'm certain she'd never be able to accurately identify specific drugs. She could probably say pot was a plant that people smoked, or that people on meth were usually dirty with lots of sores.

NOT saying I don't believe sons statements, but I'm wondering if the types of drugs he said were used are correct. Could have been "pot, meth, & heroin" were the 3 particular drug names that came to mind. Just a possibility, JMO

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when you have a 10 yr old that was man of the house, making sure the younger siblings had food and water, clean clothes, protected them & tried to keep them out of trouble all the while trying to keep the house picked up and/or trying not to set off a violent temper, you would be surprised what they pick up on.

Also, no one knows how many drug deals these children witnessed. In addition it’s possible KH leaned on the little guy and confided in him and/or spoke ill of EK when she was upset.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

I wanted to bring up the dressers again in a way I don't think we discussed before. EK's arrest warrant charges him with breaking into a specific address and stealing 2 dressers with a value of $40. Searching NC public records, the owner of the property lives in Alaska. It looks like it was inherited, not purchased. MSM posted pictures of the property and it looks truly abandoned - it's completely overgrown with vegetation and there are things all around. I don't have the article handy but they described it as completely abandoned with various things thrown throughout the house.

How did LE know the dressers came from that house? Before looking up the property records, I assumed it was "abandoned" but by someone who lives in the area who would know what was in the house and could identify property taken from it. But if the owner is in Alaska, I doubt they know exactly what was in the house on Friday but not on Sunday. Know what I mean? Maybe LE showed or sent pictures of the dressers to everyone in the neighborhood to ask if they were missing a pair of dressers? Still, that seems like a lot of work if it was not connected in some way to the murder. Another possibility is if the dressers were labeled in some way with the address. I'm not sure anyone would actually do that but maybe? Maybe someone saw him carrying the dressers out? Or caught on security camera footage? Just thinking out loud here.

I think someone saw him go into that house and told the police.