NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #26

[sarx]

This is partly why I wondered about the reputations of the DA/Sheriff's depts/PDs in that area, in terms of how they have handled previous cases. Are they perceived as competent? Have they been accused of "botching" previous cases? Mishandling evidence, failing to secure crime scenes, etc. in the past?

I want EB's legal team to have to fight for every scrap they get.

Can't speak to the local depts. but they have the FBI and the SBI as well as several other orgs who KNOW what they are doing. I have a feeling that the totality of the evidence will be overwhelming.

 

[bellyup]

Soooooo.....I'm assuming the "puberty" comment in the 911 call will come into play when we find out what exactly is on the mattress they found......just wow. Puberty at 10? Is that normal? My son is 13 1/2 and hasn't even started changing yet.

Many girls start much earlier than boys. I was 11 when I started my cycle.

 

[krimekat]

Soooooo.....I'm assuming the "puberty" comment in the 911 call will come into play when we find out what exactly is on the mattress they found......just wow. Puberty at 10? Is that normal? My son is 13 1/2 and hasn't even started changing yet.

But his comment makes more sense now that the mattress is in play.

 

[Meagain]

Question - is there any timeline map of searches floating around? And that includes today's new area(s)? Something preferrably with dates of the searches - a visual. TIA

 

[eleni777]

agathawannabe and Wondergirl...

We just can't trust the news sources. But yeah you both are right.. that's why I said I was speculating. Until the LE decide to share all the evidence with us we really can't be sure how it went down..

The only thing that sticks out in my mind is that a few threads back several people posted arriving and departing flights for the airport and none were remotely close to the 3:12am... it just seemed like and odd time to turn yourself in to me.

 

[epiphany]

Soooooo.....I'm assuming the "puberty" comment in the 911 call will come into play when we find out what exactly is on the mattress they found......just wow. Puberty at 10? Is that normal? My son is 13 1/2 and hasn't even started changing yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/health/research/09puberty.html

A new study finds that girls are more likely today than in the past to start developing breasts by age 7 or 8.

The research is just the latest in a flood of reports over the last decade that have led to concern and heated debate about whether girls are reaching puberty earlier, and why it might be happening.

 

[SherlockHomey]

I just rode by the house and there are 2 police cars, one City of Hickory truck and another car parked outside the house. Three men in yellow rain gear and one man in a black rain jacket marked "police" searching the front yard. They were walking side by side looking at the ground. I assume searching in grids for some evidence.

The house is taped off and no media or anyone around. What's going on?

 

[agathawannabe]

agathawannabe and Wondergirl...

We just can't trust the news sources. But yeah you both are right.. that's why I said I was speculating. Until the LE decide to share all the evidence with us we really can't be sure how it went down..

The only thing that sticks out in my mind is that a few threads back several people posted arriving and departing flights for the airport and none were remotely close to the 3:12am... it just seemed like and odd time to turn yourself in to me.

Yes, ITA about the odd time.

 

[SherlockHomey]

Can't speak to the local depts. but they have the FBI and the SBI as well as several other orgs who KNOW what they are doing. I have a feeling that the totality of the evidence will be overwhelming.

I can say that I know personally the department has botched several cases here. personal experience is that my husband was rear ended by a drunk and drug induced driver in Hickory. This rear ending knocked his truck into another car and that car into another. This was three years ago. Just last month, he was called into court to testify against the driver because they wanted to get her for DUI (my husband had no idea if she was drinking or not. The crash knocked her out). They had to have him and the other drivers come to court because they LOST the blood sample for drugs and alcohol. :banghead:

 

[passionflower]

Soooooo.....I'm assuming the "puberty" comment in the 911 call will come into play when we find out what exactly is on the mattress they found......just wow. Puberty at 10? Is that normal? My son is 13 1/2 and hasn't even started changing yet.

Dr Oz just talking about that on TV..........horomones and OBESITY can enter into early puberty.........I doubt highly that Z was in puberty.
Early breast developement is the first sign...........Z looks very thin and flat chested to me.
IMO, AB dreamed that up!
EB probably told him why unexplained blood was around the house!
Instead Zahra was beaten, IMO.........hose bleeds etc.
DNA experts can tell the difference in blood samples!

I wonder about house and yard also.
Could forensic evidence be back from bedframe taken out of house?
The cars? and early investigation from soil samples, wood chipper?
mulch? fire?
Starting back to day 1 for pieces of the puzzle.......place where Zahra died?
then all other places were disposal areas???

Did AB/EB help LE???? I have doubts about that.

 

[tk71texas]

i was wondering if the mattress is hers and there is dna, specifically blood, on the mattress, can it be determined if it is menstrual blood or just blood. <<<<< did that make any sense, i'm not sure how to ask that question. :waitasec:

 

[bellyup]

i was wondering if the mattress is hers and there is dna, specifically blood, on the mattress, can it be determined if it is menstrual blood or just blood. <<<<< did that make any sense, i'm not sure how to ask that question. :waitasec:

Yes ... testing can determine where the blood likely came from if there are other fluids involved (ie; nose bleed, mouth bleed, vaginal, etc.)

 

[SherlockHomey]

Does anyone know if the house at 21 21st Avenue has a basement?
I sure hope that Zahra is found today!!!

According to the property tax information, the house has a crawl basement.

 

[bellyup]

According to the property tax information, the house has a crawl basement.

can a local report on what is typical of homes in the area ?

here, a crawl basement can be anything from a concrete typical basement that is just shorter to a dirt floored basement.

 

[Virgogalsue]

Zahra's bio mother ? Is there a link ?

I have completely missed the information about Zahra's biological mother posting!

Can anyone help me out?? Please and thankyous xx

 

[passionflower]

IMO, AB/EB in their drug crazed state would be so freaked out that
they probably went wild trying to dispose of everything from Zahra,
the mattress, her belongings, RN,stories for 911 and relatives.
EB told daughter she wanted to move IIRC.............panic.
Now poor LE offices have to figure out where and what they did.
Bless LE and searchers through this horrific time

 

[tehcloser]

violet........it's down at the bottom.

here it is. She commented in the thread about the 911 calls being released:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/20/zahra-baker-case-911-calls-released/

 

[ynotdivein]

Violet, see also:

The original comment is still there, just in another thread. Don't have time to look up the link right now, but it has not been removed.

While I can't confirm it is Zahra's mother, I can say I have also received an email from her and she is originating from Australia and I have her real name.

That's about all I can tell you right now.

 

[SCSleuther]

can a local report on what is typical of homes in the area ?

here, a crawl basement can be anything from a concrete typical basement that is just shorter to a dirt floored basement.

Perhaps SherlockHomey meant to say a "crawl space", which is not a basement at all?

"Down South" - crawl space and/or slab foundations are typical. Not many homes have basements - like many of the homes "up North" do (maybe recently , for new construction, that has changed? I'm by no means an expert in housing contruction :innocent

ETA: I'm originally from "up North", and I believe that slab foundations are not allowed in many places due to "building code", due to the ground freezing etc....

http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/repair/house6.htm

 

[SherlockHomey]

can a local report on what is typical of homes in the area ?

here, a crawl basement can be anything from a concrete typical basement that is just shorter to a dirt floored basement.

I'm not sure about everyone else, but I (being local) call a crawl basement one that is just dirt floor and able to crawl under the house.