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There has, to my knowledge, been no mention of him being in a fraternity. One would think if this were so, his frat brothers would be heavily involved in his search, etc.
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There has, to my knowledge, been no mention of him being in a fraternity. One would think if this were so, his frat brothers would be heavily involved in his search, etc.
[quote name="TC_MN" post=11023836]Just my opinions here - take them as you wish.<br />
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LEO's are NOT going to blast their every thought and movement to the media. If "Joe Murderer" is watching the news and sees that he's a suspect, do you really think Joe Murderer is going to pop a beer and wait patiently on the couch for LE to come pick him up? Not likely. So they tend to keep their suspects and theories a secret until they have enough probable cause to go get them as to not spook them into taking off before they can pick them up.<br />
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Same with theories and evidence. Of course they're not going to tell us how they got to the RV park. Well, not right away anyway. If for example, they got a search warrant for CM's phone records and they show pings from the RV park, and they blast that over the news, what do you think CM is going to do? He's going to run. And just for the record, I have NO idea how they got to the RV site - just giving an uneducated guess - or possibility rather.<br />
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It sounds like you all think LE are inept and incompetent, but I have all the faith in the world they've been trained and are handling the case as best they can with all of the unknowns.<br />
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My last thought is, has anyone else besides CM confirmed that TB was actually at that party until 3:40? My spidey senses are tingling - I just don't believe he ever made it. I think something happened to him before the 1:23 tweet. And I think there's a strong possibility that the person who sent the tweet at 1:23 might not have even JW? Has JW admitted to sending the tweet? <br />
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I'll be curious to find out what the TB's TOD was. How long had he been in the RV park? <br />
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So many questions still....[/QUOTE]<br />
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No one has said LE is inept or incompetent, let alone 'you all'. When there are conflicting reports, people like them clarified. And it's the nature of the beast to want to know the answers to questions. That's not to say we demand them or think we're entitled to them but it's interesting to post and discuss which questions are significant to individual posters and why, since we all have different perspectives.<br/>
Sorry, the "you all" wasn't intended to be all inclusive. I should have said some of you. I do apologize for the generalization. Sorry! [emoji15]
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LEO's are NOT going to blast their every thought and movement to the media. If "Joe Murderer" is watching the news and sees that he's a suspect, do you really think Joe Murderer is going to pop a beer and wait patiently on the couch for LE to come pick him up? Not likely. So they tend to keep their suspects and theories a secret until they have enough probable cause to go get them as to not spook them into taking off before they can pick them up.<br />
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Same with theories and evidence. Of course they're not going to tell us how they got to the RV park. Well, not right away anyway. If for example, they got a search warrant for CM's phone records and they show pings from the RV park, and they blast that over the news, what do you think CM is going to do? He's going to run. And just for the record, I have NO idea how they got to the RV site - just giving an uneducated guess - or possibility rather.<br />
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It sounds like you all think LE are inept and incompetent, but I have all the faith in the world they've been trained and are handling the case as best they can with all of the unknowns.<br />
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My last thought is, has anyone else besides CM confirmed that TB was actually at that party until 3:40? My spidey senses are tingling - I just don't believe he ever made it. I think something happened to him before the 1:23 tweet. And I think there's a strong possibility that the person who sent the tweet at 1:23 might not have even JW? Has JW admitted to sending the tweet? <br />
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I'll be curious to find out what the TB's TOD was. How long had he been in the RV park? <br />
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So many questions still....[/QUOTE]<br />
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No one has said LE is inept or incompetent, let alone 'you all'. When there are conflicting reports, people like them clarified. And it's the nature of the beast to want to know the answers to questions. That's not to say we demand them or think we're entitled to them but it's interesting to post and discuss which questions are significant to individual posters and why, since we all have different perspectives.<br/>
Sorry, the "you all" wasn't intended to be all inclusive. I should have said some of you. I do apologize for the generalization. Sorry! [emoji15]
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If I recall from my time at the university I believe fraternities only really "rush" (officially the you may be a member time) the second semester of the year being after the holiday break. I may not be 100% correct on this but I know my roommate in college rushed around March-April however in that time he hung out a lot around their house.
I will say though that in this day and age Fraternities in my opinion are more concerned with staying away from the news or controversial situations. When I partied with them in college they even had assigned sober escorts to make sure you got home safely after a night at their house whether that was walking you home and making sure you got into your dorm or giving you a ride in a car back to your place. It's serious stuff if they get in trouble because it affects their national charter as well and after some kids went missing in the early 2000's after being seen at their parties they tightened up real quick at my college anyway.
Some recent news articles conflict my statement but I know some fraternities at least at my college were very careful about this stuff as some had problems before I went to school.
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Looking on twitter today I am starting to think now this IS race related in some way, like philosophical or something. I know that sounds weird, I cannot put absolutely anything on here about it really I don't think without violating TOS, plus I don't want to start putting things online about innocent people. But just wanted to put that and see if anyone else has noticed!
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Hi new member here that also has ties to both communities that TB lived in. This thread is an interesting read with a lot of good insight & opinions.
I keep going back to JW's tweet claiming they were lost that night. I would understand if TB had sent it since he's new to the area but JW is a 2nd year student & should know his way around by now.
I keep going back to JW's tweet claiming they were lost that night. I would understand if TB had sent it since he's new to the area but JW is a 2nd year student & should know his way around by now.
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I just wanted to respectfully disagree that "he had various types of injuries" because it was the reporter who was trying to explain the definition of homicidal violence.
The way the reporter said it, it did sound like torture, but he was generalizing about COD, and not specifically what killed Tom.
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LE would have autopsy results back by now wouldnt they? So it's safe to assume they aren't making the results public at this time??
The initial report came back on Wednesday or Thursday evening I believe, confirming that his death was due to "homicidal violence." The toxicology report could be weeks away.
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I agree. Fargo is not that big to get lost in. Also someone had mentioned earlier that maybe they were lost and needed help to find the party at CM's house, but JW is a roommate to CM, so that can't be the reason for the "lost" tweet either. If there is nothing sinister behind the tweet of "lost" and get someone comment to CM, it sure is an unfortunate choice of wording in remainder of tweet for JW, as I keep coming back to him and that party...just smells bad.
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Hmmm...this plus the cause of death makes me think he was maybe jumped and beaten
by a group.
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What kind of group?Hmmm...this plus the cause of death makes me think he was maybe jumped and beaten
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I wouldn't know to classify I'm just saying imo homicidal violence + a pretty clear public warning makes me lean that way.
Where's Jake?
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I think that's possible, although if it were something closer to home, so to speak, the phone would be ditched in order to cover any trail of communication.
I'm not sure where I stand on this one yet. I'm glad his body was found relatively soon, so the investigation can focus on finding his killer(s). The warning issued by LE could very well be an effort to make the perp(s) feel comfortable. I'm not accusing anyone, but I can tell you that living in the city in the midst of 5 colleges/universities, we have seen more than our share of drunken fights. One time three guys at a party house on our block (which has thank God been turned into a single family dwelling) were kicking the whit out of a guy who was totally drunk, lying on the ground, and saying "I don't want to fight you." Things get out of hand. Someone could get killed easy.
Or they were walking, ran into the wrong group of guys, and things got out of hand. Robbery gone wrong? Very well could be. Today in St Paul there were 11,000 extra people in town for a 1:00 football game between St Thomas and st Johns universities--it's almost 11 and you can't walk a block in my neighborhood without seeing a stumbling college kid or hearing them party-drunken azzholes will pick fights if you're wearing red instead of purple, or vice versa. And then there are the little thugs who relish the opportunity to rob and assault drunken victims to steal their phone and their cash.
And I wouldn't discount a gang involvement either. And by gangs, I don't mean organized Crips and Bloods type thing, I mean young boy street thugs wanna be gang members who rob and physically/sexually assault drunken strangers.
I don't like the feelings I get re: the guy whose house Tommy was at, but that's just my feelings.
Where did that all leave me? Nowhere. Tommy seemed to have a decent road ahead of him and a lot of people who loved him. I hope justice is swift.
I agree with you about the drunken fights getting out of control. It happens at college campuses and outside of bars at closing time in every city/town in the nation on a regular basis. I'm wondering though how many times when that happens, the body is moved. It seems more common that the body is just left where it was when the fight took place.
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