Ned's Final Theory-Lou Smit are you still reading here?

[Solace]

yes, I forgot about that,I had mentioned that on another thread,as well as someone else pointed out that maybe she was given Monostat or another internal med. for a yeast infection.(from sexual abuse?)

This is horrendous, isn't it. I don't know much about yeast infections. I mean I could say that little girls should not have them and then you could cite a report saying that 8 out of 10 little girls experience it. I just dont know. Did she have chronic infections. I thought she did.

 

[UKGuy]

But it is highly unusual for a mother to be molesting her daughter, is it not? Also, could the abrasions, etc. be from Patsy cleaning JonBenet in a very rough manner - Linda H. Paugh said she heard Patsy yelling at JonBenet in the bathroom all the time and JonBenet crying and yelling.

Solace,
Is it unusual, and if it is, what rules Patsy out from being the unusual one, this is an unusual homicide after all?

What abrasions?

JonBenet's injuries were internal, her hymen was enlarged unnaturally for a girl of her age. Coroner Myer stated so during the autopsy, this implies the enlargement was chronic, whilst her sexual assault was acute.

No amount of toilet hygiene will yield those kind of results, long term sexual abuse will though!


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[4sure]

Remember that extremely revealing remark by Patsy who said (I'm paraphrasing) that she was relieved her mother Nedra slept in JB's room during the time she had to stay in hospital, for if John should ever get the thought of molesting JB, this would not be possible.
But that's quite a monstrous thing to say or even think. For it shows that Patsy did not put it past John to have (at least) thought of molesting his daughter.

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PR never said anything like this about being worried that JR would molest JBR. Post the quote and source or stop "paraphrasing" please. What a disgusting thing to imply.

 

[4sure]

Solace,
Is it unusual, and if it is, what rules Patsy out from being the unusual one, this is an unusual homicide after all?

What abrasions?

JonBenet's injuries were internal, her hymen was enlarged unnaturally for a girl of her age. Coroner Myer stated so during the autopsy, this implies the enlargement was chronic, whilst her sexual assault was acute.

No amount of toilet hygiene will yield those kind of results, long term sexual abuse will though!


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You too, please post where the autopsy states the hymen is enlarged unnatrually for a girl of her age. As far as I see it says no such thing, ever.

 

[icedtea4me]

PR never said anything like this about being worried that JR would molest JBR. Post the quote and source or stop "paraphrasing" please. What a disgusting thing to imply.

This was stated during an interview the Ramseys had with the National Enquirer in March 2001. Patsy brought St. Patrick's Day cookies to share. I'll try to locate what was said but, I'm telling you, it was pretty much as rashomon recalled.


-Tea

 

[icedtea4me]

Found it!

During The ENQUIRER interview, Patsy admitted she considered and rejected the possibility that John was sexually abusing JonBenet. She openly admitted that during her struggle to defeat ovarian cancer between 1993 and 1994, John and Patsy's sex life suffered. She totally rejects the notion of John abusing JonBenet, but her reasoning is odd.

She said her mother "came to take care of the kids (when I had cancer). She slept in the other bed in JonBenet's room. I mean, if John was coming in to molest JonBenet, you know that's not going to happen 'cause Grandma was right there every night."

http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm


-Tea

 

[narlacat]

PR never said anything like this about being worried that JR would molest JBR. Post the quote and source or stop "paraphrasing" please. What a disgusting thing to imply.

I haven't been keeping up with this forum as much as I could have lately, and I'm only guessing you are IDI 4sure, but with an attitude like that you'd almost have to be!
Tea found the source for you

 

[JMO8778]

This is horrendous, isn't it. I don't know much about yeast infections. I mean I could say that little girls should not have them and then you could cite a report saying that 8 out of 10 little girls experience it. I just dont know. Did she have chronic infections. I thought she did.

It was stated she had vaginitis,altho that's a pretty general term,or at least I think they used it that way.I think JB's Dr was hiding something more,JMO.And I don't think it was ever said why PR called JB's dr 3x, just on one day in the month of Dec.

 

[Solace]

PR never said anything like this about being worried that JR would molest JBR. Post the quote and source or stop "paraphrasing" please. What a disgusting thing to imply.

4Sure: PR most certainly did say that. Since you are so repulsed by it, does it change your mind about Patsy?

 

[Solace]

Solace,
Is it unusual, and if it is, what rules Patsy out from being the unusual one, this is an unusual homicide after all?

What abrasions?

JonBenet's injuries were internal, her hymen was enlarged unnaturally for a girl of her age. Coroner Myer stated so during the autopsy, this implies the enlargement was chronic, whilst her sexual assault was acute.

No amount of toilet hygiene will yield those kind of results, long term sexual abuse will though!


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UK, Thinking about this case last night and I think there was some horrible things going on in that house before the murder and after it. The fact that she was found with size 14 underwear is something that just cannot be overlooked. It can't. I think she was being abused that night, or am I wrong, did one of the forensics who studied the case say it was two or three days prior?

 

[UKGuy]

UK, Thinking about this case last night and I think there was some horrible things going on in that house before the murder and after it. The fact that she was found with size 14 underwear is something that just cannot be overlooked. It can't. I think she was being abused that night, or am I wrong, did one of the forensics who studied the case say it was two or three days prior?

Solace,

Yes other Medical Practitioners, and various paediatricans were of the firm opinion that JonBenet had been sexually abused prior to the night of her death, they cite healed internal scarring as support, along with the unnatural enlargement of her hymen.

Although the above is contentious, her enlarged hymen is not, this did not occur that night, it likely took place over a period of time.

Coroner Meyer is an experienced pathologist, so when he opines whilst performing an autopsy that this body appears to have been the victim of digital penetration based upon her enlarged hymen, then its safe to assume he is correct.

If you factor in her visits to the family doctor for genital infections, bedwetting etc, then its possible these may be linked to any ongoing sexual abuse.

So JonBenet's size-6 underwear is missing replaced by the size-12's, now this cannot be because they were soiled or urine-soaked since the size-12's and longjohns left on her were also urine-soaked!

If you consider the missing size-6 underwear as forensic evidence removed from the original crime-scene e.g. not the wine-cellar, then they must have played a part in her death. So either they will have contained blood stains, pubic hairs and/or semen else why remove them?

So rather than an Intruder or Toilet Rage Theory I reckon people should consider a Sexual Rage Theory as the cause of JonBenet's death, it may ultimately not be correct, but it would be more consistent with the current forensic evidence than either of the Intruder or Toilet Rage Theories!


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[Solace]

Solace,

Yes other Medical Practitioners, and various paediatricans were of the firm opinion that JonBenet had been sexually abused prior to the night of her death, they cite healed internal scarring as support, along with the unnatural enlargement of her hymen.

Although the above is contentious, her enlarged hymen is not, this did not occur that night, it likely took place over a period of time.

Coroner Meyer is an experienced pathologist, so when he opines whilst performing an autopsy that this body appears to have been the victim of digital penetration based upon her enlarged hymen, then its safe to assume he is correct.

If you factor in her visits to the family doctor for genital infections, bedwetting etc, then its possible these may be linked to any ongoing sexual abuse.

So JonBenet's size-6 underwear is missing replaced by the size-12's, now this cannot be because they were soiled or urine-soaked since the size-12's and longjohns left on her were also urine-soaked!

If you consider the missing size-6 underwear as forensic evidence removed from the original crime-scene e.g. not the wine-cellar, then they must have played a part in her death. So either they will have contained blood stains, pubic hairs and/or semen else why remove them?

So rather than an Intruder or Toilet Rage Theory I reckon people should consider a Sexual Rage Theory as the cause of JonBenet's death, it may ultimately not be correct, but it would be more consistent with the current forensic evidence than either of the Intruder or Toilet Rage Theories!


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Thank you UK. This is a horrific murder. There is no evidence of an intruder after 10 years, and I don't believe there ever will be. My son was telling me about this show he saw on two murders and the detectives were speaking of the victims and the crime scene. The gist is (they said) that the crime scene of a murder at the time of the murder is a hundred times worse than what we read about or hear about.

My point in bringing this up is I think there were some horrific things going on that night. They brought her to the basement and it was horrific down there. I don't know where she was hit, can't even speculate.

I read somewhere that there were fibers from the cord around her hands in her bed. As you said, she is wearing size 12 underwear. Why is she wearing those. It is just very strange. Everything about this murder is strange and the Ramseys, imo, have tried to appear as loving as possible BECAUSE they know how horrible is was that night.

We see them on tv dressed up with Patsy and her suits and her make up and John very softspoken. But this is not the way they were that night. They were horrific. I really believe this now.

 

[rashomon]

Solace,
If you consider the missing size-6 underwear as forensic evidence removed from the original crime-scene e.g. not the wine-cellar, then they must have played a part in her death. So either they will have contained blood stains, pubic hairs and/or semen else why remove them?

So rather than an Intruder or Toilet Rage Theory I reckon people should consider a Sexual Rage Theory as the cause of JonBenet's death, it may ultimately not be correct, but it would be more consistent with the current forensic evidence than either of the Intruder or Toilet Rage Theories!

UkGuy,
But wouldn't a 'sexual rage' attack have left far more severe injuries to JB's genital area than that relatively small paintbrush wound? A wound which according to medical experts, did not point to a rage attack at all, but to a calculatedly inflicted injury?

 

[UKGuy]

UkGuy,
But wouldn't a 'sexual rage' attack have left far more severe injuries to JB's genital area than that relatively small paintbrush wound? A wound which according to medical experts, did not point to a rage attack at all, but to a calculatedly inflicted injury?

rashomon,

Thats if you assume some kind of violent rape scenario.

JonBenet may have been being regularly sexually abused, she displays the signs of this both physically and emotionally, her recurrent bedwetting and daytime soiling may have been her way in attempting to communicate her inner trauma?

JonBenet will have played a role in some other adult's fantasy, over time, this may have escalated, leaving JonBenet emotionally confused and disorientated, she will have felt an intense anger towards her abuser, causing her further inner turmoil.

So its possible she refused to take part in some session of abuse, or during it her abuser, already sexually aroused and excited, went one step too far, forgetting she was only six-years old. Or JonBenet stated she was going to tell her family doctor or the school nurse whatever, at this point her abuser, taking JonBenet by the neck, told her to shut up, as she was slowly asphyxiated, then as she was released her head hits the floor, fracturing her skull.

The sexual rage I am considering need not be violent in origin more the kind of impetus resulting from seeking pleasure that yields a disregard, or thoughtfulness for the victim.

So rather than JonBenet refusing to take part, her participation may have put her abuser over the edge so to speak!


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[4sure]

Found it!


http://www.acandyrose.com/04032001enquirer.htm


-Tea

Sorry that is a bogus article. You should never go to the National Enquire for facts on anything yet going to a sceond hand source to prove a point. It looks bad.

 

[4sure]

4Sure: PR most certainly did say that. Since you are so repulsed by it, does it change your mind about Patsy?

Never happened. Still waiting for the direct quote from PR.

 

[4sure]

Solace,

If you accept Coroner Meyer's reported autopsy remarks regarding the enlargement of JonBenet's hymen, .

Still waiting for you to show me where the autopsy mentions that Coroner Meyer thinks that JBR's hymen is enlarged.

 

[4sure]

I haven't been keeping up with this forum as much as I could have lately, and I'm only guessing you are IDI 4sure, but with an attitude like that you'd almost have to be!
Tea found the source for you

Hi Narlacat. Come on read that article its complete bullsh!t written by some RDI. I don't beleive that ever appeared in any paper. Even if it did your talking about the NE not the New York Times.

I never have been IDI or RDI but this site is sure turning me into IDI quick.

 

[icedtea4me]

Sorry that is a bogus article. You should never go to the National Enquire for facts on anything yet going to a sceond hand source to prove a point. It looks bad.

Translation: Thank you, Tea, for finding that!


-Tea

 

[narlacat]

Hi Narlacat. Come on read that article its complete bullsh!t written by some RDI. I don't beleive that ever appeared in any paper. Even if it did your talking about the NE not the New York Times.

I never have been IDI or RDI but this site is sure turning me into IDI quick.

HI 4sure
I actually thought that was in one of the LE interviews, I'm pretty sure PR said that but haven't got time to check right now.
Will check back.