Ned's Final Theory-Lou Smit are you still reading here?

[Nuisanceposter]

Which would also clear JR and PR.

The DNA that could very well have already been on the undies in the package before Patsy Ramsey even purchased the package? The DNA that was fragmented and degraded, most likely because it had been there for some time before the undies found their way on JonBenet's body?

Dr Henry Lee bought identical packages of underwear and tested them and found DNA on them. There is no proof that that DNA came from the killer, and with Dr Lee's tests, it's extremely likely it didn't.

 

[Solace]

The DNA that could very well have already been on the undies in the package before Patsy Ramsey even purchased the package? The DNA that was fragmented and degraded, most likely because it had been there for some time before the undies found their way on JonBenet's body?

Dr Henry Lee bought identical packages of underwear and tested them and found DNA on them. There is no proof that that DNA came from the killer, and with Dr Lee's tests, it's extremely likely it didn't.

NP, Also, I believe the DNA in the underwear was older than Jon Benets which leads me and others to believe that that DNA was already there from the warehouse. NP, as much as this is posted, even when the forensic specialist who along with another doctor (says Erin Moriarity) matched the dna in the underwear and the fingernails, even when THIS VERY DOCTOR, comes right out and says that more research would be needed to claim this, even with this, Erin Moriarity comes on tv and disregards that - because it is a story that she wants a part of. She knows it has been disputed and so does Mr. John Ramsey.

 

[BBB167893]

Well said, folks!

 

[rashomon]

Solace, where exactly does John say that he replaced the chair - could you give a link? TIA, for there's so much going on in this thread that I can hardly catch up.

Rash,

I have the National Enquirer book with ONLY THE INTERVIEWS. I do not have the book with me today, but it is in the interview with LOU SMIT. I will get the exact dialogue tomorrow - I am working- but it is around Page 313, the end of the book and John is shown some crime scene photographs and one is showing the chair blocking the door to the wine cellar. He says he went down there between 7 and 9 and moved the chair to get into the wine cellar and looked around for maybe 30 seconds and came out and replaced the chair.

Wow, so did John say verbatim that the chair blocked the door to the wine cellar, and not to the train room (called 'hobby room' in PMPT)?
I always thought John said the chair blocked the door to the train room (?)

 

[Solace]

Wow, so did John say verbatim that the chair blocked the door to the wine cellar, and not to the train room (called 'hobby room' in PMPT)?
I always thought John said the chair blocked the door to the train room (?)

Okay, I am sorry, the door to the train room. She was found in the wine cellar, am I right. I am seeing double now. the room he went into first, the train room, I believe is where the chair is and it is photographed that way. He went in there and came out and replace dthe chair. SO SORRY RASH.

 

[Charlie]

Not if your the one who's directing the cover up like so many accuse JR of. He seems to have just as much money and friends as JR and maybe even more. If you have inside info and know there's not going to be a IP then you can shout it till George Bush finds WMD's in Iraq and it's not going to matter or make a darn bit of difference.

I don't know he's guilty. I just see no reason to think he couldn't be except for DNA tests. Which would also clear JR and PR.

I'm guessing the fact that there is more evidence to suggest the ramseys are guilty than fleet white is woudlnt matter much to you. as far as the DNA goes, when will idi's stop using the DNA as some kind of magic tool to eliminate suspects with. The DNA as has been shown, could have come from anywhere and anytime other than the murder, therefore it shouldnt be used to eliminate anyone. the very test henry lee performed with another pair of packaged panties supports this.

 

[Solace]

I'm guessing the fact that there is more evidence to suggest the ramseys are guilty than fleet white is woudlnt matter much to you. as far as the DNA goes, when will idi's stop using the DNA as some kind of magic tool to eliminate suspects with. The DNA as has been shown, could have come from anywhere and anytime other than the murder, therefore it shouldnt be used to eliminate anyone. the very test henry lee performed with another pair of packaged panties supports this.

Exactly Charlie. It has been told ad nauseum that the DNA is not a match and yet it still comes up on these boards. Erin Moriarity knows the dna is not a match and is fairly useless as far as an intruder goes, Trip De Muth knows this AND SO DOES JOHN RAMSEY. They are all AWARE that the one of the"dna specialists" who did the testing came out and said it is not a definite.

IMO, after seeing John Ramsey on this pathetic show (where the camera zoomed in and out of J. Karr's eyes - like some amateur movie), I believe more than ever that he had something to do with the murder of his daugher. He found her. He went straight to her at 1:00 p.m. And he feels sorry for John Karr who he believes murdered his daughter. He said this with a half smile on his face. I won't bother going into THE MOUNTAIN of evidence that we have against Patsy and we all know it.

 

[Cypros]

Wow, so did John say verbatim that the chair blocked the door to the wine cellar, and not to the train room (called 'hobby room' in PMPT)?
I always thought John said the chair blocked the door to the train room (?)

I am at work and do not have a link to JR's interview, but it was the TRAIN room that JR says he was entering when he had to move the chair -- NOT the wine cellar.

 

[Cypros]

Yes and I think we are about to find out why. Craig Silverman Former Denver DA...consultant on the JonBent case. Well he just reacted to the implication that John Mark Karr remains under suspicion and the whole of the 48 hours thing. He handed some people their hats and their rears. Hes on fire and he's not going to stop Heres the link to the Fox News story.
He wants to know what interest Feds or Homeland Security have in John Mark Karr a kook who confessed....He called it a gift from DA Lacy to Ramsey. Isnt this what I said was going to happen .... And if Homeland security is showing an interest that best speak to the "political agenda" that remains in this matter. You go Craig.....clean out the whole darn vipers nest!!

:woohoo:

Here is the link http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231921,00.html

Colorado,
Do you have a link to a story about silverman's reaction to this ludicrous fantasy? I would love to see these faux documentary's bounce and bite Tracey, Smit and Ramsey in their arses. :croc:

 

[cami]

My friend, the ransom note alone tells me she is bipolar. No one but a lunatic would think that would fly. I don't get John going along with it.

Agree. My bf who knows practically nothing about this case declared Patsy insane just for putting JonBenet in those pageants.

 

[BBB167893]

But the most important thing that was already mentioned but needs to be emphasized, is Mary Lacy's own admission that the DNA "could be artifact".

You'd think that would be important.

as far as the DNA goes, when will idi's stop using the DNA as some kind of magic tool to eliminate suspects with. The DNA as has been shown, could have come from anywhere and anytime other than the murder, therefore it shouldnt be used to eliminate anyone. the very test henry lee performed with another pair of packaged panties supports this.

They didn't eliminate anyone with it. They eliminated them because there was no evidence.

 

[coloradokares]

Colorado,
Do you have a link to a story about silverman's reaction to this ludicrous fantasy? I would love to see these faux documentary's bounce and bite Tracey, Smit and Ramsey in their arses. :croc:

I wish I did. Since its airing I have gone to Fox news to acquire it as they generally provide transcripts of the news report. This one was immediately following the airing of the 48 hours piece. No transcript. Only what I provided earlier . Which at the time that posted to Fox News website. 48 hours had not yet aired. You could always write Fox news requesting a transcript or video. I am seriously thinking of doing that. Its was a thing of beauty. It should be preserved for all times. Silverman handing them their collective hats and bums. You got to love a work of beauty like that.

 

[Cypros]

I wish I did. Since its airing I have gone to Fox news to acquire it as they generally provide transcripts of the news report. This one was immediately following the airing of the 48 hours piece. No transcript. Only what I provided earlier . Which at the time that posted to Fox News website. 48 hours had not yet aired. You could always write Fox news requesting a transcript or video. I am seriously thinking of doing that. Its was a thing of beauty. It should be preserved for all times. Silverman handing them their collective hats and bums. You got to love a work of beauty like that.

Ok, so you saw it on the TV news. It wasn't clear what your source was. It sounds like a great development but strange that more hasn't been reported on it since Saturday evening. Let's hope that there is some follow through by responsible investigators on the misrepresentation of facts.

 

[coloradokares]

Ok, so you saw it on the TV news. It wasn't clear what your source was. It sounds like a great development but strange that more hasn't been reported on it since Saturday evening. Let's hope that there is some follow through by responsible investigators on the misrepresentation of facts.

Fox News isn't exactly small potatoes coverage. Fox News is pretty big. But what I don't get is no transcript of Silverman saying yeah right what would the US Governments Department of Homeland Securities interest be in a nearly 10 year old murder in Boulder Colorado..... Not to mention the beauty of him explaining DA Lacy's bias. And how Karr was no more than a gift to the Ramseys from Lacey. I loved it.

 

[Credence]

Fox News isn't exactly small potatoes coverage. Fox News is pretty big. But what I don't get is no transcript of Silverman saying yeah right what would the US Governments Department of Homeland Securities interest be in a nearly 10 year old murder in Boulder Colorado..... Not to mention the beauty of him explaining DA Lacy's bias. And how Karr was no more than a gift to the Ramseys from Lacey. I loved it.

I did a search but there is no story that even mentions Silverman. Are you sure it was Fox?? I'd like to see it too.

http://www.tinyurl.com/tveom

 

[rashomon]

Agree. My bf who knows practically nothing about this case declared Patsy insane just for putting JonBenet in those pageants.

Cami, my husband said the same when he saw JB in that Las Vegas showgirl outfit. He just couldn't believe that parents would dress up their child like that.

IDIs often try to play it down, claiming that those pageants are harmless because all little girls like dressing up in nice clothes.
But there's a difference as to whether a little girl comes dressed as e. g. Cinderella or as Marilyn Monroe.

I always ask IDIs to do the litmus test for themselves: so if in their opinion these pageants are harmless, would they too put put their daughter in high heels and a sexually alluring outfit like Patsy did? I'm still waiting for IDIs to say that this is harmles too.
And since they can't say it is harmless, they prefer not to reply to the question.

And if John allowed Patsy to do this, he must be just as disturbed as his wife was.

 

[4sure]

, would they too put put their daughter in high heels and a sexually alluring outfit .

There is nothing sexually allluring about a six year old girl no matter how she is dressed. Unless you think every man in the world is a pedophile who is repressing his true feelings.

 

[Texana]

Cami, my husband said the same when he saw JB in that Las Vegas showgirl outfit. He just couldn't believe that parents would dress up their child like that.

IDIs often try to play it down, claiming that those pageants are harmless because all little girls like dressing up in nice clothes.
But there's a difference as to whether a little girl comes dressed as e. g. Cinderella or as Marilyn Monroe.

I always ask IDIs to do the litmus test for themselves: so if in their opinion these pageants are harmless, would they too put put their daughter in high heels and a sexually alluring outfit like Patsy did? I'm still waiting for IDIs to say that this is harmles too.
And since they can't say it is harmless, they prefer not to reply to the question.

And if John allowed Patsy to do this, he must be just as disturbed as his wife was.

I'm undecided on the IDI and the RDI issue...and I certainly think that pageants are definitely not harmless, and the outfit was, to put it mildly, not appropriate for any child...

If anything, .the IDIs would be more in line that the pageants did put JonBenet in danger. JMO.

 

[JMO8778]

There is nothing sexually allluring about a six year old girl no matter how she is dressed. Unless you think every man in the world is a pedophile who is repressing his true feelings.

There are inappropriate ways to dress a child,and the pageants certainly encouraged that.PR took it to an extreme..and you have to wonder why.
JB looked like a 21 yo,not only in the face,but also in the clothes,in some of those pageants.It was just getting more and more bizarre,and some of the mothers were planning on getting together with PR after Xmas to talk to her about it.Apparently they didn't think it was good for a child that age to be so decked out as to look like an adult, and taught to strut around,etc.

 

[rashomon]

There is nothing sexually allluring about a six year old girl no matter how she is dressed. Unless you think every man in the world is a pedophile who is repressing his true feelings.

You can show this photo of JB in the Las Vegas showgirl outfit to any man (not a pedophile, but a normal man) and then ask him if an outfit like that is not meant to be sexually alluring.
What was Patsy's motive for dressing up her child heavily made-up and in high heels, looking like a glamorous prostitute? That's the question to ask.
Patsy for example chose photographer Randy Simmons because he had the reputation of being able to make a six-year-old girl look like twenty in his pictures.
And her favorite song was "Wherever we go" which is about an ambitious mother who pushes her young daughter into stripping. She liked to sing this song together with JB.
I don't know the song myself, but several other posters have mentioned this.