He did not plead guilty.Well. That is some truly disturbing information. I am utterly stunned that the defendant has the gall to plead guilty and put Grace’s family through this trial. Her poor family.
He did not plead guilty.Well. That is some truly disturbing information. I am utterly stunned that the defendant has the gall to plead guilty and put Grace’s family through this trial. Her poor family.
As a local to the area that this all happened, my observation is that the places they visited - Andy's Burgers, Mexican Cafe and Bluestone Room - seem a very strange choice for drinks for people that age. Mexican Cafe has lots of young people but that's because it's a cheap place to dine out. I don't think I've ever heard of people going there and not ordering food - it's definitely more of a restaurant than a bar. There are just way more 'cool' places I guess that people that age would go to in the CBD. When I think about these three places the only thing that they have 'going for them' (for want of a better phrase) is that they're very handy to the defendant's apartment. And pretty handy to Grace's hostel too. The three places get progressively closer and closer to the citylife hotel where he lived, and I am guessing that he was working on getting Grace back to his place. We of course know that Grace seemingly went there willingly so it's not anything earth shattering I know, just an observation.
Do you think admitting this was a big mistake ? If, as a prosecutor you admit you cannot know what happened in that room, you must admit of reasonable doubt.
Hence manslaughter is inevitable. Remember he is speaking directly to the jury here on Day 1 !
Right, how convenient is it if throttling someone (let's face it, pretty much always a female someone) to death is now classified as accidental side effect of consensual sex, for which the male should not be held to account for or even, according to this guy's attorney, feel too bad about?
His actions with photographing her corpse and hopping right back on Tinder are beyond sinister. Even more sinister than disposing of the body IMO.
Speaking of Tinder was there anything in court about the timing of their Tinder connection or communications before they met up on Dec 1?
Nah - it is a reasonably common meme in these trials. His lying indicates he is hiding what really happened.
The prosecution can't be expected to know all the details, but we know enough. It is a common template.
But the prosecutor is telling the jury he does not, and they also cannot know what really happened. I have never heard of that before.
In the CCTV footage I found it so sad when Grace is interacting with others such as the cashier as they are paying, she has such a kind smile.
Watch: CCTV footage of Grace Millane's final date – what the jury has seen
What was he doing rifling through her purse? What a creep.
Surprising how the Luminol lit up the hotel room --that's a lot of blood for an asphyxiation. Me thinks there was more to her injuries. Perhaps the condition she was found be in limited the conclusions that could be drawn from autopsy?
But the prosecutor is telling the jury he does not, and they also cannot know what really happened. I have never heard of that before.
160 Culpable homicide
(1) Homicide may be either culpable or not culpable.
(2) Homicide is culpable when it consists in the killing of any person—
(a)
by an unlawful act; or [/ snipped]
(3) Except as provided in section 178, culpable homicide is either murder or manslaughter.
(4) Homicide that is not culpable is not an offence.
167Murder defined
Culpable homicide is murder in each of the following cases:
(a) if the offender means to cause the death of the person killed:
(b) if the offender means to cause to the person killed any bodily injury that is known to the offender to be likely to cause death, and is reckless whether death ensues or not:
(c) if the offender means to cause death, or, being so reckless as aforesaid, means to cause such bodily injury as aforesaid to one person, and by accident or mistake kills another person, though he or she does not mean to hurt the person killed:
(d) if the offender for any unlawful object does an act that he or she knows to be likely to cause death, and thereby kills any person, though he or she may have desired that his or her object should be effected without hurting any one.
“9.20pm - Grace leaves the table. The defendant picks up Grace's handbag and looks inside it while she is off camera. He takes a sip of her drink also.”
Going through her bag while she was away from the table. Sounding like an all-round great guy, this one.
That stood out to me too. How creepy.
No I don't think it's a mistake - I don't interpret "only two people know what happened"as a directive to the jury that they cannot collectively agree on what happened, based on the evidence - from Grace's body, the defendant's actions and other evidence contradicting his account.Do you think admitting this was a big mistake ? If, as a prosecutor you admit you cannot know what happened in that room, you must admit of reasonable doubt.
Hence manslaughter is inevitable. Remember he is speaking directly to the jury here on Day 1 !
Saw this on the NZ Herald website:
"By 9.10pm the pair appear to be very comfortable in each other's company and continue to kiss. Millane then leaves the table at 9.20pm and enters main room of the pub - possibly to use the bathroom.
The accused initially waits and uses his phone but then picks up Millane's handbag and appears to go through it, looking at items inside.
After rummaging through her bag, however, he puts it back in a different place than where it was left - on the stool rather than the table - but Millane doesn't notice when she returns."
Watch: CCTV footage of Grace Millane's final date – what the jury has seen
Sounds like he was having a good look in it. So creepy.
Saw this on the NZ Herald website:
"By 9.10pm the pair appear to be very comfortable in each other's company and continue to kiss. Millane then leaves the table at 9.20pm and enters main room of the pub - possibly to use the bathroom.
The accused initially waits and uses his phone but then picks up Millane's handbag and appears to go through it, looking at items inside.
After rummaging through her bag, however, he puts it back in a different place than where it was left - on the stool rather than the table - but Millane doesn't notice when she returns."
Watch: CCTV footage of Grace Millane's final date – what the jury has seen
Sounds like he was having a good look in it. So creepy.