GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - # 9

[SurfieTX]

I think that is why LE released the photo of her bag and jewelry/necklace. Those are 2 things to look for.

 

[MFFJM2]

Please tell us here how we can help, MFFJM2. And how we mess up. Be brutal- we are behind screens lol.

Thanks Sir/Ma'am and thanks for what ya'll do.

IMHO this is what you, what we all can do.

You can keep passing pictures on flyers around the area where she was last seen, and then in ever widening circles. Myrtle Beach as a starting point, and then out to gas stations frequented by truckers. You can try to get the family of the missing person to go on TV, especially nationally sydicated shows like "America's Most Wanted" with pictures of the missing person. The more people that see the pictures the more likely someone will remember her, and that will help the police find her.

When parents go on TV they should also show pictures of the missing or abducted person from when they were a baby or infant. Never appear angry or as someone who desires revenge.

In the best of all situations the person who is travelling with her, possibly posing as a parent, will decide there's too much heat and simply drop her at a bus station.

That Abigail was permitted to write a letter to her mother tells us that although possibly manipulated or coerced she was still alive and likely uninjured.

Leave the police and the FBI to do their work without constantly asking for updates, and then complaining when they aren't forthcoming.

Hold candlelight vigils for the safe return of the victim, and get the local press involved. Hold birthday parties for the victim, and get the press involved. Use every opportunity to get pictures of the missing person to the press. Somewhere there's a person, not involved in the abduction, who knows what's going on, and that is the person you're trying to reach. This case is not a serial killer case, but that doesn't mean it couldn't turn deadly.

"What kinds of things should we focus on when keeping an eye out for her?"

People change over time, and if she is travelling with someone they may be insisting she disguise herself (wigs, hair color, sunglasses, clothes, etc).

"I wonder how someone might recognize her, especially if she's changed her appearance (hair cut, hair color, different clothes)?"

The jawline, height, weight, eye color, and any scars or distinguishing marks are good methods for recognizing people, even in disguise. Piercings, tattoos, and birthmarks are especially helpful. If you think someone is using a disguise, and they're a minor, ask them if they're okay, and trust your instincts. Remember that young girls can be dressed as boys.

If it doesn't seem right, take down everything: time of day; location; direction they came and went; if they have a vehicle, and all the particulars about that vehicle; clothing; and what if anything they were doing that you observed. Report that information to the police and the FBI. Elizabeth Smart could have been rescued much earlier if people simply followed that advice.

'Mannerisms"

Unless you're a close friend or a family member these mannerisms will not be known to you.

"Thing is, if any of my children were missing they could change a lot but I'd still recognize them by their voice, or their mannerisms or their eye shape, etc. It's harder when it's someone you've never met and you only see two dimensional photos. I'm sure that to her family AH looks the same in all the pics we've seen, but in some of the pics she looks like another person. I wonder and worry that people may be passing her on the street and not even recognize her because they don't know her. So what should people focus on when looking for her?"

This is why as many pictures of her as possible in differing clothes and different situations should be used, rather than simply the latest photo.

"And I can understand why it's not helpful to release the contents of the letter, but why not the postmark? At least to know if she travelled south or north or east or west? I'm sure that wherever that postmark was from is probably not where she is now, but it would be helpful to know what direction she travelled in."

Two things can happen if the person travelling with AH gets frightened, he can drop her or he can hurt her. The main desire of law enforcement is to get the former without the perpetrator considering the latter. We want the pressure of travelling with this child to become too great to continue as they have, but not so great that he thinks murder is a solution. This is a tightrope, and you should believe that those who have the experience are doing what's best.

"And is there a chance that an amber alert could still be issued if someone were to come forward with a description of a car or a person they saw with her that day on her walk home?"

An Amber Alert is always possible if the police have credible and timely evidence of a location, vehicle, and direction, but the witness report needs to be of them as they are now, not as they were two or three months ago.

"For example, if someone had been up there leaf-peeping and didn't know this had happened and turned on the news tomorrow and heard about for the first time and realized they had seen something."

All witness statements are valuable, and need to be processed according to the rules of evidence. Anyone who has any information about Abigail Hernandez should contact their local police at once, even if it was just a passing contact.

 

[MamaJoJo]

LE is now looking for someone who helped her leave--because we know someone at least 3-4 years older than her very young (14 at the time) self. That person (or persons) has officially committed a very serious crime. LE is looking for that person.

LE is looking for someone who helped her leave? That person has "officially" committed a serious crime? This would mean a major break in the case. Please provide a link.

 

[majikbeans]

I meant someone at least 4 years older (not in school anymore)--possibly older. And was this not expressed during the presser when the AG said if you are with Abby, "you are not helping Abby"?

So, LE is involved with a "runaway" because they supposed that someone is helping her (keeping her), and that person would be in deep trouble.

 

[takeitfromme412]

I meant someone at least 4 years older (not in school anymore)--possibly older. And was this not expressed during the presser when the AG said if you are with Abby, "you are not helping Abby"?

So, LE is involved with a "runaway" because they supposed that someone is helping her (keeping her), and that person would be in deep trouble.

She is not classified as a runaway. She is classified as a missing child. This case is being treated as a potential abduction, but with nothing else taken off the table. There is no evidence that she ran away and there is no solid evidence that she was abducted. This is why she is classified as a missing person. She has no history of running away. The fact that she is missing is uncharacteristic of this child. Please, everyone keep that in mind.

 

[MamaJoJo]

I meant someone at least 4 years older (not in school anymore)--possibly older. And was this not expressed during the presser when the AG said if you are with Abby, "you are not helping Abby"?

So, LE is involved with a "runaway" because they supposed that someone is helping her (keeping her), and that person would be in deep trouble.

Again, I ask for a link. I have only heard these two quotes in the recent press conference (http://www.wmur.com/page/search/htv...ndez/-/9857858/23355284/-/cgftib/-/index.html) which refer to LE's position on Abby's case:

JY said, "If somebody has Abby, we implore you to make that contact."

KR said, "Someone may now be coercing her; someone may now be manipulating her."

These statements to me are suggesting a possibility not a fact. If LE have said any of which you have posted in your last two posts, please indicate where you read it. Thanks.

 

[tlcya]

I believe majikbeans construed that from the statements that have been quoted above from the presser. I will add this one as well which I take to mean that LE believes that an adult who may have nefarious purposes is assisting in or responsible for her continued absence:

"The reason we're announcing this today is that law enforcement had to take very possible step to verify its authenticity, and at this juncture, we believe it was written by Abby and sent to her mother," said Associate Attorney General Jane Young.

The FBI believes the North Conway teen is alive, but in "grave danger."

SNIP

Investigators said they are concerned Abigail may be being manipulated by someone. They asked that people consider whether someone new moved into their area recently with a young woman.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/miss.../23349660/-/jetvo8/-/index.html#ixzz2nla70m3X

While it was unclear whether Hernandez left willingly or was abducted, Ramsey said investigators' "worst fear" is "someone may now be coercing her."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-teen-abigail-hernandez-police-refuse-give-search/story?id=21136674

Investigators said they decided to come forward with the existence of the letter because they fear the teen may be in "grave" danger and could perhaps be used for sexual exploitation if she is still alive.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-hampshire-teen-abigail-hernandez-mom-letter/story?id=21123809

All of the above would lead me to beleive that LE feels Abby may be with an adult who has less than admirable motivations for continuing or assisting in continuing Abby's absence from home. If that is true, that person is in a world of trouble.

 

[MamaJoJo]

I believe majikbeans construed that from the statements that have been quoted above from the presser. I will add this one as well which I take to mean that LE believes that an adult who may have nefarious purposes is assisting in or responsible for her continued absence:

"The reason we're announcing this today is that law enforcement had to take very possible step to verify its authenticity, and at this juncture, we believe it was written by Abby and sent to her mother," said Associate Attorney General Jane Young.

The FBI believes the North Conway teen is alive, but in "grave danger."

SNIP

Investigators said they are concerned Abigail may be being manipulated by someone. They asked that people consider whether someone new moved into their area recently with a young woman.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/miss.../23349660/-/jetvo8/-/index.html#ixzz2nla70m3X

While it was unclear whether Hernandez left willingly or was abducted, Ramsey said investigators' "worst fear" is "someone may now be coercing her."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-teen-abigail-hernandez-police-refuse-give-search/story?id=21136674

Investigators said they decided to come forward with the existence of the letter because they fear the teen may be in "grave" danger and could perhaps be used for sexual exploitation if she is still alive.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-hampshire-teen-abigail-hernandez-mom-letter/story?id=21123809

All of the above would lead me to beleive that LE feels Abby may be with an adult who has less than admirable motivations for continuing or assisting in continuing Abby's absence from home. If that is true, that person is in a world of trouble.

Yes, but to state, like Majikbeans did, that LE is looking for someone who is four years older and who has "officially" committed a crime, is not accurate. While we can construe and form our own opinions about what LE has released and said, it does a disservice IMHO to state what we construe as fact.

Thank you for posting all of the links and quotes, tlcya. My take on the case has been the same since day one - that she was abducted by someone she knew (however fleetingly) and is being held against her will. But, that is my opinion based on the initial circumstances and has been supported, IMO, by the bits and pieces of information that have subsequently been reported. Even though I believe my position, it is counterproductive for me to state it as fact.

Maybe if majik had added "IMO" I wouldn't be trying to make a point. But, she didn't...so I am.

 

[tlcya]

I just read the IMO between the lines I guess. To me it was understood since there was no link that majik was speculating.

 

[MamaJoJo]

I just read the IMO between the lines I guess. To me it was understood since there was no link that majik was speculating.

Point taken

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, LE is covering all of the bases. They do not know where she is or who she might be with now. Due to her age, she is in danger, regardless. Letting the public know about the possible dangers is done in hopes of a better response from the public, IMO. As we all know, runaways do not capture the interest of media or the public for long. Throw in a few sinister possibilities and ears perk up. And it could be true...but IMO, they do not know.

 

[tlcya]

Yes, but to state, like Majikbeans did, that LE is looking for someone who is four years older and who has "officially" committed a crime, is not accurate. While we can construe and form our own opinions about what LE has released and said, it does a disservice IMHO to state what we construe as fact.

Thank you for posting all of the links and quotes, tlcya. My take on the case has been the same since day one - that she was abducted by someone she knew (however fleetingly) and is being held against her will. But, that is my opinion based on the initial circumstances and has been supported, IMO, by the bits and pieces of information that have subsequently been reported. Even though I believe my position, it is counterproductive for me to state it as fact.

Maybe if majik had added "IMO" I wouldn't be trying to make a point. But, she didn't...so I am.

for what its worth since its just MOO, lol, I tend to lean towards her planning to meet/take off in a non permanent way with someone who lured her. I do not think she ran away but I do believe she intended to meet up with someone in secret to engage in plans of some sort. I think whatever happened once she met up with said person was far different than what she had been lead to believe or expected. In other words a combination of went willingly but abducted at some point.

I do not think a random stranger/crime of opportunity applies here.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Amazing quinceañera tradition of Latins...Have been thinking of that from the beginning....Could her dream be being a beatiful quinceañera? Just a thought .. and what a beautiful quinceañera she is gonna be...I hope..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinceañera#Mexico

And her mom said in her letter 'Abby , you are a strong young woman... ' guessing she said that on purpose there...

 

[majikbeans]

Catching up a bit late. Sorry not to have added IMO to my posts.

Definitely IMO about the person she may have left with--someone at least three years older, someone now in trouble with federal authorities, someone who has bitten off a big piece of trouble.

But NOT IMO about her following a different path on the day she disappeared, veering away from friends, boyfriend, not traveling on the bus as mom expected her to, and not IMO that a letter believed to be sent by her, according to LE, was received weeks after her disappearance. Not IMO that her mother directly addresses her and refers to helping her achieve her "dreams" after letter was received. And IMO, that she has no earlier history of running away is irrelevant--a red herring--she was only 14, just barely a high school student when she disappeared.

And, IMO: "Missing persons" don't send letters.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Catching up a bit late. Sorry not to have added IMO to my posts.

Definitely IMO about the person she may have left with--someone at least three years older, someone now in trouble with federal authorities, someone who has bitten off a big piece of trouble.

But NOT IMO about her following a different path on the day she disappeared, veering away from friends, boyfriend, not traveling on the bus as mom expected her to, and not IMO that a letter believed to be sent by her, according to LE, was received weeks after her disappearance. Not IMO that her mother directly addresses her and refers to helping her achieve her "dreams" after letter was received. And IMO, that she has no earlier history of running away is irrelevant--a red herring--she was only 14, just barely a high school student when she disappeared.

And, IMO: "Missing persons" don't send letters.

But if the letter didn't lead them to her location, isn't her location still unknown, and thus she is still missing?

 

[Mom24]

Catching up a bit late. Sorry not to have added IMO to my posts.

Definitely IMO about the person she may have left with--someone at least three years older, someone now in trouble with federal authorities, someone who has bitten off a big piece of trouble.

But NOT IMO about her following a different path on the day she disappeared, veering away from friends, boyfriend, not traveling on the bus as mom expected her to, and not IMO that a letter believed to be sent by her, according to LE, was received weeks after her disappearance. Not IMO that her mother directly addresses her and refers to helping her achieve her "dreams" after letter was received. And IMO, that she has no earlier history of running away is irrelevant--a red herring--she was only 14, just barely a high school student when she disappeared.

And, IMO: "Missing persons" don't send letters.

BBM There are cases in which missing people have been forced to write letters to loved ones while being held captive.
John Jamelske - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/28/austria.cellar/
so missing people do write letters.

 

[tlcya]

you are correct majik, it is rare/unusual for a MP to write a letter, at least in cases that we hear about.

I am reminded though of how many MP's we never hear of, who are never investigated by LE or that never even make their local news, so it is not something we can really judge the rarity of but yes, it is unusual.

 

[J Block]

I think they already know the who (she's with), what (really happened to Abby-she left on her own), why (she ran away), and how (by foot and then eventually by car through older friend), but they don't know where they have gone.

Just my opinion, I have no facts as to why I think this way.

Lets hypothetically assume all of your above stated opinion is correct. In your opinion, at what point in the investigation do you feel this scenario was realized ?

 

[J Block]

http://www.wmur.com/page/search/htv...ndez/-/9857858/23355284/-/cgftib/-/index.html

this is the entire news conference from December 6......

ETA I suggest that those of you who are stating misinformation regarding this PC should watch it again..... I've corrected quite a few people on here regarding just this PC..... please, take the 20 minutes and rewatch it before stating more misinformation

"Thanks" X 10.

 

[cluciano63]

In all of the cases here, current and past, that I have seen where a young girl is thought to be with an older make, the male's name has been announced by LE, as well as any other info that might lead to her recovery. If NH has decided to buck the trend here...I hope it works for them i.e if they know who but won't say. Many of the other cases brought quick, positive results by naming the POI.