NH NH - Allenstown, Adult Female & 3 Children, found Nov'85 & May'00

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For what it's worth, I think this girl somewhat resembles the newest reconstruction of the mother.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7040/6/
I'm from the area, and I don't know a lot of details on her case as she disappeared 18 years before I was born but from what I've gathered a lot of locals believe that she was killed and dumped in one of the area strip mines.

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So the middle child is not maternally linked to any of the others, but could still be related somehow paternally. Researchers so far can't rule that out. All they know is that the oldest woman is maternally (mother, aunt (of mother), or sister) to the oldest and youngest children. The 3 maternally related victims could a) not be related to middle child at all, b) be paternally related (aunt (of middle child's father), paternal half sisters). They could possibly be cousins paternally as well.
 
I believe this could be a moving factor.

What I am about to say depends on the following points.

If we
- believe that the woman was 25-30 when she died
- she came from the areas that the isotopes show
- she died between 1980 and 1984
- If we summarize the first and third points, then she would likely have been born between 1950 and 1959.
- The oldest child, if she is her daughter, would have been born between 1970 and 1975.
then she could be one of these missing females, who disappeared between 1950 and 1975.

All results taken from NamUs and Wikipedia.

Remember, this is IF she was reported missing.

Washington

Ann Burr, 8, Tacoma, Washington, 31st August 1961. Went into her parents' room during the night as her sister was crying. The front door was locked and chained that night, but found open the next morning. A small living room window was also found open.

AGE c.1980-1984: 27-31

Jeannette Miller, 17, Arlington, Washington, 16th September 1970. Two days after her seventeenth birthday, Jeanette was seen at the Lincoln Bridge.

AGE: c.1980-1984: 27-31

Oregon

Rita Jolly, 17, West Linn, Oregon, 29th June 1973. Left her residence at 7.30pm to go for a walk. Last seen between 8.30pm and 9pm walking uphill on Sunset Avenue.

AGE c.1980-1984: 24-28

Deborah Tomlinson, 16, Creswell, Oregon, October 15th 1973. On her sixteenth birthday, Deborah ran away with a female friend whose identity is unknown (second mother, maybe?).

AGE c.1980-1984: 23-27

California

Rose Cole, 15-16, Oakland, California, 1972-1973. Ran away from Synanon Foundation between fall 1972 and summer 1973. In a letter she wrote, she said she was living in the Chinatown neighborhood of San Francisco. Synanon has been described as a cult. (If she had a child by another cult member/someone from San Francisco and later moved to New England, it could explain the paternal issue)

AGE c.1980-1984: 23-27

Sherry Pickle, 15, Long Beach, California, 16th May 1972. May have tried to hitchhike to Los Angeles. May have traveled with a male companion.

AGE c.1980-1984: 23-27

Robin Graham, 18, Los Angeles, California, 15th November 1970. Last seen by Highway Patrol officers at 2am on the Hollywood Freeway near the Santa Monica off-ramp. They reported she was with a dark-haired white male in his mid-twenties who drove a late 1950s model Chevrolet Corvette C1, pale blue or green with primer. They assumed this was the help she'd called for and drove off.

AGE c.1980-1984: 28-32

Debra Pscholka, 12, Corona, California, 5th June 1971. Last seen going to a movie theater at approximately 8.15pm on 6th Street. Was thrown out for smoking. Said to friends she was going to the park.

AGE c.1980-1984: 23-27

Corinne Groenenberg, 14, Modesto, California, 1st November 1973. Last seen by a friend as she got into a blue or green truck with an unidentified male driver.

AGE c.1980-1984: 21-25

Linda Miller, 19, San Rafael, California, 1st July 1973. Went to Mexico with a friend possibly named 'Cary Kristal' and never returned. Not reported missing until 2001.

AGE c.1980-1984: 26-30
Arizona and New Mexico

Cynthia Leslie, 15, Mesa, Arizona, 31st July 1974. Last seen with her sister, Jackie Leslie, walking to a friend's house three blocks away from their residence in Desert Shores Mobile Home Park. It is unknown if they attended a party they said they were going to.

AGE c.1980-1984: 21-25

Patricia Chester, 12, Albuquerque, New Mexico, 17th June 1969. Seen at 3pm when she left her home in the 800 block of San Pedro Drive to sell raffle tickets. Last seen by a neighborhood girl who waved to her.

AGE c.1980-1984: 23-27

Pennsylvania

Rosemarie Roginski, 21, Ambridge, Pennsylvania, summer 1973. Last seen leaving her home. A year prior to her disappearance, she was assaulted in Baden, Pennsylvania. No idea if the man was caught or whether he is involved in her disappearance.

AGE c.1980-1984: 28-32

Patricia Seelbaugh, 17, Grove City, Pennsylvania, 26th October 1973. Went to a night out with friends at a truck stop off Interstate 80. A man dropped her off at her residence at about midnight.

AGE c.1980-1984: 24-28

Sandra Hopler, 18, La Plume, Pennsylvania, 29th September 1973. Last seen at a bus stop. Native of New Jersey.

AGE c.1980-1984: 25-29

New England

Lynne Schulze, 18, Middlebury, Vermont, 10th December 1971. Last seen on Court Street in Middlebury, outside of a bus stop and health food store.

AGE c.1980-1984: 27-31

Rhonda Labbe, 17, Billerica, Massachusetts, 8th August 1974. Left her mother's house to hitchhike back to her apartment where she lived with her boyfriend.

AGE c.1980-1984: 23-27

Mary Wesolowski, 13, Glens Falls, New York, 18th August 1971. Left her home on Broad Street to Haviland Cove to meet friends to go swimming.

AGE c.1980-1984: 22-26

Sheryl Tillinghast, 17, Wassaic, New York, 24th September 1973. Was employed by and lived at Wassaic State School. Left behind her possessions and two paychecks. Not reported missing until 1998.

AGE c.1980-1984: 24-28

Of those I have suggested, I would best look at Deborah Tomlinson, Rose Cole, Robin Graham, Corinne Groenenberg and Linda Miller due to circumstance. (Run away/last seen with unknown male) Linda Miller for me is of great note, since I believe she was Native American, but appears white.

Rhonda Labbe had a boyfriend, so she may have been pregnant (of course, any of these listed that had started their periods could also be looked at). If the first girl and third girl shared a mother, but not a father, this could link in.

Out of all the suggested, only Ann Burr and Cynthia Leslie seem to be a definite abductions. Out of distance, six were on the East Coast, with Lynne Schulze and Rhonda Labbe in states neighboring New Hampshire.

We also need to take into account that if all four were killed at the same time and the second and third girls were killed between 1980 and 1982, some of the years I suggested may have to be cut off.
 

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This is a tough one, for sure. It boggles my mind that four people possibly from one family can go missing and no one seems to be looking for them. Or, if they are, something about it isn't clicking for them, like the reconstructions don't look familiar or maybe they didn't know they were in NH? What are the chances that no one has reported them or realized they were missing are due to some other reason, like, the families think they died some other way, like in a fire or boating accident, where there is a potential to find no remains? If they lived far away, they may not have even verified. I know, I'm stretching it a bit here, but four people disappearing is usually a red flag. Just thinking out loud. . .
 
What you said about a fire interested me. Maybe the killer was in a fire shortly after and investigators assumed they died with him?
 
I was thinking something like that, some sort of tragedy where it would be possible to have no remains, like a fire or boating accident/missing at sea kind of thing, and no one would question it after an official search. I know it's far fetched, but something isn't clicking or registering for the families of these girls, for them not to realize that they're gone and these are them. Based on the DNA profiles, I would assume there is a ton of relatives out there. By now, most of the adults involved will be dead or elderly, but the middle girl has a mother and potentially a different father out there, including separate grandparents. My guess is that if no one is reporting them missing, especially her, it's because they don't realize they were/are missing. That's the only thing I can come up with that makes sense, but, who says it has to? Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, but I really feel that the middle girl is the key.
 
Maybe they know one person is missing but didn't know about the children.
 
Someone has to know about at least one of the children because the middle child has a different mother and possibly a different father, but at this point, anything could be possible. I don't see this as a Jaycee Dugard situation, but again, it can't be ruled out. This is just my opinion. It doesn't count for much. :blushing:
In my head, I see this as a woman with two kids who was also taking care of another child, possibly a paternal cousin to the two girls. Someone else had mentioned older sister, younger half sisters and the middle girl as a cousin to the younger two as a possibility, which could make sense, too. If the middle girl was put in their care due to death or incarceration of her parents or parent, it would make sense that maybe she hasn't been reported missing.
 
With this case, if the middle child gets identified, I'm not certain it will lead to the identification of the others.
 
I hope no one minds if I post a few general questions here. I did look for like a general Q&A section but it's mind boggling and I kept clicking and kept ending up on closed threads.
First, in NamUs, if a UID and a missing person both have submitted DNA, it is just assumed that all DNA submissions are automatically compared to each other? I'm trying to figure out how that works.
Also, if you do want to suggest a name about a UID, who do you contact? The folks with the remains, or the missing person's contact?
Lastly, how do I make the reply box bigger? All I'm getting is this teeny tiny quick reply window and I have to keep scrolling up and down to see what I've written. I thought there would be a preview somewhere.
Thank you for humoring the newb!
 
Thank you for the link
Very fascinating. Getting closer to giving these people names. Great work

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Thanks, I think you mean 11/17/15 press conference.
Why, yes. Yes, I do, thank you :)
I went back again and did find someone already posted a link, so I apologize. I just found it fascinating.
 
I actually question whether there are automatic rule outs. Aren't there two kinds of DNA entered? Mitochondrial and another type? What if an UID has one kind and a missing person has another but they are the same person?
 
I actually question whether there are automatic rule outs. Aren't there two kinds of DNA entered? Mitochondrial and another type? What if an UID has one kind and a missing person has another but they are the same person?

There's mitochondrial and nuclear DNA types. NamUs used to list what DNA type a MP and UID had, but they stopped doing that, so there is no way of knowing.

I also heard that automatic rule-outs should not be trusted for that reason, and also, the DNA for the MP and UID may be in different places.
 
I was just thinking there was some sort of program they would run from time to time that would match the DNA of the UID's to the MP's. In this case, I think they only had mitochondrial DNA, that is why they couldn't establish a paternal relationship a this time.
 
I was just thinking there was some sort of program they would run from time to time that would match the DNA of the UID's to the MP's. In this case, I think they only had mitochondrial DNA, that is why they couldn't establish a paternal relationship a this time.

Yes, the automatic system is called CODIS, it's at the University of North Texas, Mitochondrial DNA is only passed down from the Maternal DNA, nuclear DNA can establish both. It's fairly difficult to get both sets of DNA if the body is skeletal or even mummified. But the systems for obtaining DNA are getting better every week. It also takes a few months to process the missing persons DNA into the system.

This is an awesome website where you can learn more.
 
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