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I'm trusting those of you who know the DA - she just won't let this quietly :banghead:slip under the rug....
That new article claims that an autopsy failed to determine how she died and they hope the tox tests will shed light on her death...
Wonder if this is true, or just interpretation by the reporter...
LE has never really yet come out and said this is a "murder" to my knowledge have they? I know they were/are doing a criminal investigation but have they ever said a murder investigation? Just wondering.
I have wondered the same. When they found the body, they began to refer to it as a suspicious death. Since then, I have seen it referred to in the media as a criminal investigation. I'm not sure whether there has been an official change from suspicious to criminal.
We also still don't know whether they have a POSSIBLE cause of death. The likelihood that they know the COD seems to fade with every passing day. In other words, more toxicology testing would indicate to me that the early tests have not turned up anything.
I am so stumped. Does this mean there will be a tie in from the results of the tox report to and arrest? I don't like that.
The person/persons can crack, run, commit another such act etc in the meantime.
They referred to it as a suspicious death and they are still referring to it as a suspicious death. They have never referred to it as a homicide or a murder. Shortly after they found her body they announced that it was now a criminal investigation. So putting all that together, it's s criminal investigation of a suspicious death. The fact that her body was found wrapped in a blanket would be enough in and of itself to call it a suspicious death. If the death was due to poisoning, drugs, alcohol, etc., the tox tests would be be necessary to determine that.
Correct me if I'm wrong. An autopsy would show if she was strangled, beaten, stabbed, shot, struck on the head, or drowned.
It might not show if she was smothered, poisoned, drugged, or had alcohol poisoning. Stomach content would have to be analyzed.
Any ideas anyone?
Does LE know (and have they said) where Celina went into the water? I know where they found her but wonder whether there isn't actually another 'crime scene' location that LE is looking at.
If I may...The manner of death will be identified as one of the following: natural, suicide, accidental, homicide, undetermined and in some jurisdictions, pending and a family will be permitted to have a service but other activities may occur also (ie. LE investigations, body retention, etc). The cause of death is determined to be the MEDICAL reason why life was terminated (ie. atrial fib, ventricular fib, hypoxia, etc)....
If cause of death has not been determined in fact, they could still likely tell whether or not she was alive when she was put into the water, and of course it would be a "suspicious" death if she was not alive at that time, blanket or no blanket.
But we don't know whether LE knows the cause of death or not.
Now I understand how you can have a suspicious death that does not result in a criminal investigation. This one is both. I don't recall the AG mentioning anything about manner of death. But it's safe to assume that she was murdered. Otherwise, there would be no reason for a criminal investigation.
My understanding is that there is a standard toxicological inquiry. Once that is complete, they can choose to continue testing for other toxins. It seems that continuing to test would indicate that the standard testing was not enough. This also indicates, at least to me, that there is not a lot of good evidence pertaining to cause of death.
Sorry, but I don't but this theory.Um, actually I think she is right. We just have to take into account the fact that for these individuals - because of how they were raised or whatever - keeping quiet brings significant emotional reward in and of itself.
Very well explained, and thank you. Would both COD and MOD have to go on the death certificate in every case?
Correct me if I'm wrong. An autopsy would show if she was strangled, beaten, stabbed, shot, struck on the head, or drowned.
It might not show if she was smothered, poisoned, drugged, or had alcohol poisoning. Stomach content would have to be analyzed.
Any ideas anyone?