Identified! NJ - Knowlton, 'Tiger Lady', WhtFem 17-19, UP1593, tiger tatt on calf, Oct'91 - Wendy Louise Baker

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I just wanted to say I heard about Tigerlady on Facebook about a year ago. I follow my local police on FB and it was being shared by other LEO's pages.


I'm thinking that if it is an Asian tiger, it may be a clue that she is Asian and was born during the year of the tiger.
 
I've shared her on my Facebook page several times over the past year. That's about it for my social presence :p but I'm willing to do what I can to help others out.
 
Re social media: I was thinking about Vine, with some sort of 6 second video featuring Tigerlady's 2 recons (blonde/brunette) and info. It is possible to create a loop of a Vine video. Maybe create a 6 second video of the recons, followed by a 6 second video of her info and loop them together? There is also Mixbit, which competes with Vine. It would have to be an iphone or Android to create the video for Vine or Mixbit.
There is also Tout, which allows someone to make a slightly longer video of 15 seconds. Tout is primarily used by WWE wrestling and sports fans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MixBit#AVOS_Systems
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine_(service)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tout_(company)


Maybe at some point in the future, WS could create a forum to feature short looping videos of UIDs using Vine, but that would probably be Dave the new WS Tech Guy's department.
 
I doubt if it's significant, but in 1991, large visible tattoos were still unusual except in certain subgroups such as bikers, martial artists, and bodybuilders. Even more unusual for a young woman.

SBM - or to cover scars. I'd suggest searching for missing women fitting this description but substituting the tattoo info for a scar on the same calf and see if anything pops up. JMO

ETA - whoops, now that I've read the whole thread I see this has been touched on already.
 
I still think it's worth a try, was hoping to make a flyer to go up today but my little ones speech school has had an outbreak in whooping cough, so it was cancelled and we spent the day playing instead! But I should be able to work on it Friday at the latest.
 
I think this is one of the unsolved cases that bothers me most. Not only because I'm from NJ, but because someone has to know who this girl is. She deserves to be identified.
 
Tigerlady, Arroyo Grande Jane Doe, "Venom" T-shirt guy, and an MP are the ones that keep me awake at night.
 
I still think it's worth a try, was hoping to make a flyer to go up today but my little ones speech school has had an outbreak in whooping cough, so it was cancelled and we spent the day playing instead! But I should be able to work on it Friday at the latest.

There is a flier already made by Carl, post 64
also have everything on NJ BILLY"s Law - TEEN Tiger Lady - white female age 17-19 10/26/1991 Knowlton NJ
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Looking at new additions to NAMUS, this MP from Mississippi was added a couple of days ago. Her name is Tina Walls. Her height and circumstances all fit Tigerlady, BUT she would be way over Tigerlady's estimated age in 1991. Tina has a very strong resemblance to the Tigerlady facial recons. According to her NAMUS page, it is not clear exactly what date Tina disappeared. The last time anyone definitely saw her was on January 26, 1987, when the Harrison County Sheriff's Office had contact with her.

Tina's fingerprints are on file, DNA sample available but not yet submitted, dentals not currently available.

Link: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/28393/16/

Is there enough to let the NJSP know that maybe they should look at Tina as a possible match to Tigerlady?
 
It looks to me like everything but the age lines up. It sounds like the family wouldn't have a clue whether Tina had a tattoo on her leg. (I know it doesn't count for much, but I've always thought Tiger Lady had to be older than their estimate. Not sure why I felt that.)

The resemblance is pretty strong.

So I would say yes, send it in.
 

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I keep looking at Robin Kerry, missing from Missouri in April of 1991 as closely resembling dark-hair TL recon. Robin's NAMUS says the tips of her hair were dyed black. https://www.findthemissing.org/en/c... in St.louis, they just never found her body.
 
Bumping for Tiger Lady Teen.

There is still no NAMUS picture for Sally Jo Simmons, as apearn mentioned her in post # 36 of this thread.


I was looking at Martha Wes Dunn, age 15, from TX. Martha went missing in September 1990. There's not a whole lot of info on her, other than "she may have travelled to Oklahoma" and NAMPN lists her as "endangered missing".

Link: http://nampn.org/cases/dunn_martha.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6028/0/ Martha has DNA and dentals listed in NAMUS.
 
Bumping for Tiger Lady Teen.

There is still no NAMUS picture for Sally Jo Simmons, as apearn mentioned her in post # 36 of this thread.


I was looking at Martha Wes Dunn, age 15, from TX. Martha went missing in September 1990. There's not a whole lot of info on her, other than "she may have travelled to Oklahoma" and NAMPN lists her as "endangered missing".

Link: http://nampn.org/cases/dunn_martha.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6028/0/ Martha has DNA and dentals listed in NAMUS.

I've tried getting info on Sally but have not had luck. 1st email was to California Missing Person's October 10, 2014 (quote below) I then contacted the investigating agency 10/20/14 & was told there is no photo available at this time/ researching past records. I tried to reply asking about her school but got no answer until I contacted the latest NamUs contact, she replied she hasn't worked for that agency for a few years & didn't know why she was listed on NamUs as local contact. Will try to reach out again in the next few days if I have time.

Currently, Sally Simmons has an active missing person record listed in the Department of Justice Missing Persons database. The website only features those missing persons for whom photographs have been made available to the Department of Justice.

The California Department of Justice Missing and Unidentified Persons Unit is not the investigating agency regarding Sally’s missing persons case. The San Francisco Police Department (SFPD) is the investigating agency on this case and you may wish to contact them for further information.

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OOOOh - This girl looks kind of good on paper. I can't find a photo and I'm in a rush this morning so if anyone knows anything about Sally (or is on Classmates and can get a pic) feel free to jump in! :) I don't see Sally on WS, DN or much of anywhere else for that matter.

Sally Simmons
No_photo
San Francisco County, California
15 year old white female
Height (inches)
61.0
Weight (pounds)
105.0

No DNA, dentals, or fingerprints in Namus

Hair color, eye color, height, date of birth, and weight are all good. Sally was last seen on September 4, 1989. JD was found October 26, 1991.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8964/2/
 
Okay, so I spent the last couple days really researching this and creating my own file on Tiger Lady from the sources I found.

Prepare to read your eyes out.

My theories range from the Grateful Dead concert to sex slavery to just having a mental illness.

THEORIES:

1. Tiger Lady went to the Grateful Dead concert in Madison Square Garden, took a ride with someone to (or through) New Jersey, and was killed by the driver
She could have taken a train to the concert, or a bus, or a taxi. Then she could have become enamored with someone from the concert and was offered a ride back to New Jersey (or Pennsylvania even – people travel far for concerts, and Warren County borders Pennsylvania). An altercation could have occurred, or the driver developed a malicious intent. The lack of any signs of sexual assault could point to a different motive (argument, psychotic reasoning, robbery, etc.)

Drawbacks: Okay, maybe the tiger on her calf and on Jerry Garcia's guitar is a stretch – they don't look THAT similar. There's also the major lack of signs of injury. This is also assuming she didn't have her own car, of course. The assumption is iffy. On one hand, she could have been 17 or 18 – just barely old enough to even get her own car. If she had used a family car, we would have heard something from that. On the other hand, she could have very well have owned her own car had she been 20 or even 21. Gas was cheaper back then and people liked road trips, although going on a road trip alone is generally unfavorable. Plus, she couldn't have arrived with a friend, since that friend would return empty-handed and we would have heard a peep out of them or their surrounding friends. It could also be possible that she hitched a ride to the concert with a stranger and returned with that same stranger, who developed a malicious intent.

2. Tiger Lady went to The Grateful Dead concert, returned with a stranger, but died from some medical condition on the way back, and the stranger left her body at the rest stop.
Heart condition maybe? A sudden allergic reaction? There can be many possibilities here.

Drawbacks: Again, maybe she didn't go to the concert at all, and the tiger resemblance might just be a coincidence. Also, it could be more likely that forensics, especially now with modern technology, would have found evidence of a medical condition.

3. Tiger Lady was the victim of the same murderer of Princess Doe in 1982 and an unidentified man in 1976 (both in Warren County).

Drawbacks: The time frame is too long time for these murders to be connected. If anything, Princess Doe of 1982 may be linked, being that it was a young girl, but the time frame there is 9 years. On the other hand, the fact that these three deaths occurred in the same area and the bodies were unrecognizable can support the idea that the murderer knew how to handle the bodies in order to not be caught. But also, the death of Princess Doe is much different than Tiger Lady; Princess Doe, for one, was still clothed. I cannot find any info on the unidentified man in 1976 other than it was mentioned in some of the links about Tiger Lady.

4. The hunters who found Tiger Lady were the ones who murdered her (or someone in the group did)

Drawbacks: That's kind of stupid . . . and yet not at the same time. But there are no bullet wounds or any other signs of trauma.

5. Tiger Lady was a sex slave in a human trafficking ring and was murdered and dumped at the rest stop.
This could explain why none of the interviews at gentlemen's clubs brought up anything – she was part of a deep trafficking ring.

Drawbacks: If she had been trafficked, she would most likely have had obvious injuries if somebody wanted to get rid of her. Also, human traffickers wouldn't leave the corpse of one of their workers lying there in a rest stop. That would be really foolish, too foolish for a trafficking ring or group. Sex slaves would more likely be buried; made sure to never be seen again. Also, if killed by a stranger and not one of her employers, she would be hard-pressed to leave her place of work to hitch a ride with a man.

6. Tiger Lady was being transported as a sex slave in a truck, escaped the truck at the rest stop, but was too emaciated to run away.
Hrm. That could work. She could have been a sex slave for some indefinite amount of time beforehand. While transporting her, the driver had to stop at the rest area. It would most likely very late at night. Tiger Lady slipped out of the truck and hid in the woods. However, she was probably already very emaciated, already close to death. She passed out and died on the spot, succumbing to the elements. Remember the witnesses saw a jade green truck that was either a Marmon or Wester Star parked right in front of where the body was found. These are both very big transport trucks – perfect for transporting sex slaves. The driver maybe returned to the spot to try and figure out where she could have gone, but then saw her dead body and quickly left.

Drawbacks: Usually sex slaves are drugged up, and the autopsies did not reveal any evidence of drugs or alcohol. On the contrary, not all human trafficking is sexual, however they could be less likely. Also, would she really be the only sex slave in the truck?

7. Tiger Lady was not murdered. She could have come from a low income family who did not care much for her, got lost naked because she suffered some mental illness, and succumbed to the elements.
Okay, so the official autopsy declared it a homicide. But let's say they are wrong, because after all – there were no signs of injury. They never really said why they ruled it a homicide, but my guess is that Tiger Lady being naked made them conclude that someone stole her clothes to hide evidence or that the murder was sexual in nature. But something that struck me was the crooked teeth. People raised in poor conditions tend to have crooked, bad teeth. She could have come from a very low income, broken family, or could have even been kicked out of her home. An explanation to her nakedness could also be that she had some sort of mental illness. She ran off or wandered off and eventually succumbed to the elements. Warren County can be a very isolated (and strange) area – my girlfriend and I once wandered into Blairstown from Walpack, which is in the neighboring Sussex County. This is also 1991 we're talking about here – NJ was not as densely populated as it is currently in 2015.

Drawbacks: Wouldn't the mental illness be somehow detected by forensics in her brain? Not necessarily mental retardation, but some other clue in the structure compared to people with other mental illnesses? Also, we would have to assume that the family from whence she came from is so cruel that they pretty much did not care about her at all and have kept quiet all these years. Wouldn't someone who knew them have brought something up?

OBSERVATIONS:
Madison Square Garden, NY to Knowlton, NJ takes about 1 hour and 17 minutes, according to Google Maps, which is approximately 65.6 miles. To drive from Madison Square Garden to Knowlton, one would take I-280 West and then I-80 West, where ultimately Tiger Lady was found. Another way is to take I-80 West directly, which Google Maps says is merely a minute less than taking I-280 first. A third way is to take I-95 South to I-78 West, and then reach I-80 West; this supposedly takes 1 hour and 25 minutes.

Given the above directions from Google Maps, it's plausible for Tiger Lady to have been a Grateful Dead fan, attended the Grateful Dead concert in Madison Square Garden, and ended up on I-80 in Knowlton, NJ. These routes are reasonable main highways that one would use to enter New Jersey from New York City. Madison Square Garden is very close to the Lincoln Tunnel, which is what all three routes go through in order to quickly reach I-80 West.

None of the sources though specify which direction of I-80 Tiger Lady was found on. If west, the Grateful Dead concert theory could hold more water, since it is heading from New York City. If east, it is unlikely that Tiger Lady would have been murdered before attending the concert, and therefore the Grateful Dead concert theory could crumble.



If I've gotten any of the facts wrong or left out anything, please correct me.
 
I have to get some work done, but, I wanted to throw this out there while I'm thinking of it.

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Carol Marlene Sullens
Date last seen August 31, 1991

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/291dfks.html
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/386/0/

I did a search of this thread and didn't come up with Carol's name so hopefully I'm not repeating something. I really like the nose and chin comparisons so I kept coming back to her.

Age, height, and weight are all real tight numbers.

Carol

18 years old
5'3"
100lbs

TL

17-19
5'1" (estimated)
105lbs (estimated)

I know the eye color is wrong BUT eye color changes to browns/black with decomposition and TL's NamUs says "Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction" - so I am ignoring that discrepency.

Both have DNA in NamUs. My understanding is that if it is the same type of DNA it is an automatic rule out, but, if it is not then it has to be compared. If I'm wrong - someone please correct me.

There is some info on what may have happened to Carol on her DN page, but, maybe she went off to be a feature dancer or to just work in bigger cities. That is not unheard of in that profession.
 

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^It says on the Doe Network though that she has an appendix surgery scar. I'm pretty sure that would have been noticed in Tiger Lady's autopsy. Unless that portion of her was decomposed too.
 
It says on the Doe Network though that she has an appendix surgery scar. I'm pretty sure that would have been noticed in Tiger Lady's autopsy. Unless that portion of her was decomposed too.

Yes, I saw that. I don't know how long that type of scar is obvious after death. It's a small organ too so I figured it may not be obvious it is missing at the point when she was found.

It's probably not her, but I threw it out there becuase it physically lined up well.
 
^It says on the Doe Network though that she has an appendix surgery scar. I'm pretty sure that would have been noticed in Tiger Lady's autopsy. Unless that portion of her was decomposed too.

Descriptions in the case files don't necessarily include all the details. Sometimes LE withholds some information for identification or investigation, sometimes it's a mistake, and sometimes the medical examiner's report is so detailed or full of medical jargon that everything isn't included. If there conflicting scars it'd probably be a ruleout, but when it's just not mentioned, it could still be a match.
 
This girl popped up on NamUs recently.

Her age is right on and her height is right on. TL is thinner but there is a couple year gap in the missing/found dates.

She is listed as missing from NJ as of March 1987. This is interesting because I've looked all over NJ MP lists and I don't recall ever seeing a record of this one.

Anyway, currently no dental, DNA, photo, or fingerprints.

Circumstances elude to a runaway.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/30051/4
 
There's not a lot to go on, but it does look plausible.
 

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