NJ - Sean Goldman: Abducted and living in Brazil UPDATE: Coming Home

[fran]

I pray all goes well and that his wife's family doesn't somehow throw another wrench in the works before he can get outta' there!

fran

 

[bogeygal]

Here's a link to article:

Brazilian Court Orders Boy To Be Returned To New Jersey

http://www.news12.com/index.jsp?regionId=2

 

[Bree0372]

I agree, Linda. This boy doesn't perceive his stepfather as an abductor , but as a parent. It's heartbreaking that these two grown men have not been able to work this out in a different manner.

No disrespect, SCM, but seriously?!? We honestly don't know what Sean perceives his stepfather as. Sean told David what happened in between their last 2 visits; he knew that he was being deprived of sleep so that he wouldn't be able to stay all day with his Dad. He knew that he was told not to say "I love you, Dad" to David. He knew that he was told not to call his Dad, "Dad". He knew that he was told that his Dad doesn't love him and abandoned him. He knew that he wasn't allowed to speak English. He knew that...well, I could go on and on...

FWIW, this "step-father" was only a stepfather for 10 months. This same stepfather does not live with Sean, he has his own life - his own apt, his own girlfriend. Much against what he promised Sean. This same stepfather has told a multitude of lies to Sean, of which have been documented in court records. There have been 4 Federal Appeals Judges that have said SEAN NEEDS TO BE IN NEW JERSEY with his Dad.

Joao Paulo Lins e Silva is a crook, IMA. He lied to the courts and got a mere slap on the hand. When Bruna died, he high-tailed it to the courts stating that Sean is an orphan, that his Dad abandoned him (also telling this to Sean). He had the audacity to ask the courts to remove David's name and that of his parents and include his own name and that of his parents as Sean's adopted grandparents.

This man is sick! The grandmother has enough problems of her own. She has a granddaughter, Chiara, there that she can pull her stunts with.

 

[Bree0372]

I pray all goes well and that his wife's family doesn't somehow throw another wrench in the works before he can get outta' there!

fran

The grandmother (who has no position in this case) has already filed a Habeas Corpus with the Brazilian Supreme Court in an effort to stop this return. Supreme Court Judge Marco Aurelio will decide within the next 48 hours; he's the same judge that issued the last stay only to vote against the appeal during the Supreme Court's session.

I hope he does what is right, what is legal and that is send Sean home. If he follows Brazilian law and/or the Hague, Sean will come home with David on Friday.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks Bogeygal! I know I haven't posted anything on this forum about this case in several months, but I closely follow this case on the BSH forum. There is an expected ruling tomorrow and I PRAY TO THE LORD ABOVE that some common sense come into this ruling and that there are no stays in effect before Sean Goldman is out of Brazil. Dear Lord, please let them rule from their hearts and not with corruption (as was done in the Brazilian State Courts 5 years ago).

At BSH, we have a BRING SEAN HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS campaign going on as well as other things...contacting our representatives and asking them to support H.R. 3240 which would put sanctions against these countries that we give funding to that are harboring our 3,000 abucted children.

As well, on December 2, 2009, there was a hearing with the Thomas Lantos Committee in DC and 4 LBPs, including David Goldman, were invited to give testimony. A video of David's testimony can be viewed on the front page of BSH: http://www.bringseanhome.org/



Dual custody with an abductor? Visitations with his Dad that the abductors have supervised and record and then mentally torture this child?? There is no court order that states David can't remove Sean from the premises of his grandmothers condo, but she won't allow it. Also, the federal courts in Brazil have sided with David Goldman and have admitted in their findings that the child, Sean Goldman, is being mentally abused (as reflected in 3 reports by psychologists - one of which was bought by the LeS and Ribiero clan, they tried to get the judge to throw it out after it didn't show what they wanted).

After David's last visit in June, he decided that his visiting was not worth the torture that they later put his son through. They kept Sean up - depriving him of sleep, told him that he could not tell his father that he loved him, that he wasn't allowed to call him Dad...only David, and much more. Is this the type of people that you would have continue visiting with your child? And fwiw, the step-father, the socio-pathetic abductor (as we like to refer to him) does not live in the home with Sean and he has a new girl friend - less than a year after his wife's death. This coming after he told Sean that David abandoned him and didn't love him and that he didn't want a girlfriend ever -- he only wanted to be a "father" to Sean. GMAB!!! He is in this fight to keep peace with his MIL. BTW, she is no party to this case...she has filed papers and they have been denied.

Brazilian Law, along with the Hague Convention, states that Sean should be in New Jersey with his father. Why these mothers feel that the child needs them more than they need their fathers, I will never understand.

BBM

I agree, he should have been with his dad all along. Nothing can change that. The boy's mother was selfish, no doubt about that.

At this point in time, it's not about what should have been, it's about what is and what's in the child's best interest, at this point in time.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh NONONONO parties to abduction should not be granted dual custody and visitation.

Like it or not, that child loves the man whose been his psychological father for that last 5-6 years. It would be in the boys best interest to see him from time to time. That child will have had his "family" ripped apart too many times.

If you want that boy to ever have a good loving relationship with his biological father, his father should do whatever he can so the boy can have some sort of contact.

 

[southcitymom]

No disrespect, SCM, but seriously?!? We honestly don't know what Sean perceives his stepfather as. Sean told David what happened in between their last 2 visits; he knew that he was being deprived of sleep so that he wouldn't be able to stay all day with his Dad. He knew that he was told not to say "I love you, Dad" to David. He knew that he was told not to call his Dad, "Dad". He knew that he was told that his Dad doesn't love him and abandoned him. He knew that he wasn't allowed to speak English. He knew that...well, I could go on and on...

FWIW, this "step-father" was only a stepfather for 10 months. This same stepfather does not live with Sean, he has his own life - his own apt, his own girlfriend. Much against what he promised Sean. This same stepfather has told a multitude of lies to Sean, of which have been documented in court records. There have been 4 Federal Appeals Judges that have said SEAN NEEDS TO BE IN NEW JERSEY with his Dad.

Joao Paulo Lins e Silva is a crook, IMA. He lied to the courts and got a mere slap on the hand. When Bruna died, he high-tailed it to the courts stating that Sean is an orphan, that his Dad abandoned him (also telling this to Sean). He had the audacity to ask the courts to remove David's name and that of his parents and include his own name and that of his parents as Sean's adopted grandparents.

This man is sick! The grandmother has enough problems of her own. She has a granddaughter, Chiara, there that she can pull her stunts with.

I agree that we only have glimpse of how Sean feels about his stepfather and we will each interpret those glimpses through the lens of how we see this case.

I'm not talking about whether or not we the public think his stepfather is a decent man. I'm talking about my belief that Sean perceives him as a parent and loves him and has spent much of his early childhood with him.

Regardless, this move will be hard on this boy. I wish him the best as he heals from yet another loss.

 

[Salem]

Like it or not, that child loves the man whose been his psychological father for that last 5-6 years. It would be in the boys best interest to see him from time to time. That child will have had his "family" ripped apart too many times.

If you want that boy to ever have a good loving relationship with his biological father, his father should do whatever he can so the boy can have some sort of contact.

I agree Linda. I think that can be done by webcam, phone and visits on US soil. I would never allow Sean to go back to Brazil before he turned 18, but I wouldn't keep him from the family he knows, either.

Salem

I too am praying that Sean gets to come home.

 

[southcitymom]

I agree Linda. I think that can be done by webcam, phone and visits on US soil. I would never allow Sean to go back to Brazil before he turned 18, but I wouldn't keep him from the family he knows, either.

Salem

I too am praying that Sean gets to come home.

Those are good thoughts - I can certainly understand why Sean's father may not want him returning to Brazil.

 

[gitana1]

Just received word from Brazil that TRF-2 ruled 3-0 that Sean must be turned over on Friday to return to USA. :woohoo:

The grandmother, who is not a party to this case, has filed a second Habeas Corpus this morning. The first was filed in July and denied by the Chief Justice of Brazil's Supreme Court. This child has suffered enough mental abuse at the hands of his Brazilian "family"...please Lord, bring this child home to his Dad. raying:

I'll post more details as I hear something. nline:

I have been following this case for years but am foggy on the legal manueverings. Do you know how quickly we can expect a hard and fast decision on the meritless writ? And, if you know, if that ruling goes in David's favor, is there anything else the family over there can try to do to keep Sean from his Daddy?

I agree, Linda. This boy doesn't perceive his stepfather as an abductor , but as a parent. It's heartbreaking that these two grown men have not been able to work this out in a different manner.

Well, as you know from being on this thread ( I re-read the posts to get up to date) you must know that David Goldman HAS tried to work this out in every way possible and that Lins E Silva has not. Instead, he is an evil man who met and married an evil, criminal woman and who is perpetuating her crime, post-mortem.

The grandmother (who has no position in this case) has already filed a Habeas Corpus with the Brazilian Supreme Court in an effort to stop this return. Supreme Court Judge Marco Aurelio will decide within the next 48 hours; he's the same judge that issued the last stay only to vote against the appeal during the Supreme Court's session.

I hope he does what is right, what is legal and that is send Sean home. If he follows Brazilian law and/or the Hague, Sean will come home with David on Friday.

Thanks Bree! To clarify, the judge ruling on this last bit of nonsense, did he vote against the last appeal by the abductors?

BBM

I agree, he should have been with his dad all along. Nothing can change that. The boy's mother was selfish, no doubt about that.

At this point in time, it's not about what should have been, it's about what is and what's in the child's best interest, at this point in time.

And what's in his best interest is to be with the flesh and blood daddy who has fought with every breath in his body, for the little son he never stopped loving. It is not to remain with a man who has abused him mentally and emotionally, who will stop at nothing to keep David out of Sean's life, and who has only been in Sean's life for months compared with the years Sean was with his Daddy.
As you can see, I have passionate feelings about this case. It is frustrating to me that people fail to realize how abusive parental alienation is and that this is not a custody case, but a criminal case.
If this was a case of a child raised by birth by adoptive parents and then forced to leave them to live with birth parents who are complete strangers, my feelings would be 180 degrees different. But, this is a totally different scenario. Sean lived the first, crucial bonding years with his father. He doesn't even live with the a$$ who is trying to prevent him from being reunited with David. I'm not sure why many people seem confused about the difference.

 

[Liz]

Praying David gets his son back tomorrow .... what a wonderful Christmas Gift that would be - to have his prayers (and so many of ours) answered! raying:

 

[Liz]

Article from Brazzil Magazine:

Brazil Court Rules Sean Goldman Should Be Returned to US Father in 48 Hours
http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/11572/1/

 

[Trino]

From what I've read of this case the boy's Brazilian relatives have attempted to poison the boy's mind vs. the father. IMO the boy is going to have readjustment problems. Prayers for Sean and his father.

This case is reminiscent of the Elian Golzales case a few years ago. While most Cuban Americans and many other Americans wanted Elian to stay in the US, despite politics, IMO it was the right thing to do to return Elian to his father. Countries that sign agreements to return kidnapped children need to adhere to those agrements, which it seems Brazil is doing. A major problem with courts and appeals is they can take formative years in a child's life. This case has been going on for over five years!!!

 

[Liz]

I respectfully disagree that Brazil is cooperating in returning kidnapped children, as they are supposed to do according to the treaty they signed.

This is well worth the read, for anyone who wants to be filled in on this case, straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

The text below are the introductory remarks and testimony of Sean's father, David Goldman, before the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission at the U.S. House of Representatives on December 2, 2009.

My Child and Another 65 US Children Kidnapped to Brazil Must Come Back Home
Written by David Goldman
Saturday, 05 December 2009 05:18

Good morning. Before I go directly into my testimony I wanted to share with you an image that has been replaying itself in my mind over and over. Congressmen (and women) who sit before this commission today, prior to becoming an elected official there must have been something that drove you to commit to your position.

You imagined that you could make a difference, you must have imagined that you could make a change for the better. Maybe through a personal experience or just your exposure to politics, somewhere something happened that compelled you to run for office with an image that you could and would in fact bring change.

Now imagine 66 American children, which is about the number of the average size of four fourth grade classes anywhere across America. One of these children could eventually be yours, a family member's or a friend's child. Imagine these children went on a field trip to Brazil for a week.

---> much more (very interesting) reading at link

http://www.brazzil.com/component/co...kidnapped-to-brazil-must-come-back-home-.html


PRESIDENT LULA: It's high time to let ALL our kidnapped children come home, where they belong! (Like he'll read this)

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have been following this case for years but am foggy on the legal manueverings. Do you know how quickly we can expect a hard and fast decision on the meritless writ? And, if you know, if that ruling goes in David's favor, is there anything else the family over there can try to do to keep Sean from his Daddy?



Well, as you know from being on this thread ( I re-read the posts to get up to date) you must know that David Goldman HAS tried to work this out in every way possible and that Lins E Silva has not. Instead, he is an evil man who met and married an evil, criminal woman and who is perpetuating her crime, post-mortem.



Thanks Bree! To clarify, the judge ruling on this last bit of nonsense, did he vote against the last appeal by the abductors?



And what's in his best interest is to be with the flesh and blood daddy who has fought with every breath in his body, for the little son he never stopped loving. It is not to remain with a man who has abused him mentally and emotionally, who will stop at nothing to keep David out of Sean's life, and who has only been in Sean's life for months compared with the years Sean was with his Daddy.
As you can see, I have passionate feelings about this case. It is frustrating to me that people fail to realize how abusive parental alienation is and that this is not a custody case, but a criminal case.
If this was a case of a child raised by birth by adoptive parents and then forced to leave them to live with birth parents who are complete strangers, my feelings would be 180 degrees different. But, this is a totally different scenario. Sean lived the first, crucial bonding years with his father. He doesn't even live with the a$$ who is trying to prevent him from being reunited with David. I'm not sure why many people seem confused about the difference.

I don't believe I am confused, I simply have a different opinion than you.

 

[southcitymom]

I don't believe I am confused, I simply have a different opinion than you.

Same here.

 

[fran]

Sorry, not good news.


fran



http://wcbstv.com/

NJ Dad Won't Be Reunited With Son In Brazil Friday

Country's Supreme Court Will Hear Case, Which Will Delay Outcome Of Case

David Goldman, who flew to Brazil Thursday in hopes of being reunited with his young son following an emotional five-year international custody battle, will not be reunited with the boy on Friday, CBS 2 has learned.

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[4Kat]

Sorry, not good news.


fran



http://wcbstv.com/

NJ Dad Won't Be Reunited With Son In Brazil Friday

Country's Supreme Court Will Hear Case, Which Will Delay Outcome Of Case

David Goldman, who flew to Brazil Thursday in hopes of being reunited with his young son following an emotional five-year international custody battle, will not be reunited with the boy on Friday, CBS 2 has learned.

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This make me sooo mad! To top it off, the court goes into recess tomorrow and testimony from his son may not be heard until February. It makes me wonder what is really going on here?

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9000/9801287/Brazils_top_court_rules_boy_stays_for_now

 

[Liz]

What's even worse, Fran, is that the Brazilian courts begin Christmas vacation tomorrow and won't reconvene until February.

As Judge Napolitano on Fox said, this kidnapping, plain and simple. Who here at Websleuths advocates kidnapping??

I'm really upset for David Goldman. How many trips he's taken. How many times his hopes have been raised, only to be let down yet again. It's very sad.

 

[southcitymom]

I think we had to assume that the Supreme Court would hear this case - it has been such a newsmaker. I would hope that David Goldman was prepared for this almost-certainty by his attorneys - just to temper his expectation of having his son for the holidays.

I would take this time to hope that the two "fathers" might use the delay to come up with their own better solution, but I have real doubts that is possible at this stage in the game.