possumheart
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Being the nosey parker I am, I went looking for it and can't find anything! Whys the name of this supporter page? I'd love to have a lurk![]()
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Being the nosey parker I am, I went looking for it and can't find anything! Whys the name of this supporter page? I'd love to have a lurk![]()
I want to start by saying that I have not discussed this with her and the following is only based on my opinion of who she is as a person.
I think that Toni could easily put herself in Allison's shoes and her empathy for Allison will ensure that her guard is down and be completely candid and honest. I believe she will be considerate of the feelings of Allison's family.
I truly believe that every step forward from here will be in effort to set an example for her children. She will do what ever is necessary to help convict ABC's killer.
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Have been there. Trust me it is not like this in real life.
Proportions seem so different when you are on the ground.
Hey all - Allisons birthday is only a few days away - any suggestions on what we could do to make it a remember Allison kind of respect thing?
Put a sunflower in our signature for 24 hours or make our signature yellow? Just something to remember her day at this time where things are truly just starting to emerge about how difficult it was for her and to remember her legacy of the 3 girls? Gosh hope this is allowed?
Being the nosey parker I am, I went looking for it and can't find anything! Whys the name of this supporter page? I'd love to have a lurk![]()
I'm sorry that you feel unwelcome here
but the bottom line is that this IS a victim forum and the victim here is Allison, there is no getting around that fact and TM (whether she likes it or not) has become vicariously involved in playing a part in Allison becoming that tragic victim IMO
I believe there were many things that led to what ultimately happened Allison and TM is a part of that sorry to say
Totally agree Allison is the victim and TM is a victim of her own low morals. I don't however agree that TM played a part in the death of Allison, on the basis that she was pressuring GBC to make a decision and leave Allison. If however she knew he was going to murder Allison that is a different discussion. It could equally be argued the bank manager, credit card companies are more responsible for Allison's death because they were no doubt applying pressure on GBC to keep up with payments.
For instance, take a scenario where I phone up a client who owes me money and apply pressure saying pay up by the 1st July or I'll start court proceeding. If this client then commits an armed robbery this is not my responsibility, it is solely the responsibility of my client.
At the end of the day GBC allegedly made a decision to kill Allison but the responsibility for this decision is all his, regardless of the backdrop of events that lead to his moral fibre being tested.
I lot has been made of the July 1st date but I feel this is a non event. We all know we make commitment to dates on occasions simply to kick the ball further forward into the future, to give some breathing room, with no real intention of meeting the date; happens all the time in business. In the course of an affair I'm sure this ball is kicked further forward on many, many occasions. TM could not expect that GBC would take such radical action to meet a date. Look at the types of people who put money up for bail; these are intelligent people who made there own personal assessment of GBC character and were prepared to put money on it.
So who does she think the killer could be? If it was my friend I would ask...
Does anyone know the reason for the police having a similar car drive around the roundabout ? Unsure if this was accurate or a rumour?
If so, could it have been possible it was to confirm the location of blood stains if there was a body on the back seat and movement going around the roundabout..
Makara...I don't think the criticism of Courier Mail is warranted regarding the differing times re the walk. I clearly remember you being here the night, weeks back, when I posted all that info about this & I said it wouldn't surprise me if GBC had given out different times to different people.
I think Courier Mail did speak to some of those who were told the different times by GBC & he is the one who is responsible for this & not Courier Mail.
""That morning police claim he would give four different stories to friends and family about a walk Allison could have taken when she disappeared.
To some, officers say, he said Allison liked to take a walk early in the morning. To his sister, Olivia Walton, he allegedly described a particular route. He told a close friend of Allison's that she would walk at 10pm each night and he described to his parents two different walking routes.
But when police asked, they said he told them he had no idea where she would have gone walking""
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mo...d-in-court-claim/story-e6frf7l6-1226406037780
I said it wouldn't surprise me if GBC had given out different times to different people.
And a body that doesn't ache all over....wheres a nurse when you need one.....
That's a good point. I guess we won't know any more until the trial and who knows when that will be. All we can do in the meantime is speculate and try to figure out what we can from the little information we do have.
What I am wondering is, if it takes 2 years before it goes to trial, wouldn't some people's memories of events be considerably less acute and much more hazy after such a span of time than if it went to trial pretty soon when recall is more clear and candid?
Wondering what sort of impact the passage of time would have on a trial.
Elspeth, yes the Defence could quite easliy say what you mentioned above, but IMO that reason would have to have come from GBC and not something the Defence dreamed up, but GBC never mentioned anything at all to police about his call to NBC. I can imagine though that GBC could readily tell his Defence team that was the reason he phoned NBC at 12:20am on the Friday morning.
Marlywings, I'm trying to keep my criticism of the Courier Mail in check, believe me, and at this stage I've not been harsh. Yes I recall you posting the info from the CM in regard to various versions re: Allison's so called walk but as you say
This is your opinion and I respect that but you don't know for certain whether or not GBC told anyone of these people anything at all. My initial point was that the CM had got it wrong on what GBC initially told the police and that was that he last saw Allison watching TV and he went to bed at 10:00pm. He did not tell the police that she went for a walk at 10:00pm. His story has never changed but for some reason the CM, along with other MSM have confused the information given to them in regard to Allison going for a walk and at what time. This could possibly be attributed to police media wanting to keep all information close to home.
Now, I can recall a sweet lady a few weeks ago who was like a dog with a bone. She would not have it that GBC phoned 000 until she heard it from the police. No matter what was written in MSM etc. this lady would not let it rest (drove me up the bloody wall to be quite honest :floorlaugh. Were you not negating anything and everything that the CM reported in regard to that phone call? It's now been confirmed via the information submitted to the bail hearing that GBC did in fact dial 000 to report Allison missing and also that his story was that he'd last seen Allison watching TV and went to bed at 10:00pm on the Thursday night.
Phew! Time for sleep now.
I haven't seen anything in the press other than
BBM.
I am currently thinking of two possibilities:
1. Strangulation by ligature as a cause of death plus minor bleeding cuts, punctures or other wounds as a source of blood in the car.
2. A major blow to the head (?venous air embolism ) as a cause of death and a source of blood in the car. "No visible signs of foul play" - could be because the fatal wound was under hair.
In my opinion, the reason #1 is more likely (and more common) than the reason #2.
JMO.
Marlywings, I'm trying to keep my criticism of the Courier Mail in check, believe me, and at this stage I've not been harsh. Yes I recall you posting the info from the CM in regard to various versions re: Allison's so called walk but as you say
This is your opinion and I respect that but you don't know for certain whether or not GBC told anyone of these people anything at all. My initial point was that the CM had got it wrong on what GBC initially told the police and that was that he last saw Allison watching TV and he went to bed at 10:00pm. He did not tell the police that she went for a walk at 10:00pm. His story has never changed but for some reason the CM, along with other MSM have confused the information given to them in regard to Allison going for a walk and at what time. This could possibly be attributed to police media wanting to keep all information close to home.
Now, I can recall a sweet lady a few weeks ago who was like a dog with a bone. She would not have it that GBC phoned 000 until she heard it from the police. No matter what was written in MSM etc. this lady would not let it rest (drove me up the bloody wall to be quite honest :floorlaugh. Were you not negating anything and everything that the CM reported in regard to that phone call? It's now been confirmed via the information submitted to the bail hearing that GBC did in fact dial 000 to report Allison missing and also that his story was that he'd last seen Allison watching TV and went to bed at 10:00pm on the Thursday night.
Phew! Time for sleep now.
I was discussing this with a friend recently regarding the media and how they know exactly how to word things staying within the law but making it seem as though something happened that didn't and knowing full well that saying it a particular way will make it appear suspicious when in fact it's not.
BJ, I've had a few frustrating incidents with the CM's online reporting. Just recently they posted a rather indepth article online, part of which stated that neighbours reported a loud argument at Allison's home on Wednesday night, 18th April and again on Thursday night 19th April. This information had only ever been conjecture and rumour here on WS so I was amazed that it was finally printed in MSM. Less than an hour later I went pack to that particular page to copy the link to post here only to find the majority of the article had either been ripped or altered drastically! :banghead: Needless to say I couldn't verify what I'd read with my own eyes. So frustrating!