No Death Bed Confession...

[luvbeaches]

No, no deathbed confession, but we did get a little morsel from Aunty Pam.

"Patsy got her victory." Why didn't she just come out and say SBTC to complete the sentence? She might as well have said, "Patsy wrote the note."

Maybe no deathbed confession, but they sure could produce a "letter" at any time that Patsy left behind.


And give Aunty Pam enough time, she probably will.

Burke holds the keys to the kingdom. One of these days he's going to tell someone something.

 

[aussiesheila]

I talked to a homicide detective shortly after we both watched the CRT TV segment. He said one of the things they got "right", was that the force behind the blow to the head indicated it could not have been delivered by Patsy or a child. That idea should be put to rest.

Could you elaborate please sissi, and start a new thread with this information, thanks

 

[aussiesheila]

I'm afraid that's wrong, sissi. People are incredibly powerful in moments of rage. Not only that, but have you read my post on leverage?

could you re-post it please SuperDave, thanks

 

[BBB167893]

could you re-post it please SuperDave, thanks

Let me find it and I will!

Okay, here goes:

I'm about six-feet-tall. Let's say I try to hit someone of equal size with a baseball bat. Being right handed, I'd swing from behind my right shoulder to the left, shifting my weight from my back foot to my forward foot. That imbalance will tend to affect my power.

But if the person is a good deal shorter than I am, as a child would be to an adult, I can swing down directly from a central line with a secure standing base with both arms putting maximum power behind it, like an ax. Plus, my back is in the blow.

That's what I meant.

 

[Blondieskatz]

Does anyone think that maybe Patsy told her mother or her sisters? Surely, the guilt was eating at her day after day.

Also, another question after Burke started college did he go home often or did he try to distance himself from the family as far as possible? (If anyone knows)

 

[narlacat]

Blondie
Patsy justified it to herself, I doubt she had any guilt as hard as that is to believe.
Not going to jail was enough incentive not to feel guilt.

I don't think Burke did try to distance himself no, Patsy took him to college earlier this year herself, even with big lumps all over her neck.
I think he is/was close to his parents.

 

[luvbeaches]

Patsy justified it to herself, I doubt she had any guilt as hard as that is to believe. Not going to jail was enough incentive not to feel guilt.

From what I've read, Patsy seemed a bit of a narcissist. If she did kill JonBenet, a narcissist can somehow twist things around to justify what they did. My MIL is a narcissist. Had I known this years ago, I would have understood a lot more about how she operated. They don't function like the rest of us normal folks. Not at all.

 

[BBB167893]

From what I've read, Patsy seemed a bit of a narcissist. If she did kill JonBenet, a narcissist can somehow twist things around to justify what they did. My MIL is a narcissist. Had I known this years ago, I would have understood a lot more about how she operated. They don't function like the rest of us normal folks. Not at all.

A BIT?! A lot, from my vantage point. "Because when you could have saved her, when you SHOULD have been thinking about her, you were only thinking of yourself. Now, yourself is all you have left."

 

[aussiesheila]

Let me find it and I will!

Okay, here goes:

I'm about six-feet-tall. Let's say I try to hit someone of equal size with a baseball bat. Being right handed, I'd swing from behind my right shoulder to the left, shifting my weight from my back foot to my forward foot. That imbalance will tend to affect my power.

But if the person is a good deal shorter than I am, as a child would be to an adult, I can swing down directly from a central line with a secure standing base with both arms putting maximum power behind it, like an ax. Plus, my back is in the blow.

That's what I meant.

Thanks SuperDave, I see what you mean now.

So you think maybe Patsy in a rage stood behind JonBenet and hit her with the Maglite?

Sorry I don't think I'm going to consider this as an option unless you can include strangling immediately before or concurrent with the head blow because I think the autopsy evidence is clear that this was so.

 

[concernedperson]

I truly believe a rage scenario could have happened with Patsy. I also believe her to be a narcissist or a borderline. She is/was capable of stringing together plots as I think she did this all of her life.Burke is a product of his environment and will either rebel against it or suck it up. Too soon to tell.

 

[BBB167893]

"Thanks SuperDave, I see what you mean now. So you think maybe Patsy in a rage stood behind JonBenet and hit her with the Maglite?"

Sometimes. I have days where I don't know what to think.

"Sorry I don't think I'm going to consider this as an option unless you can include strangling immediately before or concurrent with the head blow because I think the autopsy evidence is clear that this was so."

Werner Spitz said that it was possible she was strangled and hit around the same time once, then the cord strangulation was staged. Something like that?

"I truly believe a rage scenario could have happened with Patsy. I also believe her to be a narcissist or a borderline. She is/was capable of stringing together plots as I think she did this all of her life.Burke is a product of his environment and will either rebel against it or suck it up. Too soon to tell."

CP, you told a story about seeing her rage firsthand. Some people here may not have heard it. Care to refresh us?

 

[aussiesheila]

From what I've read, Patsy seemed a bit of a narcissist. If she did kill JonBenet, a narcissist can somehow twist things around to justify what they did. My MIL is a narcissist. Had I known this years ago, I would have understood a lot more about how she operated. They don't function like the rest of us normal folks. Not at all.

I agree, definitely a bit of a narcissist. This is one of the reasons why IMO, she allowed herself to be pressured by the pedophiles who accidentally killed her daughter, to write the ransom note to cover up for them. If she hadn't, John would have found out about the prior sexual abuse of JonBenet that I believe took place and how Patsy had turned a blind eye to it. He would have ended the marriage there and then. I think Patsy was most concerned that would not happen and destroy whatever else she had left.

 

[concernedperson]

"Thanks SuperDave, I see what you mean now. So you think maybe Patsy in a rage stood behind JonBenet and hit her with the Maglite?"

Sometimes. I have days where I don't know what to think.

"Sorry I don't think I'm going to consider this as an option unless you can include strangling immediately before or concurrent with the head blow because I think the autopsy evidence is clear that this was so."

Werner Spitz said that it was possible she was strangled and hit around the same time once, then the cord strangulation was staged. Something like that?

"I truly believe a rage scenario could have happened with Patsy. I also believe her to be a narcissist or a borderline. She is/was capable of stringing together plots as I think she did this all of her life.Burke is a product of his environment and will either rebel against it or suck it up. Too soon to tell."

CP, you told a story about seeing her rage firsthand. Some people here may not have heard it. Care to refresh us?

OK, one more time. I was working at a Post property called Riverside in Atlanta.Upscale apartment living. The Ramsey's were living there while their home was being built.

Patsy came into the leasing office livid with veins sticking out in her neck.She was furious that a UPS package was delivered to the office. She believed that we should have notified her immediately. She wasn't home when they tried to deliver and ultimately brought it to the office. We were too busy to hand deliver at the moment in time she expected it. She reacted with outright rage and name calling. It wasn't at me as I was in the rear of the office at the time. I would have slugged her if she spoke to me that way.No one else reacted as she was friends with the owner.They spoke of it later but cowtowed to the abuse as expected from the owner. Not me, that is why I don't work there any longer.

She is/was capable of rage and I saw it. The Black Rage I call it. When all your emotions are on the surface. The fact that it was a petty incidence even furthers my belief that Patsy was capable of other rage and disappropriate to the incident at hand. JMO.

 

[Bev]

I believe it will be Pam Paugh - I think she's dying to tell what she knows and I have the evil thought that she might like the money too.

Concerned person - they call them street angels, house devils.

 

[Paradox]

I believe it will be Pam Paugh - I think she's dying to tell what she knows and I have the evil thought that she might like the money too.

Concerned person - they call them street angels, house devils.

Pam Paugh couldn't string together two coherent sentences if her twinkie supply depended on it.

 

[concernedperson]

I believe it will be Pam Paugh - I think she's dying to tell what she knows and I have the evil thought that she might like the money too.

Concerned person - they call them street angels, house devils.

Explain. I don't know this term.

 

[Paradox]

She is/was capable of rage and I saw it. The Black Rage I call it. When all your emotions are on the surface. The fact that it was a petty incidence even furthers my belief that Patsy was capable of other rage and disappropriate to the incident at hand. JMO.

What that shows is she was open to states of possession. It shows a lack of mediation. We are all capable of rage. But not all of us are open to states of possession.

An unhealthy psyche will exhibit all or nothing types of behavior; sickeningly sweet, unreal goodness and out of control rage.

Extremes in behavior such as rage and hate are appropriate at times. As you say, those types of behaviors at inappropriate times are indicative of an unhealthy psyche.

 

[BBB167893]

Thanks, CP. Hated to bother you.

"street angels, house devils."

That's easy enough: someone who's all nice-nice in public and a monster behind closed doors.

 

[rashomon]

I agree, definitely a bit of a narcissist. This is one of the reasons why IMO, she allowed herself to be pressured by the pedophiles who accidentally killed her daughter, to write the ransom note to cover up for them. If she hadn't, John would have found out about the prior sexual abuse of JonBenet that I believe took place and how Patsy had turned a blind eye to it. He would have ended the marriage there and then. I think Patsy was most concerned that would not happen and destroy whatever else she had left.

JMPO, but given the narcissist that she was, Patsy would never have allowed any pedophiles to touch her precious possession JonBenet, and never have covered up for them. Impossible.
Nor, thinking about it, do I believe Patsy would ever have covered up for John if she had caught him molesting JB, or found out he had killed her.
I don't even believe she would have covered up for Burke if he had hurt JB to the point of killing her. I think in that case Patsy would have suffered a total nervous breakdown, unable to think out any staging scenarios.

I'm convinced that the only person a true narcissist like Patsy would ever have covered up for was herself.

 

[UKGuy]

JMPO, but given the narcissist that she was, Patsy would never have allowed any pedophiles to touch her precious possession JonBenet, and never have covered up for them. Impossible.
Nor, thinking about it, do I believe Patsy would ever have covered up for John if she had caught him molesting JB, or found out he had killed her.
I don't even believe she would have covered up for Burke if he had hurt JB to the point of killing her. I think in that case Patsy would have suffered a total nervous breakdown, unable to think out any staging scenarios.

I'm convinced that the only person a true narcissist like Patsy would ever have covered up for was herself.

rashomon,

If you dont think Patsy would have covered for John or Burke, what compels you to think they must cover for her?

The rage scenario can explain the initial violence but for me not all of it, certainly not all the staging. I think there is more to it than a simple rage come accident homicide!


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