Notches for Kids on Celtic Harp

[ANGRYWOLF]

been a conviction..............no evidence either Ramsey had anything to do with Jon Benet's death.....some people don't like the Ramseys, Patsy especially it seems....John Douglas told us in Nashville a few months back that Patsy is dying of cancer so once she's gone we'll have to see what those who want to believe she was involved in this case will say.

 

[tipper]

been a conviction..............no evidence either Ramsey had anything to do with Jon Benet's death.....some people don't like the Ramseys, Patsy especially it seems....John Douglas told us in Nashville a few months back that Patsy is dying of cancer so once she's gone we'll have to see what those who want to believe she was involved in this case will say.

Over the years there have been polls of how many would vote to convict if they were on a jury. I've always been surprised at how many diehard anti-Ramsey posters admit they wouldn't convict on the evidence as we know it.

 

[Paradox]

once she's gone we'll have to see what those who want to believe she was involved in this case will say.

Once she is gone, some leaking will occur: bad news for Hunter, Koby, John and Patsy. Also, bad news for the RST.

 

[narlacat]

been a conviction..............no evidence either Ramsey had anything to do with Jon Benet's death.....some people don't like the Ramseys, Patsy especially it seems....John Douglas told us in Nashville a few months back that Patsy is dying of cancer so once she's gone we'll have to see what those who want to believe she was involved in this case will say.

It's old news that Patsy is dying of cancer.
I'll believe it when I see it, she has more lives than a cat

 

[rashomon]

Rashomon,
That's a pretty strong post,coming from someone who admitted on this and other forums,just a few months go,that you are still fairly new to this case and are still trying to catch up on all the reading. Mentioning KISS,leads us to believe that other theories are stupid.We don't take too kindly to that attitude on this forum ... at least I don't.
If it's as simple as you believe,someone would have been in jail by now.

But from what I've read so far, I have not found a shred of evidence which would point away from the Ramseys. Quite the contrary, I'm shocked at how much more additional things point to them.
If there was any outrage in my post, it's because the Ramseys obviously have been very successful at conning so many people into believing their story.

And the main reason why the Ramseys are not in jail is because they have been given kid glove treatment right from the start by a spineless DA who was too much of a coward to stand up to their lawyers, and prevented the investigation from being conducted as it should have been conducted.
Former FBI profiler Gregg McCrary said that Hunter and some of his staff should have been indicted because of malfeasance and obstruction of justice.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

no evidence either Ramsey had anything to do with Jon Benet's death.....some people don't like the Ramseys, Patsy especially it seems.

What are you talking about? Most of the evidence points directly at the Rs, especially Patsy (IMO she wrote that ransom note). It happened in their maze of a house, they have differing stories as to what happened both Christmas night and the morning of the 26th, their supplies were used in the crime and subsequent attempt to draw attention away from them (the RN), they screwed up the crime scene by messing with it, they never acted like they were honestly afraid (calling 911, sending Burke to the Whites, sending Burke back to school), they have done nothing but lie and try to hinder investigation since day one.

What innocent parent that wants their child's killer caught behaves like they did - refusing to cooperate with LE and lawyering up and making ridiculous demands of LE and all those bogus "we're the victims here" television appearances? Writes a book like DOI, where, shockingly, the death of innocence they refer is their own?

Their defunct foundation and abandoned search for the killer complete with dead email and websites speaks volumes to me. They don't care about catching the killer because it was one of them.

And I don't like Patsy Ramsey not only because I believe she was the most likely person to have murdered a defenseless 6 year old girl after abusing her for some time, but because I think she sounds like a self-centered superficial PITA who thinks everyone should adore her and hang on her every word. The second half of DOI is quite a bit of Patsy whining about how infamous she's become and how "everybody and his brother wants to interview me" (pb DOI, page 238). IMO - she loved the attention.

 

[rashomon]

Yes...poor Santa. John said he was effeminate, gay. So why would a gay person molest a female child?

And what would be the point for any Santa or other pedophile to write such a kidnap ransom note? A lengthy, rambling note with which these people would leave behind additional evidence? I would make no sense at all for them. Why not just leave? No one disputes that the pen and paper came from the Ramsey home. So the Ramseys want people to believe that this person sat down at their kitchen table after the murders and wrote the note? Priceless!

 

[tipper]

I think the note was written first while waiting for the Ramseys to come home.

 

[tipper]

Yes...poor Santa. John said he was effeminate, gay. So why would a gay person molest a female child?

McSanta isn't a favorite suspect of mine but there are pedophiles that don't care whether they molest boys or girls.

 

[narlacat]

Defintion of pedophile:
An adult who is sexually attracted to children.

Some people are so homophobic they will blame gay people for anything and everything.

 

[rashomon]

I think the note was written first while waiting for the Ramseys to come home.

Who do you think wrote the note? A member of the 'small foreign faction'?
For if it wasn't a member of the 'SFF', the note was clearly bogus. But what would be the point for an intruder in writing a bogus ransom note?

 

[Eagle1]

Did the newspaper article about JR being made Enterpreneur of the Year mention his past, that he'd been in the Philippines? Were there other ways that pedophiles could know that about JR's past? Knowing the layout of the house wouldn't be hard, since he was probably at the party on the 23rd and may also have been in some of the homes tours. Plus he may even have asked JonBenet to show him around.

If not, I would just guess that the note writer had been there too, and wanted JR to think about something that happened there, and wonder if it was the cause, even if it was only that they met there, and JR might not even remember.

 

[capps]

Who do you think wrote the note? A member of the 'small foreign faction'?
For if it wasn't a member of the 'SFF', the note was clearly bogus. But what would be the point for an intruder in writing a bogus ransom note?

Could this be a possible reason? This is from a post I wrote back in July 2005,I was too lazy to type it again.

"There was a reason for the ranson note.
The perp did not want to leave,letting JR to think this could have been done by just anyone (crazy person in the area,pedophile stalking JonBenet, etc.) The ransom note was covert enough to let JR know,maybe not exactly who did it,but narrowed it down.
The "inner" information: $118,000(JR's bonus),southern common sense(used jokingly by JR's inner circles),fat cat(his wealth,business),SBTC(JR's military service),Victory(possibly a word that was used often during JR's annual Regatta races in Chicago). These were all covert messages,that led JR to believe this was an "inside job". I believe the rest was "filler" to sound like a "standard" ransom note.

IMO ... I think the person who wanted revenge for JR is a powerful, important person,who would not personally kill JonBenet,but paid off someone,who knows someone,who would.I also believe,JR has a good idea of who this person is ...and for reasons we don't know ... he's not talking.

It wasn't the money ... it wasn't JonBenet ... it was a message to John."

 

[Paradox]

Never mind there is absolutely no verifiable evidence that anyone but the four Ramseys were in the house that night. Don't let that fact get in the way of looking past John, Patsy and Burke.

 

[narlacat]

You know the old saying...never let the facts get in the way of a good story

 

[sharpar]

No I am not desperate and dont believe I sound that way at all, I just dont understand why you see it as complicated many children die by their parents hand every day and there is no evidence that says these parents are innocent. The matter of staging is unusual but it does what all murderers attempt to do, cover who and how the victim was murdered. I dont think I am over simplifying I think you are making it more complicated than it deserves.

 

[sharpar]

McSanta isn't a favorite suspect of mine but there are pedophiles that don't care whether they molest boys or girls.

I dont think pedophiles are to blame, victims of incest have punished a target in ways that have sexual componets. The pentration of JB wasnt for
sexual pleasure for the abuser but degrading punishment for the victim. The abuser didnt get any sexual satisfaction from the act but psychological.
It may have quieted the demons of the abuser.

 

[Eagle1]

Could this be a possible reason? This is from a post I wrote back in July 2005,I was too lazy to type it again.

"There was a reason for the ranson note.
The perp did not want to leave,letting JR to think this could have been done by just anyone (crazy person in the area,pedophile stalking JonBenet, etc.) The ransom note was covert enough to let JR know,maybe not exactly who did it,but narrowed it down..........Exactly. Well Said imo, Eagle)

........These were all covert messages,that led JR to believe this was an "inside job". I believe the rest was "filler" to sound like a "standard" ransom note..........

IMO ... I think the person who wanted revenge for JR is a powerful, important person,who would not personally kill JonBenet,but paid off someone,who knows someone,who would.I also believe,JR has a good idea of who this person is ...and for reasons we don't know ... he's not talking.

It wasn't the money ... it wasn't JonBenet ... it was a message to John."

That's exactly the impressions I get too! "Inside job" meaning covert stuff, taking credit, as terrorist groups sometimes do, away from locals. But whoever it was still could have been in this country at the time, using others as "insulation" to do this to the child who seemed to be calling attention to herself, at least in the mind of this person, "all in his head". I think he was also nervous during the Grand Jury that something would come to light, and made those calls to PR which stopped when there were no indictments.

 

[rashomon]

Could this be a possible reason? This is from a post I wrote back in July 2005,I was too lazy to type it again.

IMO ... I think the person who wanted revenge for JR is a powerful, important person,who would not personally kill JonBenet,but paid off someone,who knows someone,who would.I also believe,JR has a good idea of who this person is ...and for reasons we don't know ... he's not talking.

It wasn't the money ... it wasn't JonBenet ... it was a message to John."

Jmpo, but when powerful persons hire a killer, they have the money to hire a real professional and not a bungling amateur who fed JB pineapple and waited for over an hour before he killed her. Far too risky.
And why did this powerful person tell the abductor to stay in the house for a lengthy time, sexually assault JonBenet, get her clothes changed, wrap her and stage a scene? Far too risky again.
The hired killer could have gotten caught in the act by the Ramseys and snitched on the 'powerful person' who had sent him ... Far too risky again.

 

[sissi]

We can not assume that Jonbenet was fed the pineapple, as we do not know, can not know, if she ate it before leaving for the Whites.

Pineapple eaten moments before the murder is absolutely impossible!! We can assume this.