NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #1

[Only4Justice]

JMO

I have to wonder if some sort of mental illness was taking hold because from this article about his deceased father they do mention his father had been diagnosed as a psychopath which is a very serious illness if true. There is not really anything to back this up other than this report but if true then it may be something that can link mental illness to a direct blood relative of his.

I dont know much about mental illness but I think it can affect people later in life even if they did not have symptoms earlier in their life. Until something more concrete comes out IMO I am going to consider some sort of mental illness a possibility that may have contributed.

The other hint about it was the interview with the brother where he said something about "moving him". Like maybe they had to make all the arrangements. So wondering if he was losing his mental capacity.

I am also thinking he may have had a serious gambling problem and if mental illness was getting worse it may have put him over the edge to plan something like this.
Like was mentioned earlier maybe he went there with the plan to bet huge amounts and he would either win his money back or take revenge out on the casino and everyone else around him.

I guess we just have to wait until more is known about his motives.

Below is the article where we see them stating a diagnosis about the father.

"An FBI poster issued after the escape said Benjamin Hoskins Paddock had been "diagnosed as psychopathic" and should be considered "armed and very dangerous." He'd been serving a 20-year sentence for a string of bank robberies in Phoenix.

The elder Paddock remained on the lam for nearly a decade, living under an assumed name in Oregon. Investigators found him in 1978 after he attracted publicity for opening the state's first licensed bingo parlor. He died in 1998.

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https://kdminer.com/news/2017/oct/02/las-vegas-gunman-was-retired-and-had-no-criminal-r/

My thoughts exactly.


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[Pamela_Brewer]

Wonder if he had a medical condition and knew he wouldn't pass? Did he still own a plane?

Two is what I read.
MOO

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[DatelineFan]

You must look at the whole picture- Here is a man that, by all accounts lived a productive, law abiding life. Something
happened for him to commit such a heinous crime. Otherwise we need to ask- how was he able to live under the radar all these years? I will be very interested in knowing if they study his brain for pathology.

How do we know he lived a law abiding life? We only know he's never been caught.

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[Cryptic]

Vegas is also the land of mind-your-own-business. "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." That's the whole allure of Sin City. So I wouldn't be surprised to hear that people did see an old man struggling with bulky, heavy bags and didn't pay it any mind.

Not to mention. He's an old white man, nobody really ever suspects that type of person of nefarious activity. JMO.

I would not have paid him any mind regardless of his race.

People carry multiple, heavy bags into Las Vegas hotel rooms for any number of reasons that don't involve the "sin city" billing or plans for mass murder. For example, Las Vegas hosts over 20,000 trade shows of various sizes per year: https://www.statista.com/statistics/221043/conventions-in-las-vegas/

So, my guess is that older men lugging heavy baggage into expensive hotel rooms is a common sight- and that such luggage usually contains display merchandise, product information, lap tops, break down booths etc.

 

[lonetraveler]

You have to understand where I am coming from when I made my comment. There are "certain" cases where people are automatically labeled as "****s" and "terrorists" without any other thought and then you have cases like "this" where people will try so hard not to label it for what it is. It's like there "has" to be some reason to explain away his actions. You have people already trying to bring up his childhood and his dad being in prison, etc... isn't that the same thing we hear about in 85% of the cases we read about here? But only "certain" cases seem to be allotted these exceptions...

Am I angry right now? I am furious! This is not the first time a family member of mine has been directly impacted by a mass shooting. My cousin was shot (and lived) in a College Campus shooting just a few years ago.

I'm venting right now and yes, I know I am. Maybe I should not even be posting right now, but I am just plain sick of it all right now.

This is not directed at you or anyone else here and I do apologize for venting.

I totally understand where you are coming from and IMO there is no need to apologize for letting off steam. I feel the very same way. Sick and tired of people's evil behavior being filed away as mental illness as an excuse. I for one still believe that someone can be just plain evil.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Maybe they need to start scanning/inspecting people's luggage when they check into the hotel, as airlines do.

JMO, I wouldn't want to stay in a hotel with a gun show or some such with people all over the hotel packing dangerous assault weapons, etc. In the future I'll check which conventions are scheduled on site before I make a hotel reservation.

Unfortunately, we have no right to search bags. I work at a Hotel (a very busy Airport Hotel at that). We've never had a "Gun Show" booked. They are usually at the Convention Centers Downtown.

I will say that we've had many, many irresponsible gun owners leave their guns in their rooms. Unfortunately, it is very common for our Housekeepers to find loaded guns underneath pillows (especially) or drawers.

I won't go into all the other things Housekeepers find that "law abiding" citizens leave behind...

 

[Betty P]

PC still going on. Sheriff says they found ammonium nitrate and tannerite in his car.

These are explosives. Recall Timonthy McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma building with a truck full of ammonium nitrate.

 

[bestill]

Sherriff announced during the presser going on right now that he had 18 weapons and explosives, later he confirmed it's Tannerite in the home they searched today and they confiscated several electronic devices too. We'll be hearing a lot more in coming days. Why would anyone legally need Tannerite?

 

[Davia18]

I don't think we are ever going to be able to understand why because we are not killers.
What does he get out of killing many people harming even more and then taking your own life.
Something we can never ever understand, it makes zero sense.
My only answer at this time is PURE EVIL.

 

[Only4Justice]

Or he's just evil.

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I believe in EVIL. Absolutely.


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[Betty P]

Sherriff announced during the presser going on right now that he had 18 weapons and explosives, later he confirmed it's Tannerite in the home they searched today and they confiscated several electronic devices too. We'll be hearing a lot more in coming days. Why would anyone legally need Tannerite?

Some idiotic gun nuts use it for fun during target practice. Perhaps viagra would be safer. /s

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just my 2c. I don't think he had a gambling addiction. He is described as a professional gambler. He was also an accountant by trade. I'm just not buying the gambling angle.

I don't either and I don't think it had anything to do with the horrible acts he has done.

I think he was gambling big in the last few days or weeks because he knew he had already planned to murder all of these people and kill himself when the police closed in.

I think he had this all planned for weeks or even months before he did it. Imo, he was spending his money wildly because he knew it wouldn't be long before he would be doing this massacre. Imo, he knew most likely he would either be shot dead by LE or would do himself in.

IMO

 

[Betty P]

Sheriff PC - Clarified the explosives - they were found in his home, not the car. Sheriff was talking about both locations before, kind of confusing. He's very tired, poor guy.

 

[cady]

Sherriff said he had ammonium nitrate in the car.....anyone else hear that? It was an aside and he quickly moved on. JMO Is that fertilizer? Isn't that what OK bomber used for explosives?

 

[Betty P]

I don't either and I don't think it had anything to do with the horrible acts he has done.

I think he was gambling big in the last few days or weeks because he knew he had already planned to murder all of these people and kill himself when the police closed in.

I think he had this all planned for weeks or even months before he did it. Imo, he was spending his money wildly because he knew it wouldn't be long before he would be doing this massacre. Imo, he knew most likely he would either be shot dead by LE or would do himself in.

IMO

No doubt, he'd been planning a lot of things for quite some time. Why else would he have explosives in his home? He was planning some apocalyptic activities. Sounds more and more like a McVeigh style guy who wanted to be famous.

 

[perfectingpink]

Sherriff announced during the presser going on right now that he had 18 weapons and explosives, later he confirmed it's Tannerite in the home they searched today and they confiscated several electronic devices too. We'll be hearing a lot more in coming days. Why would anyone legally need Tannerite?

To blow things up and make loud booms. I have been near where Tannerite was detonated (they shot at it with a rifle) and the repercussion was so great it made the leg of my jeans move. I hated it almost as much as I hate guns.

 

[Betty P]

Sherriff said he had ammonium nitrate in the car.....anyone else hear that? It was an aside and he quickly moved on. JMO Is that fertilizer? Isn't that what OK bomber used for explosives?

Yes, apparently he was planning to build and set off a bomb. Ammonium nitrate plus fuel oil = a big bomb.

 

[Kano]

I have done a lot of work for casinos in the past.. As it goes you may win the day but in the long run the odds always favor the casino. That's how these places stay in business

 

[Davia18]

Sounds like it could have been much worse, thankful law enforcement moved so quickly. Hundreds more could have lost their lives. I don't think he would have stopped until he was out of ammo JMO

 

[Only4Justice]

I would like to state for the record that I do NOT reserve the question of mental illness for white perpetrators. As my other posts indicate, the question of mental illness does NOT equate excuse. It does not equate that the person was not in control of his or her actions. It does not equate that they "Did not know what they were doing". Again, you can be have a personality disorder, you can have suicidal or homicidal ideation and be VERY AWARE that what you are doing is going to harm or kill another human, you can even enjoy it. And yes, Personality Disorders are a diagnosable mental illness.

I am equally frustrated with this confusion and the constant semantics of what terrorism is and isn't. This is terrorism. It was terrorism when African Americans were slaughtered in a church, it was terrorism when movie goers were slaughtered while watching Batman, it was terrorism when Little First Graders were massacred while learning the alphabet. It was terrorism when LGBTQ were murdered in cold blood while out having a good time. All domestic terrorism.

The question of the presence of mental illness, for me, is not intended to erase the horror of what the perpetrator has done, is not reserved for white perpetrators, and certainly does not mean that they they did not know right from wrong.

Thanks for your post. I agree.


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