NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #3

[Isabelle]

I had heard it on CNN this a.m. it will be interesting to see what exactly he wrote down. Being a numbers guy It must have some meaning to him. IMO

Probably had to do with gambling odds or machine numbers.

 

[m00c0w]

BATF ruled that bump stocks did not violate the National Firearms Act about that time. NFA is the law that greatly restricted ownership of fully automatic firearms and prohibited modification of firearms or selling kits to make them fully automatic. The NFA defines fully automatic as firing more than one bullet with a single pull of the trigger. Since bump stocks simply automate pulling the trigger they don't fit the NFA definition of fully automatic.

A little semantics thing here - it doesn't automate anything. It just assists the shooter with pulling the trigger more quickly.

 

[Isabelle]

The Clark County Coroner's Office has released the names of the deceased victims.

http://www.clarkcountynv.gov/public...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

What a sad list!!!

 

[Gooddeeds]

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I am not the poster you questioned but I do believe it is going to become harder and harder for us to access many news site artlices online due to them now wanting people to subscribe in order to read what they have printed. If I click on any link requiring a subscription to read I simply do not so therefore I don't get to read the entire article. There are many others who do not demand payment to read their articles online. So I search for the same information mentioned, and find the same information from another news site or cable news channel.

I have already run into this problem several times concerning articles which have been linked here about this case. Some of them I would never join even if it was free, nor would I normally ever read them in the first place, and certainly wouldn't pay to read their online articles. Many such media have had to do this because their newspapers are majorly falling with the amount of people willing to buy their newspapers now.
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-Thank you Oceanblue for explaining. Same here, I refuse to pay or subscribe in order to read the rest of the story. Many years ago before our now Fake-News, before typos were the norm, before anyone can claim anything they wish in their story and no longer bother making corrections if cited, I would have been more sensitive about supporting journalism platforms. Its entirely different now. IMO

 

[dotr]

https://globalnews.ca/news/3788910/...ices-volunteers-in-wake-of-las-vegas-tragedy/
October 6, 2017 2:19 am

[h=1]RCMP detachment in Fraser Valley looking for more Victim Services volunteers in wake of Las Vegas tragedy[/h]

The RCMP detachment in Mission B.C. is looking for more volunteers to work with the Victim Services team, to help those affected by Sunday’s mass shooting in Las Vegas.

It is also urging those who went through it to reach out for help.

Manager Gina Albanese says the team has heard many Fraser Valley residents were at the concert when the shooting took place, but so far has only provided assistance to a single person who was there.

An information session on the Victim Services team is scheduled for Thursday, Oct. 12.

Volunteers undergo an 8-month training course to teach them how to help somebody who went through a traumatic event.

 

[zencompass]

As for a possible motive, I think it may be to do with his father, maybe he held a grudge towards the police/authority for taking his father out of his life.

It is so difficult to fathom a motive behind horrific and evil acts.

Seems to me that this monster's lifelong "goal" or "dream" was to murder as many people as he possibly could in a short period of time. The fact that he purchased 33 firearms (mostly rifles) in 2016 looks to me as if he had decided to go ahead with his "plan" then. Who knows how long he has planned this horrific event?

For us, the average person has goals - sometimes long term to be able to retire somewhat comfortably and to be living nearby family members we love. This is my long time goal or "dream".

That is the opposite of what serial killers' goals are. We can't, in my opinion, think like that because we are not wired to think that way.

I've been reading quite a bit about research concerning frontal lobes appearing different in serial killers' brains than the average person.

If anyone is interested in reading this article - it is a good discussion not only about research of brains of serial killers but a talk about how to intervene, if there is a possibility, with younger people who are exhibiting signs of great violence.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128339306

 

[rsd1200]

So what if they would have figured out who he was? If he left the room before security guard was outside of it, he could have escaped at that moment, and before hotel figured out who he was. Obviously he would have become a subject of a manhunt, but they would have to find him first. If he managed to leave the room before security and police showed up, he could have escaped at least for a period of time before everybody was looking for him.

This is why I thought he may have had two cars. One nearby and the other loaded down with ammo and tannerite. To blow something up with one pound of tannerite you want to be at least 150-200 yards away (at least I would, depending on what I was blowing up). So he could've planned to do way more damage with a vehicle loaded with 50 pounds of it, ammo, and the vehicle demolition itself, shot from long range. It would have caused even more death, and destruction, and while everyone was focused on that, he drives away and possibly had airline tickets and a passport on the ready somewhere safe.

 

[dotr]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/vegas-motive-mass-shootings.html

Experts and law enforcement veterans caution that it can take time to establish a killer’s real motivations, piecing together electronic data with interviews and other shards of a life twisted into extreme violence.

Officials involved in the Las Vegas investigation have said they expect it will take an exhaustive search into Mr. Paddock’s past, spanning multiple states and decades of his life, to deduce what brought him to the windows of the Mandalay Bay hotel with such an elaborate plan for murder. In F.B.I. speak, they want to understand his “pathway to violence.”

Andrew Bringuel, a former member of the F.B.I.’s behavioral analysis unit, said investigators were undoubtedly exploring a range of motives that include personal, economic, social or political.

“He could have been seeking revenge,” said Mr. Bringuel, who retired earlier this year. “This could have been a personal grievance. He could have been a sore loser. Gamblers like to talk about their winnings, but not their losses. I worked for the F.B.I. for a long time. The F.B.I. is pretty good at looking at the nooks and crannies of someone’s life. The bureau will end up with a hypothesis. Whether the bureau can prove it is a separate question.”

“In a lot of cases, even when they give a motive, what they’re saying is for public effect,” Mr. Lankford said, “not necessarily the true explanation behind their actions.”

 

[2Hope4]

The valium someone mentioned. It was stated it was 10mg tablets of Valium. This is a high dose IMO. As a nurse, I only gave 10mg of Valium via an injection to a patient who had seizures. I've commonly seen it given in 2mg dosage. I've seen it given when someone has esophageal spasms, often seen with cancer patients, or after their cancer surgery. Even then, 5 mg was initially given, then lowered to 2mg.

It eases muscle spasms, as well anxiety. I just don't know why a doctor would prescribe 10mg dosage if smaller dosages hadn't been tried first....

Another odd thing about this case...among many others

 

[Bravo]

10 mg. of Valium is a high dose. Perhaps he grew a tolerance to it over time. I do question not only the dosage but the drug itself. In todays pharmaceutical world.

 

[moonriverfarm]

Maybe the numbers in the note were calculations of how many bullets/how many victims; angles, which weapon, etc.
Maybe they related to gambling.

 

[Gardenista]

Interesting from a neighbor. They were kind of transient, so I'm not sure what to make of this.

Mrs Page also revealed how Paddock, 64, fled town after buying a new silver minivan at the start of August.

And just two weeks later she said she watched as girlfriend Marilou Danley packed her things into her car before also leaving.

Mrs Page added: “I remember at the start of August looking out of my window and seeing Stephen pull up in a brand new huge silver minivan.

“But just a few days later he left the house in it and was never seen again.

Marilou Danley packed up and left Reno at around the same time as Paddock, neighbours said
“I thought the whole situation was even weirder when two weeks later I then look out of my window again to see Marilou stuffing her car full of all her belongings.

“Over the course of three or four days it was like she was moving her entire life out of the house.

“She packed so much stuff not only was her car full, but it was also tied to the top of her car.

“After a few days of packing she too pulled out of the driveway and was never seen again.


http://www.news.com.au/national/ste...r/news-story/c688cbe4ec17354669f08eec8537765d

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Mrs Page added: “I remember at the start of August looking out of my window and seeing Stephen pull up in a brand new huge silver minivan.

What does "minivan" mean in a US context please? Can anyone link to a photo of the sort of vehicle this is?

I wonder if it was acquired with the intention of being packed with explosives.

 

[Poppyflower]

https://www.chrysler.com/en/minivan/

https://www.chrysler.com/pacifica.html

What does "minivan" mean in a US context please? Can anyone link to a photo of the sort of vehicle this is?

I wonder if it was acquired with the intention of being packed with explosives.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

https://www.chrysler.com/en/minivan/

https://www.chrysler.com/pacifica.html

Thanks. It's what we call a people carrier in the UK.

 

[Webbie16]

When I look at this photo I think you are seeing the "top" half of the door, not the bottom half. The two recessed squares on the door are not the same size and I think you would be able to see the full smaller square in the opening. I would assume we are not seeing the bottom half of the door and that might explain the lack of bullet holes visible. Of course JMO Also not really sure it maters, just an observation.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Tonight (Friday) at 9:00PM (EDT) on CNN:

AC360 Special Report: Las Vegas Lost: Remembering the Victims

Anderson Cooper talks to friends and family of victims of the Las Vegas mass shooting.

 

[bears10]

The valium someone mentioned. It was stated it was 10mg tablets of Valium. This is a high dose IMO. As a nurse, I only gave 10mg of Valium via an injection to a patient who had seizures. I've commonly seen it given in 2mg dosage. I've seen it given when someone has esophageal spasms, often seen with cancer patients, or after their cancer surgery. Even then, 5 mg was initially given, then lowered to 2mg.

It eases muscle spasms, as well anxiety. I just don't know why a doctor would prescribe 10mg dosage if smaller dosages hadn't been tried first....

Another odd thing about this case...among many others

I personally don't think it's that unusual to take 10mg Valium but that's just me. My dad is an alcoholic but never touched any other drugs in his life. He started to get anxiety attacks a few years back (probably due to his alcoholism) and his doctor prescribed him 10mg of Valium 2x a day. That was way too much for him so his doctor changed it to 1x a day. My dad only takes them as needed.

In my experiences with being prescribed controlled substances, my general practitioners were always very quick to prescribe me high dosages, whether it was an upper or downer. I've also never had an issue with getting my dosages increased or decreased by simply just asking.

 

[human]

People read online now instead of getting hard copies. You can't pick up a newspaper without paying, so just because the method of reading has changed doesn't mean that journalists do not need to get paid.

Washington Post has 6 months free, I believe, if you have Amazon Prime and then a very minimal fee thereafter. NY Times and Washington Post have discounts on subscriptions for students and educators as well. Although I have little money I am happy to subscribe to at least one of the major newspapers. The others who offer everything for free often have annoying amounts of advertising to pay for it and sometimes also have less credibility.

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I think they need to charge. But on here there are links to many papers. There is no way to subscribe to so many

 

[Elley Mae]

Lombardo added that Paddock fired "well over 200 rounds" into the hallway when the security guard approached. Paddock had set up a camera in the hallway, apparently to watch for approaching authorities.

"It's amazing" that Campos didn't sustain more injuries, Lombardo said.

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews....rd-las-vegas-gunman-unarmed/story?id=50290318