NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[Betty P]

He doesn’t have to address any of the conspiracy theories. This isn’t anything new. The only reason he is giving it any attention is he’s coming up for re-election, IMO.

Also no questions. Yep. This is more like damage control than a press conference to put out new information. :moo:

I dunno, I have a better understanding of where he's coming from on the timeline in the hotel and the discrepancy and clarification on when Paddock checked into the room.

First contact from Campos was when he responded to the alarm. He went up and walked around checking out the door next to Paddock's room where the alarm originated. It took a few minutes before Paddock shot him through the door. Campos did alert security office using his radio and his cell phone after being shot. Been verified according to security log, etc.

 

[Betty P]

Did I understand correctly that the policeman was fired upon while he was in a patrol car arriving on the scene?

Yes, the sheriff said when deputies arrived on the scene, Paddock shifted his fire towards them in their cars and away from the crowd at the festival.

 

[komodo]

Looks like LV PD should hire some PR firm to do the damage control and press conferences.
I can understand all the "ongoing investigation" and "lot of moving parts" bits, but I think the general public deserves to be informed about whats going on.

 

[sds71]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/us/stephen-paddock-father-vegas.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Father’s History Could Offer Insight Into Mind of Las Vegas Gunman

 

[m00c0w]

Or because the conspiracies and fake news are complicating his investigation, creating suspicion where it doesn't belong, and basically kicking LE right in the face for self serving and inappropriate reasons?

Asking questions is appropriate and needed, conspiracy theorizing and rumor/fake news spreading is not the same thing.

You act like conspiracy theories are novel to these events. I’ve never heard a chief LEO give these theories credence by addressing them. It’s unnecessary. He doesn’t have to address any of it, just put out facts.

 

[enelram]

1. so a human entered the time of call from sg into entry log? no recording? no time stamp? a human.

2. SG "attempted to relay info on wound via his radio and cellphone". did his call go through and to whom? why not say 'he called suzy in dispatch .....'?
22:15 officers arrive- who? regular officers, officers already in casino, SWAT??
4. When did SWAT arrive?

 

[MistyWaters]

Because he has crazy right wing "journalists" stalking his home, trying to get inside. These are scary people, some have been arrested before, in a publicity stunt to raise money.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nspiracy-theory-stephen-paddock-a7991891.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/17/woman-who-stormed-stage-during-julius-caesar-is-ar/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/19/f...e-activist-ever-interrupted-shakespeare-play/

I'm saddened that this tragedy caused by a lunatic who took 58 innocents, not to forget that the lives of their family and friends are forever changed, plus other victims with injuries and trauma they'll be forced to cope with for the rest of their years.

To fire at a crowd of 22,000, out his hotel window at people who expected to enjoy a relaxing evening listening and singing along to music. Given SPs actions, obviously he held no value to even his own life but even more, he plotted to leave a big bloody footprint. His way of expressing his anger, bitterness and control.

The following wave of conspiracy theorists, fingers of blame pointed everywhere and to everyone remotely involved - sort of an eerie full circle because the movement appears to somewhat mimic similar emotions - anger, bitterness and control at a deeply personal level. I admit just don't get it.

JMO

 

[enelram]

You act like conspiracy theories are novel to these events. I’ve never heard a chief LEO give these theories credence by addressing them. It’s unnecessary. He doesn’t have to address any of it, just put out facts.

And addressing the 'incompetent' comments. ??
Yes just the facts- Clear, Concise and Correct Facts.
So basically we still don't know much that's new. Very disappointing.

 

[kittythehare]

Vague, unclear, omitting specific details, dancing around timeline and who called who and when. not incompetent?

I missed first couple of minutes.. unless he said any more than Betty just tweeted?
He gave no new information
we remain stuck with our sG sequences and shooters multitasking and bilocutary abilities..
the ct's will soar in glee.
they're mean minded...
The brain is off the Richter scale wild..
What about all his other organs?
Were they not sent for analysis as well?
Who decided brain only to go to lab?
There was a whole body there.. an entire body..
BLOOD? Tox?
Gastric analysis?
Alcohol?

And its most important that WE, the enemy, see that they are a most united front. All 3.

thats lovely for them..
I thought he was pissed as well until I realised he is actually raging..
NO QUESTIONS!!! GRRRR.
Why did he even show up?
Any of them?
How closely and carefully are they guarding 'their' city when something like this can happen?
Do they actually have intelligence on anybody at all popping in and out for a few days here and there?

They both need to get the hell away from that investigation very fast indeed.

How many days later and they procured no relevant intelligence AT aLL, not one bit from alleged killer's telecommunications devices.
Genius.
wow!
Perhaps they should invite Apple in to help them out again?

But there is no incompetence here, none at all.

Where were they radicalised?

 

[m00c0w]

I dunno, I have a better understanding of where he's coming from on the timeline in the hotel and the discrepancy and clarification on when Paddock checked into the room.

First contact from Campos was when he responded to the alarm. He went up and walked around checking out the door next to Paddock's room where the alarm originated. It took a few minutes before Paddock shot him through the door. Campos did alert security office using his radio and his cell phone after being shot. Been verified according to security log, etc.

I didn’t really understand his explanation for the confusion on the hotel room. He seemed to go back and forth and didn’t make a lot of sense.

I also didn’t quite understand the timeline discrepancies. We now have a THIRD timeline and no mention of maintenance guy in this one. And no real explanation of why the mishap occurred. I could understand being off by a minute or two, but it’s a massive error to transpose ending the shooting and “causing” the shooting by spooking the shooter and forcing his hand.

 

[Spice]

You act like conspiracy theories are novel to these events. I’ve never heard a chief LEO give these theories credence by addressing them. It’s unnecessary. He doesn’t have to address any of it, just put out facts.

How is it unnecessary to address something as opposed to the truth as fake news and conspiracy theories ?

I do not act like these things are novel to these situations. I am just aware enough to understand how pervasive, rampant, and absolutely harmful both are currently in our culture today. All you have to do is scroll through these forums these threads to understand just that.

He doesn't have to address them to give them "Life". As we have all seen here, they just won't die despite being debunked ad nauseam.

When you are the person responsible for bringing the truth to the community and the public, you must address the misinformation and untruths.

 

[m00c0w]

How is it unnecessary to address something as opposed to the truth as fake news and conspiracy theories are?

I do not act like these things are novel to these situations. I am just aware enough to understand how pervasive, rampant, and absolutely harmful both are currently in our culture today. All you have to do is scroll through these forums these threads to understand just that.

All he needs to address is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Addressing the conspiracy theories does nothing. This was damage control for a politician that doesn’t want to be seen as incompetent prior to launching his reelection campaign. :moo:

 

[Betty P]

You act like conspiracy theories are novel to these events. I’ve never heard a chief LEO give these theories credence by addressing them. It’s unnecessary. He doesn’t have to address any of it, just put out facts.

As he said at the PC, he's trying to reassure the public that the killer has been found and that there are no other killers out there.

Beyond that, he and the FBI are working on investigating the killer, his timeline, history, etc. Paddock is the bad guy here and we need for them to learn all they can about him, what happened and why.

JMO, I think its wrong for the CT folks to be using this tragedy to raise money for themselves.

 

[enelram]

Did FBI speak at pc? Was FBI present? I'm wondering if FBI not co-operating and not providing new info to sheriff.??

 

[Webbie16]

Has anyone found a transcript of the last presser yet?

 

[Spice]

All he needs to address is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Addressing the conspiracy theories does nothing. This was damage control for a politician that doesn’t want to be seen as incompetent prior to launching his reelection campaign. :moo:

Agreed. But how is he supposed to do that with all of the lies and noise created on the internet and in the spread and fake news that has obviously infected the public ? And the accusations thrown his way about incompetence and coverups, laughably within days of the massacre?

Fake News and Conspiracy Theories are the proverbial elephants in the room. I would find it odd if he didn't address and smack all of the misinformation down.

I'm glad he confronted it. Maybe now we can all focus on the facts available at this time to reveal the truth as the investigation continues.

 

[kittythehare]

How is it unnecessary to address something as opposed to the truth as fake news and conspiracy theories ?

I do not act like these things are novel to these situations. I am just aware enough to understand how pervasive, rampant, and absolutely harmful both are currently in our culture today. All you have to do is scroll through these forums these threads to understand just that.

He doesn't have to address them to give them "Life". As we have all seen here, they just won't die despite being debunked ad nauseam.

When you are the person responsible for bringing the truth to the community and the public, you must address the misinformation and untruths.

Spice, he is responsible for the conspiracy theories by not handling it as he should have to date.
How much time has passed and there was almost no new information.?
What does that foster?
stories,
I'm beginning to think in terms of conspiracies now myself and I never was before.

To withold information for this much time following a mass casualty event when the help of the general public is both requested and needed is to foster a bad climate for co-operation, catharsis or resolution.
We've done more work on websleuths in a single night!!

 

[m00c0w]

How is it unnecessary to address something as opposed to the truth as fake news and conspiracy theories ?

I do not act like these things are novel to these situations. I am just aware enough to understand how pervasive, rampant, and absolutely harmful both are currently in our culture today. All you have to do is scroll through these forums these threads to understand just that.

He doesn't have to address them to give them "Life". As we have all seen here, they just won't die despite being debunked ad nauseam.

When you are the person responsible for bringing the truth to the community and the public, you must address the misinformation and untruths.

I guess you edited your comment as I was responding. In reference to that last part, the most telling part is that he only addressed conspiracy theories that directly impacted him and the perception of him and his force. Nothing about Campos. Nothing about ideology. Nothing about multiple shooters. Nothing about anything other than “We’re not incompetent and we aren’t covering anything up.”

Damage control because of poor optics. :moo:

 

[Betty P]

Did FBI speak at pc? Was FBI present? I'm wondering if FBI not co-operating and not providing new info to sheriff.??

Yes. They confirmed what sheriff said. Can't recall the rest of what he said, mostly about what they are investigating about Paddock.

 

[Iona]

Sheriff DOES NOT make eye contact with anyone. He's looking down, barely opening his eyes.

I noticed... Good to see you again Bette![emoji847]

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