NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[margarita25]

Local woman shot in Las Vegas wakes up from coma, takes first steps
http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/10/14/...s-vegas-wakes-up-from-coma-takes-first-steps/

 

[MistyWaters]

-I second that, better than my ‘deer in the headlights’

Yes the horrific circumstances oppose the general excited feeling of what receiving an Award usually represents. Had he been beaming with utter happiness, imagine the critique.

 

[ohreally]

Does anyone have a link that was posted to measure as thee crow flies?
I am interested in trying to compare the distance from the edge of the Tropicana property to the rooms the gunman shot from compared to the distance to the tanks. TYIA

 

[x_files]

<modsnip> Vegas is a tourist town and LE isn't in control.
The more I think about I'm positive this is why we aren't hearing anything. Over sensationalizing a mass shooter creates copycats so downplaying could prevent future massacres, but at the same time the victims and their families deserve answers/the truth. I hope the investigation will reveal the truth.

 

[neesaki]

TY TY TY

I am visual

OT

let me put it this way

I am not the person you would want to go on road trip with

unless you are ok with never seeing your loved ones again

I do think it is like a genetic directional dyslexia like issue

my mother is as horrid as I am

it has caused problems in my life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont know guns but I really dont think bullets can travel from MB to Aria cop flat out said shots there

the giles one seems like it could be someone shot at MB and walked to there and was found

but MB to Aria IMO = more than one shooter -- simple moo

I could have sworn I posted a map for those locations, MB, Delagio, Bellagio, and Giles at Ali Baba street. As far as I know it's ok to post a link to a map, I was in a rush so maybe I went to preview and forgot to "post" it. :thinking: One more time:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Del...6745a059c!2m2!1d-115.1700646!2d36.1099696!3e2

 

[MistyWaters]

<snipped for reply>
Someone suggested showing videos of S.P. alone, walking through the hotel with bags. That's a great idea as well.

Some members of the public feel anxious that there could have been more than one shooter. There is anxiety as well as frustration at lack of more information/details.

Some of this is just human nature, in my opinion. We all have questions.

Your suggestion, Vipate. of the release of the video of the hall would show more transparency from the authorities.

Thank you

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

But would it really? It's not that simple. Anyone convinced there was more than one person in the room would conclude SP and the other party entered separately. It's unreasonable for LE or the hotel to release security videos of innocent tourists to prove to the public they belonged on that floor because they had reservations in other rooms. But what if a second terrorist reserved another room so their presence on the 32nd floor wouldn't look suspicious? Or how about on the 28th floor and they used the stairwell up afew flights? I think you can see where this can turn into endless speculation that really goes nowhere except without proof, it cannot be proven.

I don't understand why people want to believe there must have been more than one lunatic? The general profile of SP suggests to me he was not a team player.

 

[JaneEyre]

Does anyone have a link that was posted to measure as thee crow flies?
I am interested in trying to compare the distance from the edge of the Tropicana property to the rooms the gunman shot from compared to the distance to the tanks. TYIA

This is the one I posted.

http://tjpeiffer.com/crowflies.html

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

 

[x_files]

But would it really? It's not that simple. Anyone convinced there was more than one person in the room would conclude SP and the other party entered separately. It's unreasonable for LE or the hotel to release security videos of innocent tourists to prove to the public they belonged on that floor because they had reservations in other rooms. But what if a second terrorist reserved another room so their presence on the 32nd floor wouldn't look suspicious? Or how about on the 28th floor and they used the stairwell up afew flights? I think you can see where this can turn into endless speculation that really goes nowhere except without proof, it cannot be proven.

I don't understand why people want to believe there must have been more than one lunatic? The general profile of SP suggests to me he was not a team player.

Maybe because of the confusion, echo of the bullets and it's scary to think one lone loser could pull this off without help. That may scare people to realize it.

 

[Gooddeeds]

ETA:

-m00c0w, I’m missing the post/poster you are in this *conversation thread with. If you can repair it please do.

Let's try addressing this tidbit from the previous thread again:

*Can you please link to where I have stated or tried to imply that MGM fired him? I was simply pointing out that your accounting of events was extremely at odds with what actually happened.

What you posted was:

No, MGM was "helping" him. Union guys were sent out of the room and MGM took him away. They're the ones who made him vanish.​

The citation you posted to back up this account said:

On Thursday at about 1 p.m., Hickey said he and the union’s local president took a meeting with MGM officials in the bedroom, while Campos, the other union member and a security guard hired by MGM to protect Campos waited in the living room.

At 2 p.m., when Hickey emerged from the meeting, he said Campos and the other people were gone.

Hickey said he called and texted the other union member. The only response he received is that Campos was being taken to a Quick Care health clinic.​

What I am pointing out, and rightly so, is that you unequivocally claimed that MGM was responsible for his disappearance while union reps were sent out of the room. The actuality is that MGM wasn't in the room with him, only a union rep and a security guard, when he disappeared. Union guys weren't "sent out of the room", and MGM didn't "[take] him away." Pointing out this discrepancy is not claiming he's been fired in any way, nor is it trying to claim that the union is up to something nefarious. It's simply correcting the incorrect information being spread.

“MGM officials”.
-Officials? Which one?
A Union Rep? Which one, it doesn’t specify ‘a’ Union. This is how they are protecting their stories. They can come back with ‘oh it was a union rep from China, unrelated to SG/LV/MB that happened to be with me that day’

Why did they “take a meeting” and why wouldn’t SG be present in that meeting with the 2 entities supporting him?

And why did they intentionally describe that the hotel room was being ‘provided to SG’ as having a Living Room and Bedroom? That is a courtroom tactic they flailed at.

Casino officials have said...
MB officials...
MGM officials...
Union officials...
The disguise word here is ‘Officials’ Because it sounds commanding.

But no names is the same as No links here on WS for very good reason. It matters.

Without the official names supporting ‘these officials’ there is nothing to believe.

Where it should read as something like ‘At a scheduled meeting on Thursday Mr. Joe , an official from the MGM was asked————. His response was that after speaking with Mr. Jack, the official from the———’

Union guy says JC ‘was scheduled to do 5 interviews’ We know about Fox being legitimately lined up because we heard and saw that it was officially handled by a named official with names, date and time. Who are the other 4???? Its Word play!

 

[CoolJ]

They do not have video in the hallways at Mandalay Bay - unless you mean the camera SP set up...which I also would like to see

They say they do not have video in the hallways at MBay. I have already provided a link that questions that alleged fact.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Yes the horrific circumstances oppose the general excited feeling of what receiving an Award usually represents. Had he been beaming with utter happiness, imagine the critique.

-Yes! The news coverage of it would be different. Those who pick it up and those who don’t.

 

[CoolJ]

My understanding of the basis of the multiple shooter theory is there is a conspiracy to cover up shooters at other hotel locations and/or snipers chasing people.

The basis for the multiple shooter theory is:

1) eye witness reports
2) dispatch audio
3) acoustic forensics

Shooter at other hotels is a separate incident/theory based on 1 and 2 above

 

[CoolJ]

Do any of you wonderful folks know whether there were cameras in the elevators? I probably missed the post about it and I apologize. Thank you in advance.

Definitely cameras in the elevators and possibly the hallways

 

[x_files]

The basis for the multiple shooter theory is:

1) eye witness reports
2) dispatch audio
3) acoustic forensics

Shooter at other hotels is a separate incident/theory based on 1 and 2 above

look forward to these results.

 

[CoolJ]

But would it really? It's not that simple. Anyone convinced there was more than one person in the room would conclude SP and the other party entered separately. It's unreasonable for LE or the hotel to release security videos of innocent tourists to prove to the public they belonged on that floor because they had reservations in other rooms. But what if a second terrorist reserved another room so their presence on the 32nd floor wouldn't look suspicious? Or how about on the 28th floor and they used the stairwell up afew flights? I think you can see where this can turn into endless speculation that really goes nowhere except without proof, it cannot be proven.

I don't understand why people want to believe there must have been more than one lunatic? The general profile of SP suggests to me he was not a team player.

I don't think anybody WANTS to believe there was more than one.

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe because of the confusion, echo of the bullets and it's scary to think one lone loser could pull this off without help. That may scare people to realize it.

Yes that might explain it. A target of a crowd of 22,000 in an outdoor enclosed area, taken by surprise by one loan shooter nighttime shooter. Perched way above with a huge supply of machine gun-like weapons, prepared by determining distances and velocity, firing for 10 minutes. I think it was miraculous the deaths and serious casualties weren't far greater in number.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't think anybody WANTS to believe there was more than one.

If by everything we know to date indicates one lone gunman could be responsible, why would it be reasonable to conclude there were more who were involved?

In my opinion that road head toward vindicating Paddock.....poor innocent guy, he was set up, the ultimate insinuation of many of the conspiracy theories. I can understand why LE becomes frustrated......what a thankless job it must be in this era of perpetual distrust. JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes that might explain it. A target of a crowd of 22,000 in an outdoor enclosed area, taken by surprise by one loan shooter nighttime shooter. Perched way above with a huge supply of machine gun-like weapons, prepared by determining distances and velocity, firing for 10 minutes. I think it was miraculous the deaths and serious casualties weren't far greater in number.

Some ballistic forensics as it relates to the sound of bullets, and particularly as it relates to different firearms producing different sounds:

http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature Articles/soundofbullets/soundofbullets2.htm

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

<modsnip> We have 2, maybe 3 people we are allowed to hard core investigate. What facts (and links) are in contradiction and who is more reliable? If the photos/videos seem inaccurate ~ are they better fitted into a different timeline that makes more sense?
It is certainly not a "conspiracy" / "non-conspiracy" thing!! It is just all trying to compare and contrast to bring the truth of what really happened about. Because, certainly, if we're honest with ourselves we have all been confused about that up until this point!

 

[bluesneakers]

Definitely cameras in the elevators and possibly the hallways

For sure. Look at the videos we've seen of Elisa Lam, among many others.