NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

[kittythehare]

Looks like our multimillionaire wasn’t so multi after all

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...ock-lost-money-in-2-years-preceding-shooting/

(Snip)

Lombardo told KLAS-TV, Channel 8, that Paddock’s wealth fluctuated because of gambling, real estate transactions and “everything else that he chose to do.” Paddock lost a large amount of money after September 2015, the sheriff said.
Lombardo speculated that the financial losses might have contributed to Paddock’s decision to spray a country music festival with bullets, killing 58 people and injuring more than 500 others.
(snip)


Here is the full 1 hour video interview with Lombardo.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/web-extra-george-knapp-interviews-sheriff-joe-lombardo/849308034

“I actually hope we find something in the pathology of his brain that will help us understand this,” Lombardo said.

That sentence, more than anything else bothered me a lot when I listened to the interview yesterday,
He is perfectly well aware that it is highly unlikely that any such diagnosis will be possible .
The other thing that bothered me was the way he pushed MD under the bus.. as if he was profoundly annoyed at her and he felt it only right that she should be thrown to the media, to be torn apart.

I thought there was a malice in the action.
Everything else was earliest theories we had here as a group but dismissed long ago as being either sufficient or accurate..

This is not a good situation.
I think it would be better if another state agency stepped in and took over the entire investigation.

Sealing files at this stage of the game is both ridiculous and worrying.

 

[komodo]

was just writing the summary points while listening to one hour of the video, and my browser crashed..dont have the nerves to do that again.
I got to agree with him on that point:
-MD had no knowledge, but he personally doesnt believe her

 

[kittythehare]

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...-2k-room-nights-to-shooting-victims-families/

 

[kittythehare]

does anybody else recall hearing a very early interview either with Sher or another LE person https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...apon-in-las-vegas-gunmans-mandalay-bay-suite/.. I do remember it but I dont recall when or where..
It was reported as almost a routine action? (possibly the 60 minutes or slightly before it)
Now its the subject of an investigation

“It happened, and we’re investigating it, just like we do with any officer-involved use of force,” Lombardo told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

 

[kittythehare]

was just writing the summary points while listening to one hour of the video, and my browser crashed..dont have the nerves to do that again.
I got to agree with him on that point:
-MD had no knowledge, but he personally doesnt believe her

Its possible none of us believe her.. But, downright unprofessional of him to discuss his personal feelings about a potential witness in an active investigation.

 

[drama_farmer]

"The top lawman in Las Vegas says the gunman who killed 58 people at a concert last month had lost a significant amount of money in the previous two years and that it may be a “determining factor” in the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Sheriff Joe Lombardo says in an interview with news station KLAS-TV that gunman Stephen Paddock had been losing money and was “going in the wrong direction.” He says the losses triggered “bouts of depression.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/3842900/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-depression/

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Question -- other than the residence in the gated community in Mesquite, NV, is it known if SP owned any other real estate at the time of his death? Iirc he did own revenue property and a 2nd residence (?) in the past but I'm unable to find even one link mentioning current secondary property.

"lost a significant amount of money" isn't quantified but if the net worth of SP was at one time $2+ million and by Oct, 2017 he had nothing much left except the value of his home, that'd be significant for sure.

bbm

I wonder if the $100k he sent to MD in the Phillipines was all of the liquid assets he had left?

 

[bears10]

“I actually hope we find something in the pathology of his brain that will help us understand this,” Lombardo said.

That sentence, more than anything else bothered me a lot when I listened to the interview yesterday,
He is perfectly well aware that it is highly unlikely that any such diagnosis will be possible .
The other thing that bothered me was the way he pushed MD under the bus.. as if he was profoundly annoyed at her and he felt it only right that she should be thrown to the media, to be torn apart.

I thought there was a malice in the action.
Everything else was earliest theories we had here as a group but dismissed long ago as being either sufficient or accurate..

This is not a good situation.
I think it would be better if another state agency stepped in and took over the entire investigation.

Sealing files at this stage of the game is both ridiculous and worrying.

When you say threw MD under the bus, are you referring to when he said something like “she could have done something to prevent this?” I thought that was a horrible thing to say. Unless she encouraged him or knew of his plans and didn’t stop him, I thought that was really wrong. How many people see their loved ones struggle with mental illness? I’d wager many. Most people don’t assume their loved one is going to stockpile guns and shoot up a concert. I think in hindsight it’s really easy to say “if only she stepped in and did something earlier” or whatever, but I don’t think it’s fair. I am sure she wishes that she had a crystal ball a year ago and was able to do something earlier.

Again, that is unless there is more to the story that we don’t know regarding MD. But with the info we’ve been given, I think the comment was out of line.


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[CARIIS]

Its possible none of us believe her.. But, downright unprofessional of him to discuss his personal feelings about a potential witness in an active investigation.

Everything thus far he has stated is ruled only in his beliefs.

There sure has not been one iota of proof about anything he has claimed is fact.

He believes sole shooter

He believes JC hero

He believes MB involved

He believes he had an escape plan.

moo

 

[MistyWaters]

“I actually hope we find something in the pathology of his brain that will help us understand this,” Lombardo said.

That sentence, more than anything else bothered me a lot when I listened to the interview yesterday,
He is perfectly well aware that it is highly unlikely that any such diagnosis will be possible .
.

I don't think he was necessarily referring to diagnosis of a mental illness.

At 64 years of age, the onset of dementia is a real possibility. It causes cognitive impairment specifically memory difficulties and changes in thinking through to the possibility of depression, delusions and psychosis. Vascular dementia can be caused by a series of minor strokes. A study of the brain would be able to determine if any deterioration of his brain existed.

Dementia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia

 

[JaneEyre]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...s-blackout-on-shooting-story-with-scoops/amp/

-Snipped:

“As if the Las Vegas shooting story needed to become even more Delphic, the Country Music Awards issued guidelines this week threatening to revoke the credentials – ‘via security escort’ no less – of any journalist who asks about the shooting, gun rights or politics at the Nov. 8 Country Music Awards in Nashville”

That draconian edict comes nearly five weeks after the massacre, when many of the basic facts of the case remain a mystery. The timeline of the attack is still in dispute. So is the whereabouts of key witness Jesus Campos, the Mandalay Bay security guard who was shot either before or during the massacre, depending on who you believe.

After suddenly vanishing last month, Campos re-emerged on NBC’s Ellen for a short, oddly staged interview that was uncomfortable to watch and offered no new insights on the case. Campos has yet to answer a single question from a journalist. He is reportedly in hiding at a location owned by Mandalay Bay’s parent company, MGM Resorts International.

There’s more to this than just a missing security guard. Listen to J. Keith Moyer, editor of the city’s hometown paper, the Las Vegas Review-Journal (RJ): “We’ve had three different scenarios as far as the timeline goes. I really don’t know whether we’ve got the right one yet. We’ve asked for 911 tapes and autopsy records — they aren’t giving them to us. There are no regular briefings. The authorities have pretty much clammed up.’

This edict has been rescinded after the CMAs received backlash from some of the more liberal artists like Brad Paisley.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture...a-restrictions-awards-show-apologizes-n817316

Still, I'm just going to address the part about the CMA edict, because it's something I feel I can speak to, as I interned in the country music industry as an undergrad years ago and lived in Nashville. I also followed what happened with the Dixie Chicks years ago quite closely, and the attempt to "Dixie Chick" Dolly Parton recently after her appearance on an awards show with Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda.

This edict by the CMAs does not surprise me. The country music industry caters to a largely conservative fan base. And even those whose politics are not completely conservative tend to love their guns. The CMAs are trying to avoid the kind of controversy that exploded after Dolly Parton appeared with Tomlin and Fonda, who criticized Trump on the stage that evening.

As we've seen recently, many awards shows have ended up being the site of major political statements from artists. The CMAs are trying to avoid an inevitable backlash that will come if gun rights or other politics take over the headlines for the night. It likely will.

Even allowing Beyonce to perform with the Dixie Chicks last year on the CMAs created a firestorm. People threatened to never support the CMAs again. Even though, IIRC, that performance was not political, country music fans connect Beyonce to the political, and there was a backlash anyway.

Thr prospect that this year's CMAs might get political actually makes me more likely to watch the show, when I haven't in probably 20 years. Recently, some country stars have encouraged others to finally step up and speak about gun control (see Roseanne Cash, for one). This is a topic that the more liberal artists have avoided for fear of being "Dixie Chicked" by fans and the industry.

I think there's nothing more to the CMA decision than that. The CMAs fear that some artists will answer Cash's call in light of the shooting.

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[CARIIS]

does anybody else recall hearing a very early interview either with Sher or another LE person https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...apon-in-las-vegas-gunmans-mandalay-bay-suite/.. I do remember it but I dont recall when or where..
It was reported as almost a routine action? (possibly the 60 minutes or slightly before it)
Now its the subject of an investigation

“It happened, and we’re investigating it, just like we do with any officer-involved use of force,” Lombardo told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

He is supposed to be investigating the shooting

He claimed he was looking into the alleged leak of pics

Respectfully guys -- this is not an investigation -- it is a coverup -- and the FBI is leading the coverup.

Speculating --the public can not know he was
was undercover, operating stings, as it relates to black arms sales -- to terror organizations.

I think the planes and expired flying license fit in several years ago..

I think he got nailed dealing arms for his own profit at first , got nailed, and the deal was he would work pulling stings.

IMO, the Janet Air operation across the street fits into the whole operation

This is pure speculation , but if ya pause it explains much

Any yes speculating , the hotel , was aware of what was going on (possibly paid ) .

From the beginning the service elevators -- as a bonus is so far out there . What person on vacation wants to use the service elevators?

That is just so far idiotic - it like saying as a bonus we give our guests a motorcycle instead of a Rolls ROyce!

As a bonus our high flyers get Salisbury steaks instead of prime rib

We give our special guests boxed wine!

Our special guests get to vacuum there own rooms


Our special guests get powdered eggs as opposed to gourmet omelettes .

Who on earth looks at riding in the dump elevators is a thank you for your patronage!!

These are casinos - there are billions of bucks on property - what hotel is issuing some guest a key card allowing access to parts of the facility that the public do not have access to?

I wish someone would speculate on why in suicidal person would set up cameras ??

If delusional maybe

These were not snipers?? --hitting a small aviation gas tank dead center in the dark is a skilled shooter IMO.

A highly skilled shooter imo

highly skilled!

No above ground damage skilled folks lower to the ground.

If one suspends current belief systems , and plug in something similiar to what I am speculating much becomes clearer.

Placing armed guards at JC place makes more sense too -- they are dealing with very dangerous folks.

They hid JC instantly - from minute one --at that point to protect a hero from what? A hug!

However , bad guys in the room leaving the room with a hard drive on them certainly fits more

It also explains (hotel aware at high levels) the delay in calling the cops.

The story has been framed like the only way LE would know that there was a machine gun deal going on defies logic.

No One at the hotel needs a call to be informed that a LOUD shooting, people running and screaming all over the place needs a call to 911 to start action.

If a person was found in a room with their neck cut -- that would ring congruent.

IMO speculating -- there is a very active cover-up in process and working.

It certainly is not an investigation seeking the truth

The abovemention notions generally address

time line nonsense

JC guarded

The service elevators

the drip drip of info

we know more about NY yesterday than this

We need to open our eyes that they are covering our eyes...........

 

[JaneEyre]

When you say threw MD under the bus, are you referring to when he said something like “she could have done something to prevent this?” I thought that was a horrible thing to say. Unless she encouraged him or knew of his plans and didn’t stop him, I thought that was really wrong. How many people see their loved ones struggle with mental illness? I’d wager many. Most people don’t assume their loved one is going to stockpile guns and shoot up a concert. I think in hindsight it’s really easy to say “if only she stepped in and did something earlier” or whatever, but I don’t think it’s fair. I am sure she wishes that she had a crystal ball a year ago and was able to do something earlier.

Again, that is unless there is more to the story that we don’t know regarding MD. But with the info we’ve been given, I think the comment was out of line.


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But women, who are more likely to lack power in all areas of their existence, including their relationships, are somehow supposed to recognize and stop bad behavior of the men around them, whether it's their sons or husbands. It's a familiar trope. I also viewed his comments with disdain, to say the least.

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[ohreally]

Earlier reports were that SP did not have money problems. Reports Also indicate that he still owned at least two homes that he paid cash for. He sent MD $100, 000. Reports indicate in his last days he was playing $10,000 and $20,000 sessions and that he paid off those markers IIRC.
The latest report is that he was loosing large sums of money.
I think it is possible that he still had plenty of money at his disposal, but was loosing it rapidly without any significant wins
Did the wins mean more to him than the money?

 

[x_files]

[h=1]Why trust anything Sheriff Lombardo or MGM Resorts International say[/h]
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...y/2017/10/30&usg=AOvVaw3CdeNmr0DdP-zzmrwHpV8q

Sheriff Lombardo's credibility is shot. Nothing adds up.

 

[CARIIS]

Looks like our multimillionaire wasn’t so multi after all

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...ock-lost-money-in-2-years-preceding-shooting/

(Snip)

Lombardo told KLAS-TV, Channel 8, that Paddock’s wealth fluctuated because of gambling, real estate transactions and “everything else that he chose to do.” Paddock lost a large amount of money after September 2015, the sheriff said.
Lombardo speculated that the financial losses might have contributed to Paddock’s decision to spray a country music festival with bullets, killing 58 people and injuring more than 500 others.
(snip)


Here is the full 1 hour video interview with Lombardo.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/web-extra-george-knapp-interviews-sheriff-joe-lombardo/849308034

I never bought this millionaire stuff - its origins were from the brother standing in
front of his lower middle class home, next to bland cars, while progressing they all are affluent while Stephen is shipping a walker to him millionaire mother,

What little I have learned about gambling is yeh some real sharp card players can make some real money.

Playing computerized video games , which is playing against the house (are you impressed that i Knew that term huh huh pretty impressive huh! Ha) is not just not how it works.

What organization is gonna perk someone who is taking "millions" from them.

That is like giving bank robbers a lower interest rate!

The gambling thing speculating here, was a perfect cover - for dealing arms.

The brothers fantasy that brother was a genus all along was just that. IMO

The facts: he did some bookkeeping, and carried mail IIRC.

A bunch of family members rounded up some money and obtained a really dumpy apt complex a decade and a half ago!

We also must not forget that the FBI is investigating our Sheriff and dept.

All of this is only speculation and mo

From link ealeir
inept police investigation that couldn’t even get simple facts nailed down from the start.

FBI had to re-interview Campos

Same with the house

investigation was being handled by the Force Investigation Team and not homicide.

once a cop gets elected sheriff he is no longer a cop, but a politician. Politicians have their own agenda

Lombardo released nothing

procedural issues in the LVMPD dispatch center, not all information was communicated accurately and in a timely manner.

The one thing that bothered me was when they said right after the shooting they found no connection with Paddock to any groups. The FBI is good however they are not that good to make a statement like that so fast.

http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/trust-anything-sheriff-lombardo-mgm-resorts-international-say/2017/10/30

 

[x_files]

I never bought this millionaire stuff - its origins were from the brother standing in
front of his lower middle class home, next to bland cars, while progressing they all are affluent while Stephen is shipping a walker to him millionaire mother,

What little I have learned about gambling is yeh some real sharp card players can make some real money.

Playing computerized video games , which is playing against the house (are you impressed that i Knew that term huh huh pretty impressive huh! Ha) is not just not how it works.

What organization is gonna perk someone who is taking "millions" from them.

That is like giving bank robbers a lower interest rate!

The gambling thing speculating here, was a perfect cover - for dealing arms.

The brothers fantasy that brother was a genus all along was just that. IMO

The facts: he did some bookkeeping, and carried mail IIRC.

A bunch of family members rounded up some money and obtained a really dumpy apt complex a decade and a half ago!

We also must not forget that the FBI is investigating our Sheriff and dept.

All of this is only speculation and mo

From link ealeir
inept police investigation that couldn’t even get simple facts nailed down from the start.

FBI had to re-interview Campos

Same with the house

investigation was being handled by the Force Investigation Team and not homicide.

once a cop gets elected sheriff he is no longer a cop, but a politician. Politicians have their own agenda

Lombardo released nothing

procedural issues in the LVMPD dispatch center, not all information was communicated accurately and in a timely manner.

The one thing that bothered me was when they said right after the shooting they found no connection with Paddock to any groups. The FBI is good however they are not that good to make a statement like that so fast.

http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/trust-anything-sheriff-lombardo-mgm-resorts-international-say/2017/10/30

A lot doesn't add up. Even the FBI makes mistakes, but this stinks as a cover-up to protect corporate interest first and foremost.

 

[CARIIS]

A lot doesn't add up. Even the FBI makes mistakes, but this stinks as a cover-up to protect corporate interest first and foremost.

It is interesting that is for sure. I go much more covert intel coverup (arms sales/black market/terror etc)

what entity has the power to make anyone involved non existent online??

Anyone involved has vanished on line !

The valet had linked in and poof!!

 

[CARIIS]

While Paddock’s apparent wealth makes him atypical of mass shooters, “he was also a prolific gambler, so it would not surprise me at all to learn that he recently suffered a significant financial loss,” Medfis said. “That said, mass killers do not just ‘snap.’”



http://time.com/money/4969462/las-ve...l-estate-guns/


apparent wealth >>He has a house? Why does this wealthy stuff keep rolling along?

A multi millionaire !

He still owed $270 in court fees

when he supposedly died!!

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooter-gambled-least-160k-recent-weeks-n807191

 

[MistyWaters]

Earlier reports were that SP did not have money problems. Reports Also indicate that he still owned at least two homes that he paid cash for. He sent MD $100, 000. Reports indicate in his last days he was playing $10,000 and $20,000 sessions and that he made off those markers IIRC.
The latest report is that he was loosing large sums of money.
I think it is possible that he still had plenty of money at his disposal, but was loosing it rapidly without any significant wins
Did the wins mean more to him than the money?

I think wins and money are like the chicken and the egg because SP didn't have an outside source of secure income. If ones entire identity is gambling and maintaining the status of a high roller, if he was not winning then he was losing money. Betting $250 a hand at video poker and frequently played for long hours at a time requires a large amount of disposable cash in order to win. If he was at the point of having gradually lost all the proceeds from real estate sales over the past two years, the facade that he was a multi-millionaire and a successful Professional Gambler was at its end.

Even though he originally bought the two properties with cash, we don't know if he later borrowed on the equity.

One thing I wonder about regarding reports that he used MDs players card, was it because in those final days he'd drained his own bank account?

 

[ohreally]

I never bought this millionaire stuff - its origins were from the brother standing in
front of his lower middle class home, next to bland cars, while progressing they all are affluent while Stephen is shipping a walker to him millionaire mother,

What little I have learned about gambling is yeh some real sharp card players can make some real money.

Playing computerized video games , which is playing against the house (are you impressed that i Knew that term huh huh pretty impressive huh! Ha) is not just not how it works.

What organization is gonna perk someone who is taking "millions" from them.

That is like giving bank robbers a lower interest rate!

The gambling thing speculating here, was a perfect cover - for dealing arms.

The brothers fantasy that brother was a genus all along was just that. IMO

The facts: he did some bookkeeping, and carried mail IIRC.

A bunch of family members rounded up some money and obtained a really dumpy apt complex a decade and a half ago!

We also must not forget that the FBI is investigating our Sheriff and dept.

All of this is only speculation and mo

From link ealeir
inept police investigation that couldn’t even get simple facts nailed down from the start.

FBI had to re-interview Campos

Same with the house

investigation was being handled by the Force Investigation Team and not homicide.

once a cop gets elected sheriff he is no longer a cop, but a politician. Politicians have their own agenda

Lombardo released nothing

procedural issues in the LVMPD dispatch center, not all information was communicated accurately and in a timely manner.

The one thing that bothered me was when they said right after the shooting they found no connection with Paddock to any groups. The FBI is good however they are not that good to make a statement like that so fast.

http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/trust-anything-sheriff-lombardo-mgm-resorts-international-say/2017/10/30

Comps serve a purpose for casinos. To bring the player back to their casino to play. The player may be winning against the house, but the odds are in the casinos favor that at some point the player is going to loose the winning. The house wants that player back. The better the comp the more likely the player will be to come back to that house and loose their winnings than going to another casino and playing.
There is money to be won on the machines, especially the progressive machines. I posted a link earlier of the biggest progressive jackpots won in Vegas. The highest being 34 million dollars. Many winners of a millon dollars or more.