NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

[MistyWaters]

A lot doesn't add up. Even the FBI makes mistakes, but this stinks as a cover-up to protect corporate interest first and foremost.

What "corporate interests" were protected? It is known that 58 people tragically lost their lives and more than 500 injured at the hands of a lunatic who shot at a crowd attending a festival from the 32nd floor of a nearby hotel. What do you think is being covered up?

 

[komodo]

Ok, these are the points sheriff made in part 2 of the interview: (my summary of part 1 is lost somewhere in cyberspace)


-forensics of SP's computers shows he researched police tactics
-accidental discharge of firearm in the hotel room during explosive breach of the second door (to the adjoining room that was used for shooting at fuel tanks)
-over 1000 rounds fired, more than 4000 rounds in the room
-CTs denied, not investigated (helicopter shooters, etc)
-no radicalization, no affiliation to terrorist organization found
-no political affilitation, only one statement found regarding this: "I (SP) am happy with Trump, because stock market is doing well"
-no conspiracy between LVPD and MGM
-understands frustration because of lack of motive, hopes autopsy will find something
-MGM did not bankroll Sheriffs last campaign, they actually supported the other candidate (also confirms MGM did donate in previous campaign)
-would do the same as JC, who sequestered from the media with the help of MGM
-hard drive was missing from one of the computers in the room (could be removed anytime, does not know when)
-video surveillance 90-95% evaluated (terabytes of information), still ongoing, on it SP wasn't seen in presence of any other individual
-food order to the hotel room was for two persons, SP was alone, probably likes to eat
-clip of presser shown where Laura Loomer is aggressively questioning the Sheriff, says this is unacceptable behaviour
-leak (crime scene photos) still being investigated internally and with FBI, probably won't be solved due to other priorities
-personal story (where he got the news about the shooting and everything that followed, 2 hours of sleep in first week)
-58 dead (one was LVPD officer), 564 injured (5 still in hospiral), some of injured will have lifetime injuries
-LVPD did a fantastic job, injured officers want to go back to work
-LV must come together as a community
-does not enjoy publicity, is just a face of a tragic event
-will do anything to prevent such future events,
-funding of LVPD disscussed on federal level, government did help monetarily (overtime hours etc.)
-important to move on with lives, not to give in


Thats about it, regarding the more important points, maybe I let something out, mostly about the community at the end of the interview

 

[Deleted member 158085]

While Paddock’s apparent wealth makes him atypical of mass shooters, “he was also a prolific gambler, so it would not surprise me at all to learn that he recently suffered a significant financial loss,” Medfis said. “That said, mass killers do not just ‘snap.’”



http://time.com/money/4969462/las-ve...l-estate-guns/


apparent wealth >>He has a house? Why does this wealthy stuff keep rolling along?

A multi millionaire !

He still owed $270 in court fees

when he supposedly died!!

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooter-gambled-least-160k-recent-weeks-n807191

I wish they would elaborate more on the statement that mass killers do not just snap. I'm sure someone here can school me on this. I generally don't follow mass killings closely. But I had the sense that several mass killers had, in fact, just snapped. The difference between them and Paddock in my mind is that we usually know more about why they snapped, and have more information about how they devolved to that point.

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[MistyWaters]

Comps serve a purpose for casinos. To bring the player back to their casino to play. The player may be winning against the house, but the odds are in the casinos favor that at some point the player is going to loose the winning. The house wants that player back. The better the comp the more likely the player will be to come back to that house and loose their winnings than going to another casino and playing.
There is money to be won on the machines, especially the progressive machines. I posted a link earlier of the biggest progressive jackpots won in Vegas. The highest being 34 million dollars. Many winners of a millon dollars or more.

I wonder if jackpot winners at casinos fair any better than lottery winners. Probably not, considering the lure of comps (ie status).

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/25/heres-why-lottery-winners-go-broke.html

 

[kittythehare]

A lot doesn't add up. Even the FBI makes mistakes, but this stinks as a cover-up to protect corporate interest first and foremost.

A girl posted here yesterday about that and I was reading it and asking myself if I believed it.. and I dont know that I do..

But I have no education on how that might work at a local level.
Its a big business and a lucrative business but its a crass dirty business as well so probably does not draw nice people to it.
Its very disturbing though..all of it- people were cast into a profound state of cognitive dissonance and a lot of the reasons for that are because terrorist events are actually managed very well and very efficiently.
But we have become accustomed to terror, we know what it is and what it does and its always shocking but rarely surprising, and its a process.
This was not a terror attack, it does not appear to have been a turf war attack either and whereas it could have been one over controlling sociopath with a childhood destroyed by police chip on his shoulder and revenge rage or mere psychoses on his mind...
its not being managed as a lone mentally deranged white man with guns goes nuts saga..

Theres all kinds of bits of the jigsaw out of the box all over the place and they wont fit because they cannot fit because they are not meant to fit.
sometimes one can find the big picture from micro analysing the smallest element..
that food trolley should have been moved by hotel staff.
It was not.. did JC not think it odd when he saw it or did he get shot as he saw it?
Why did they even mention the missing hard drive?
why throw something like that at a bewildered world..?
What are we supposed to do with it?

Theres a whole mega sense that nobody is taking responsibility for anything.
58 people just had their lives robbed, another several hundred experienced physical violence, some severe injuries and nobody can tell them why this happened.

MSM is more annoyed than I ever saw them. it might lead to a good investigation.
Article from Forbes last night did not hold back.
Its a terrible shame it has taken so long.

 

[MistyWaters]

I wish they would elaborate more on the statement that mass killers do not just snap. I'm sure someone here can school me on this. I generally don't follow mass killings closely. But I had the sense that several mass killers had, in fact, just snapped. The difference between them and Paddock in my mind is that we usually know more about why they snapped, and have more information about how they devolved to that point.

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Just my belief but I don't think it's possible for ANY mass killer to "just snap" and commit such an act without at least a significant amount of imagining the scenario in advance.

"Just snapped" is a common defence tactic used to avoid first degree murder charges that are based on the element of premeditation.

 

[ohreally]

I think wins and money are like the chicken and the egg because SP didn't have an outside source of secure income. If ones entire identity is gambling and maintaining the status of a high roller, if he was not winning then he was losing money. Betting $250 a hand at video poker and frequently played for long hours at a time requires a large amount of disposable cash in order to win. If he was at the point of having gradually lost all the proceeds from real estate sales over the past two years, the facade that he was a multi-millionaire and a successful Professional Gambler was at its end.

Even though he originally bought the two properties with cash, we don't know if he later borrowed on the equity.

One thing I wonder about regarding reports that he used MDs players card, was it because in those final days he'd drained his own bank account?

I agree that we don't know if he later took out loans against the houses. I do think that if he did a reporter would of found the loans, but we just don't know.
It is my belief (my opinion could change tomorrow) that his assets were dwindling, but that he still had money available to him.
I am not very good at explaining myself. He was one that loved the attention and perks he got from being the small whale. When he started loosing those perks probably decreased. He went from a player that was comped a whole floor (if it is true) to a player that was comped a regular room for three nights and had to pay for the 4th night in the suite. How much if any did this effect him if any?
From my experience I don't think he could of used MD's card for anything. I think that he may of added MD to his reservation the last night because he needed an excuse to have two rooms. He may of showed them her players ID when adding her to the room.

 

[kittythehare]

I don't think he was necessarily referring to diagnosis of a mental illness.

At 64 years of age, the onset of dementia is a real possibility. It causes cognitive impairment specifically memory difficulties and changes in thinking through to the possibility of depression, delusions and psychosis. Vascular dementia can be caused by a series of minor strokes. A study of the brain would be able to determine if any deterioration of his brain existed.

Dementia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia

Most of what you mentioned would be viewable on cross section, microscopic.
But a bullet has allegedly passed through that brain already..
I do not know what angle he held the gun that killed him, if that is what killed him.. but its likely to have made a mess.
that brain left about a week ago, did it not? Its well analysed by now..
Wheres his toxicology screen?
What drugs were in his system?
What about his other organs?
what was in the bladder? Stomach contents?

The only thing that would make sense now would be if they suspected an extra terrestrial brain and not a human brain..

Was SP even SP?

 

[kittythehare]

I agree that we don't know if he later took out loans against the houses. I do think that if he did a reporter would of found the loans, but we just don't know.
It is my belief (my opinion could change tomorrow) that his assets were dwindling, but that he still had money available to him.
I am not very good at explaining myself. He was one that loved the attention and perks he got from being the small whale. When he started loosing those perks probably decreased. He went from a player that was comped a whole floor (if it is true) to a player that was comped a regular room for three nights and had to pay for the 4th night in the suite. How much if any did this effect him if any?
From my experience I don't think he could of used MD's card for anything. I think that he may of added MD to his reservation the last night because he needed an excuse to have two rooms. He may of showed them her players ID when adding her to the room.

I agree with you. Heavily losing theme could just mean he owned $100 mill and in past year he lost 1 mill.. which would be a heavy loss to somebody less financially well off but would mean very little to him.
Also because he worked as he did ( word lost) I'm not even sure he did lose..
Theres a possibility he had some degenerative condition that affected his calculations but he certainly knew how to calculate an effective massive killing spree.
But was all over the shop in terms of hitting the tanks.. very poorly researched.

 

[CARIIS]

Most of what you mentioned would be viewable on cross section, microscopic.
But a bullet has allegedly passed through that brain already..
I do not know what angle he held the gun that killed him, if that is what killed him.. but its likely to have made a mess.
that brain left about a week ago, did it not? Its well analysed by now..
Wheres his toxicology screen?
What drugs were in his system?
What about his other organs?
what was in the bladder? Stomach contents?

The only thing that would make sense now would be if they suspected an extra terrestrial brain and not a human brain..

Was SP even SP?

The only thing we have proof of is the Sheriff provides wrong info !!

thats pretty much it

you guys are awesome with the finding properties and stuff on other threads -- I dont think anyone has found much that owns at the time of his death?

In a real investigation - he is dead --public knowing based on casino records what his real dealings with the casinos were

you guys who are good at that have found no planes in his name

if you go back and erase brothers crazy stuff

our profile would be a bookkeeper, a mailman and a dump apt complex 20 years ago .
and 20 years of unknown income streams

You guys are good at that -- anyone really found the sale of the dump property for what like 3 million divided by 5 family members, after taxes, decades ago pretty well equals noting.

I think the fake intial checkin date was done hopefully to get around the mysterious trip to Phoenix where he flies out there - rents a car -- and comes back.

If they started the timeline (like they tried to) on the 28 maybe the mysterious road trip would have stayed buried!!

 

[MistyWaters]

Most of what you mentioned would be viewable on cross section, microscopic.
But a bullet has allegedly passed through that brain already..
I do not know what angle he held the gun that killed him, if that is what killed him.. but its likely to have made a mess.
that brain left about a week ago, did it not? Its well analysed by now..
Wheres his toxicology screen?
What drugs were in his system?
What about his other organs?
what was in the bladder? Stomach contents?

The only thing that would make sense now would be if they suspected an extra terrestrial brain and not a human brain..

Was SP even SP?

It was likely to have made a mess?

I have no idea what you're insinuating. I've read nothing to suggest his entire head exploded.

"Was SP even SP?"

How would you go about proving ANYTHING about the identity or actions of someone who is a complete stranger to you?

 

[CARIIS]

I wish they would elaborate more on the statement that mass killers do not just snap. I'm sure someone here can school me on this. I generally don't follow mass killings closely. But I had the sense that several mass killers had, in fact, just snapped. The difference between them and Paddock in my mind is that we usually know more about why they snapped, and have more information about how they devolved to that point.

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Typically the term snap is used by the media but is actually inline with a psychotic break with reality as a result of a psychosis.

Or

a delusional disorder wherein the person believes he /she is god or being followed or the cia is after them etc -- prompting there perceived notion that they must kill all the spies outside at the concert that are there to come kill him -- that kind of thing

there are similar myths out there about suicide. That it is an impulsive act. Rarely - unless we are back into the realm to losing touch with reality, (I am going to meet Jesus or thoughts along that line.

Suicide is typically a long battle not to as opposed to an impulsive act.

When one has concerns about a pt being suicidal you ask.

You would be amazed , when they are at real high risk of attempting , the answers you will get.

If you get a real generalized answer (I would take some pills- as opposed to I have 65 tablets of XXXX in medicine cabinet - that's different.

When asked where they would do it if they say not sure that is different than I would
get into bed thats a totally different answer

If you get reasonable answers regarding what has so far preventing you from attempting that is important data.

If you ask what time of day it would be and you get answer that is significant.

If you get mention of I gave my music collection away -- that too is significant

If they say they will shoot themselves you explore - do they have access to a gun.

If you ask how they think loved ones would feel and you get a detailed answer that is significant info

On the the other hand if you get the wont give a X that is different info.

Will updated?

etc etc



etc etc

Thus far we have no indications that he was actively psychotic - that certainly does not rule out other mental illness issues -- but that is why I mentioned it as it relates to the sheriffs idiotic statements regarding looking for a trigger.

Not how it works you idiot!

Go back in your memory in many many there is very very long periods of time in the planning phase.

Actually right off my head the only three that come to mind are the planned parenting shooting and the congresswoman attack that were like instant.

Both were actively psychotic.

Planned parenthood was also suffering with delusions - he was saving kids or something along those lines.

Virginia Tech Cho was actively psychotic at the time.

Holmes was delusional - he was the Joker.

Rogers wrote a book about it before he did it .

Columbine kids endless pages of writings.

Dylan had many writings.

The NY had like what 90 videos?

Boston guys had lots of stuff.

Omar had one night of looking at ISIS stuff
while at the same time that week had an entire evening of searching for antipsychotic meds

Just mo from what little we know if reliable he might have suffered with a mood disorder and certainly was personality
disordered.

But at a very quiet level we have to remember that dad mysteriously, got caught , plead no contest, and also served no time

Paddock , if there is any accuracy to my speculation that he got caught gun running years ago and to avoid jail turned undercover regarding gun running -- he would have familiarity that it did keep his dad from incarnation and gave him another 8 years as a freeman

and what does dad start a gambling entity

all of it reeks of going undercover , going wrong, and intel agencies can not have the operation out in the public domain

It might interrupt other operations.

imo

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

It was likely to have made a mess?

I have no idea what you're insinuating. I've read nothing to suggest his entire head exploded.

"Was SP even SP?"

How would you go about proving ANYTHING about the identity or actions of someone who is a complete stranger to you?

IMO many people are going by his earlobes.
The myth is that earlobes are either Attached or Detached.
The earlobes on the body are not the same as the earlobes in the photos posted of SP prior to death.
That much I agree with, but I won't try and explain why.
There are many reasons from the angle the photo was taken to earlobe surgery, to explain why they do not look the same.
https://udel.edu/~mcdonald/mythearlobe.html

MOO

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[Pamela_Brewer]

Typically the term snap is used by the media but is actually inline with a psychotic break with reality as a result of a psychosis.

Or

a delusional disorder wherein the person believes he /she is god or being followed or the cia is after them etc -- prompting there perceived notion that they must kill all the spies outside at the concert that are there to come kill him -- that kind of thing

there are similar myths out there about suicide. That it is an impulsive act. Rarely - unless we are back into the realm to losing touch with reality, (I am going to meet Jesus or thoughts along that line.

Suicide is typically a long battle not to as opposed to an impulsive act.

When one has concerns about a pt being suicidal you ask.

You would be amazed , when they are at real high risk of attempting , the answers you will get.

If you get a real generalized answer (I would take some pills- as opposed to I have 65 tablets of XXXX in medicine cabinet - that's different.

When asked where they would do it if they say not sure that is different than I would
get into bed thats a totally different answer

If you get reasonable answers regarding what has so far preventing you from attempting that is important data.

If you ask what time of day it would be and you get answer that is significant.

If you get mention of I gave my music collection away -- that too is significant

If they say they will shoot themselves you explore - do they have access to a gun.

If you ask how they think loved ones would feel and you get a detailed answer that is significant info

On the the other hand if you get the wont give a X that is different info.

Will updated?

etc etc



etc etc

Thus far we have no indications that he was actively psychotic - that certainly does not rule out other mental illness issues -- but that is why I mentioned it as it relates to the sheriffs idiotic statements regarding looking for a trigger.

Not how it works you idiot!

Go back in your memory in many many there is very very long periods of time in the planning phase.

Actually right off my head the only three that come to mind are the planned parenting shooting and the congresswoman attack that were like instant.

Both were actively psychotic.

Planned parenthood was also suffering with delusions - he was saving kids or something along those lines.

Virginia Tech Cho was actively psychotic at the time.

Holmes was delusional - he was the Joker.

Rogers wrote a book about it before he did it .

Columbine kids endless pages of writings.

Dylan had many writings.

The NY had like what 90 videos?

Boston guys had lots of stuff.

Omar had one night of looking at ISIS stuff
while at the same time that week had an entire evening of searching for antipsychotic meds

Just mo from what little we know if reliable he might have suffered with a mood disorder and certainly was personality
disordered.

But at a very quiet level we have to remember that dad mysteriously, got caught , plead no contest, and also served no time

Paddock , if there is any accuracy to my speculation that he got caught gun running years ago and to avoid jail turned undercover regarding gun running -- he would have familiarity that it did keep his dad from incarnation and gave him another 8 years as a freeman

and what does dad start a gambling entity

all of it reeks of going undercover , going wrong, and intel agencies can not have the operation out in the public domain

It might interrupt other operations.

imo

His brother did the same to avoid being caught.
EVIL SMART was the term used. It seems both brothers and the father all operate the same.

"The brother of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock used 'evil smart' tactics to avoid authorities before being arrested for child *advertiser censored*"

"Bruce Paddock, 58, was on the run for more than two years before his arrest on Wednesday, reported*TMZ. He allegedly would change his appearance and would move often to avoid police."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5027635/Vegas-shooter-s-brother-avoided-cops-years.html

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Typically the term snap is used by the media but is actually inline with a psychotic break with reality as a result of a psychosis.

Or

a delusional disorder wherein the person believes he /she is god or being followed or the cia is after them etc -- prompting there perceived notion that they must kill all the spies outside at the concert that are there to come kill him -- that kind of thing

there are similar myths out there about suicide. That it is an impulsive act. Rarely - unless we are back into the realm to losing touch with reality, (I am going to meet Jesus or thoughts along that line.

Suicide is typically a long battle not to as opposed to an impulsive act.

When one has concerns about a pt being suicidal you ask.

You would be amazed , when they are at real high risk of attempting , the answers you will get.

If you get a real generalized answer (I would take some pills- as opposed to I have 65 tablets of XXXX in medicine cabinet - that's different.

When asked where they would do it if they say not sure that is different than I would
get into bed thats a totally different answer

If you get reasonable answers regarding what has so far preventing you from attempting that is important data.

If you ask what time of day it would be and you get answer that is significant.

If you get mention of I gave my music collection away -- that too is significant

If they say they will shoot themselves you explore - do they have access to a gun.

If you ask how they think loved ones would feel and you get a detailed answer that is significant info

On the the other hand if you get the wont give a X that is different info.

Will updated?

etc etc



etc etc

Thus far we have no indications that he was actively psychotic - that certainly does not rule out other mental illness issues -- but that is why I mentioned it as it relates to the sheriffs idiotic statements regarding looking for a trigger.

Not how it works you idiot!

Go back in your memory in many many there is very very long periods of time in the planning phase.

Actually right off my head the only three that come to mind are the planned parenting shooting and the congresswoman attack that were like instant.

Both were actively psychotic.

Planned parenthood was also suffering with delusions - he was saving kids or something along those lines.

Virginia Tech Cho was actively psychotic at the time.

Holmes was delusional - he was the Joker.

Rogers wrote a book about it before he did it .

Columbine kids endless pages of writings.

Dylan had many writings.

The NY had like what 90 videos?

Boston guys had lots of stuff.

Omar had one night of looking at ISIS stuff
while at the same time that week had an entire evening of searching for antipsychotic meds

Just mo from what little we know if reliable he might have suffered with a mood disorder and certainly was personality
disordered.

But at a very quiet level we have to remember that dad mysteriously, got caught , plead no contest, and also served no time

Paddock , if there is any accuracy to my speculation that he got caught gun running years ago and to avoid jail turned undercover regarding gun running -- he would have familiarity that it did keep his dad from incarnation and gave him another 8 years as a freeman

and what does dad start a gambling entity

all of it reeks of going undercover , going wrong, and intel agencies can not have the operation out in the public domain

It might interrupt other operations.

imo

Dallas? I didn't look into it much after the first few days. But I had "snapped" in my head for that one, too (as well as the list you provided).

And yes, it probably matters a great deal what the background of the term is that we are relying on. It has come to mean different things to different people, partly because of how it is reported on.

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[Deleted member 158085]

IMO many people are going by his earlobes.
The myth is that earlobes are either Attached or Detached.
The earlobes on the body are not the same as the earlobes in the photos posted of SP prior to death.
That much I agree with, but I won't try and explain why.
There are many reasons from the angle the photo was taken to earlobe surgery, to explain why they do not look the same.
https://udel.edu/~mcdonald/mythearlobe.html

MOO

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Well, I'm lost. So people are suggesting SP wasn't really SP based on earlobe analysis of photos?

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[Pamela_Brewer]

Well, I'm lost. So people are suggesting SP wasn't really SP based on earlobe analysis of photos?

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That is what I have read on twitter and other sites.
They are saying it can't be the same person.
Add that in with no CCTV footage of him and CT go wild!
MOO

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[MistyWaters]

CARIS wrote (my reply is to this one point)
"Paddock , if there is any accuracy to my speculation that he got caught gun running years ago and to avoid jail turned undercover regarding gun running -- he would have familiarity that it did keep his dad from incarnation and gave him another 8 years as a freeman."

*******

Can someone help me understand even one factual piece of information that places SP as an undercover anything?

The reason for my question, I notice the common element in virtually EVERY conspiracy theory going back decades is that the perpetrator was but an innocent pawn who needed to be eliminated because he was aware of critical government information or for some reason or another. The same theme has been run so many times that it's getting old.

Really, if SP needed to be eliminated why couldn't someone have just shot him as he was weaving his way back from a casino at 5am and then arrest some young punk, hardly worthy of a news report. The complexities in involved in staging a major conspiracy involving deaths and injuries of innocent victims makes no sense whatsoever.
JMO

 

[canadiangirl]

IMO many people are going by his earlobes.
The myth is that earlobes are either Attached or Detached.
The earlobes on the body are not the same as the earlobes in the photos posted of SP prior to death.
That much I agree with, but I won't try and explain why.
There are many reasons from the angle the photo was taken to earlobe surgery, to explain why they do not look the same.
https://udel.edu/~mcdonald/mythearlobe.html

MOO

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I haven't heard of this yet.....

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[x_files]

What "corporate interests" were protected? It is known that 58 people tragically lost their lives and more than 500 injured at the hands of a lunatic who shot at a crowd attending a festival from the 32nd floor of a nearby hotel. What do you think is being covered up?

To clarify they are not being forthright about the truth to protect the hotel from lawsuits.
IMHO