NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #11

[laytonian]

It seems to me to be logical to conclude that Steven went to Las Vegas, since the day before he was captured by the Video, he said he'd not be able to attend a church function because he'd be in Vegas.

That all happened on the same day: Dec 13th, between 7:57am and 12:00pm, Pacific Standard Time.

It's broken down practically minute-by-minute on our timeline page. Have you had a chance to review it?

Now, he ends up in Henderson, parks the car there in this neighborhood, yet the following day the Voice mail is check from Las Vegas?

The call to voice mail hit a tower in the "Las Vegas area". Henderson is a suburb of Las Vegas and is part of the "Las Vegas area".

If this is so, it "seems" logical to conclude that he rode with someone else to Las Vegas and he himself checked his voice mail messages that morning.

Still wondering of course just musing here.

Not sure if it's so; perhaps you can explain your theory a bit more?

 

[Leomoon80]

Ref:

It's broken down practically minute-by-minute on our timeline page. Have you had a chance to review it?

No I haven't had the opportunity to spend there. But from what I can see, you did a yeoman job, and I congratulate you on it., it's quite impressive and a hell of a lot of work I'm sure.

Also, I didn't know, (now I do, thanks to you), that Henderson & Las Vegas would essentially be the "same" when they checked the Voice Mail on the 14th of December.

So, it's plausible then, that he never left that neighborhood afterall.

However, WHO would have used his cell phone to check the Voice Mail on the 14th other then Steven?
And if another did, then WHY?

 

[laytonian]

I meant that if he was in Vegas that day, he most likely was filmed by more cameras than the ones we know about. There would be no way to know where. I just find it so ironic that of all the surveillance cameras in this city, Steven was picked up by two in a residential neighborhood - where few would even think to look for such a thing.

That irony may explain exactly WHY the car was parked where it was. It seems almost too ironic that he (seemingly) avoided all the security cameras, to park in a neighborhood.

I know the family did everything they could when they first discovered Steven was missing. Even if it had been more widely publicized locally sooner, it most likely would have been too late to check the videos of the majority of public places.

...and it's highly unlikely that you could check all those videos. There'd be thousands of them to contact, get subpoenas when necessary, and then review them.

We don't really know how long he'd been in Vegas. He could have slept at the rest area in the Gorge, pulled off in the Overton area, or almost anywhere.
To me, whatever happened began in St George, so it's a potential 120 mile crime scene (IF he disappeared due to a criminal act).

Here's another :waitasec: headscratcher:
If the HOA is that concerned about mis-parked and strange cars, why did it take two days for them to start checking on Steven's car? Then another day to contact his mother? (Maybe that second delay was caused by the need to first contact TH, whose phone number was on the window washing flyers?)

 

[RubyRed]

It seems to me to be logical to conclude that Steven went to Las Vegas, since the day before he was captured by the Video, he said he'd not be able to attend a church function because he'd be in Vegas.

Now, he ends up in Henderson, parks the car there in this neighborhood, yet the following day the Voice mail is check from Las Vegas?

If this is so, it "seems" logical to conclude that he rode with someone else to Las Vegas and he himself checked his voice mail messages that morning.

Still wondering of course just musing here.

bbm

Why do you think he was with someone else?

 

[Leomoon80]

bbm

Why do you think he was with someone else?

Forget it, my theory fell apart when I was informed that all of this happened (the call to the Church person) telling them he'd be in Las Vegas and the camera of Steven in the neighborhood the SAME day.

The only way I'd think another was involved would be of course to DRIVE him to Las Vegas (however far away Vegas is from Henderson, I don't think he'd walk it)

But it's diverting because apparently he never left this neighborhood after all.

 

[laytonian]

Ref:

No I haven't had the opportunity to spend there. But from what I can see, you did a yeoman job, and I congratulate you on it., it's quite impressive and a hell of a lot of work I'm sure.

I can't take total credit. Nearly every one of us "constant posters" has contributed something, found a new bit of info, or even pointed out where there was info that needed to be clarified.
It's kind of invisible work, because it's mostly research (several hours in the past two days). Blame Canada. Blame Lato.

Also, I didn't know, (now I do, thanks to you), that Henderson & Las Vegas would essentially be the "same" when they checked the Voice Mail on the 14th of December.

When you go through the timeline, and get to Dec 13th, you'll see a map of exactly where he car was found parked. Zoom out on it, click by click, and you'll get an idea of the entire metro area. Zoom out far enough, and you can see I-15 all the way north to St George.

So, it's plausible then, that he never left that neighborhood afterall.

However, WHO would have used his cell phone to check the Voice Mail on the 14th other then Steven?
And if another did, then WHY?

It's entirely plausible he never left. In fact, with ALL of the searches and canvassing taking place in the Sun City Anthem area, there must be something telling LE, the family and the investigators that it's the best place to search.

Who'd check the cell phone, if not Steven? I always have the same answers:
1 - a perp, wanting to see incoming calls.
2 - someone who found the phone

My bet is that Steven checked the voicemail himself, because I think he was waiting for a call from someone -- but couldn't leave the cell phone on all the time, because he knew it would go dead.

 

[Fairy1]

That irony may explain exactly WHY the car was parked where it was. It seems almost too ironic that he (seemingly) avoided all the security cameras, to park in a neighborhood.

...and it's highly unlikely that you could check all those videos. There'd be thousands of them to contact, get subpoenas when necessary, and then review them.

I was thinking if his face had been in the news sooner, someone may have thought, "Hey,I think that guy was in my store/casino/gas station. Let me check the tapes."

We don't really know how long he'd been in Vegas. He could have slept at the rest area in the Gorge, pulled off in the Overton area, or almost anywhere.

To me, whatever happened began in St George, so it's a potential 120 mile crime scene (IF he disappeared due to a criminal act).

Here's another :waitasec: headscratcher:
If the HOA is that concerned about mis-parked and strange cars, why did it take two days for them to start checking on Steven's car? Then another day to contact his mother? (Maybe that second delay was caused by the need to first contact TH, whose phone number was on the window washing flyers?)

I have wondered this same thing many times. It is not representative of my experiences with HOA's. And it seems particularly odd for a retirement community.

 

[laytonian]

I was thinking if his face had been in the news sooner, someone may have thought, "Hey,I think that guy was in my store/casino/gas station. Let me check the tapes."

Very true. Unfortunately, the first news story I can find, was in the Salt Lake Tribune on Dec 24th. The story, as far as I can tell, didn't "hit" the Vegas papers until about Jan 9th. Almost a month later.

Such is the fate of a missing adult male.

I have wondered this same thing many times. It is not representative of my experiences with HOA's. And it seems particularly odd for a retirement community.

...and kinda makes one wonder if the person who told him to park there, was part of the elderly patrol OR had a "kinda pass" to let guests park there for awhile. As long as they didn't stay too long.

That's why I've always thought some thumbscrews applied to the HOA might have helped. Like "how many cars park there" and "how many cars have you had to ticket?" AND "WHOSE cars have you had to ticket and who were they visiting?"

 

[RubyRed]

The way the security patrol blow their own horn in their monthly news rag, I would have expected them to be looking into the car asap.

 

[Leomoon80]

Thanks Laytonian for the comprehensive answer.
I see you've changed your Avatar, nice "message!" I liked the other one too but this one is far meatier.

I'm afraid to ask if the LE (police) have entered physically ALL those homes in that area at the time of his reported disappearance.

I think I better read up on that question (and the answer) as I've not seen it mentioned here on the many threads I've been reading to catch up!

 

[RubyRed]

Thanks Laytonian for the comprehensive answer.
I see you've changed your Avatar, nice "message!" I liked the other one too but this one is far meatier.

I'm afraid to ask if the LE (police) have entered physically ALL those homes in that area at the time of his reported disappearance.

I think I better read up on that question (and the answer) as I've not seen it mentioned here on the many threads I've been reading to catch up!

From what I know the homes were not entered, just talked to owners of them.

 

[laytonian]

Thanks Laytonian for the comprehensive answer.
I see you've changed your Avatar, nice "message!" I liked the other one too but this one is far meatier.

I didn't realize I could change it, so I've been playing around. I'm a one-case person. One at a time, totally immersed.

I'm also enough to remember George Gobel

I'm afraid to ask if the LE (police) have entered physically ALL those homes in that area at the time of his reported disappearance.

We don't know -- but they'd have to get a search warrant to enter someone's home to search without permission, so I'm going to say "nope".

I think I better read up on that question (and the answer) as I've not seen it mentioned here on the many threads I've been reading to catch up!

If you find the answer here, let US know!

 

[Fairy1]

Very true. Unfortunately, the first news story I can find, was in the Salt Lake Tribune on Dec 24th. The story, as far as I can tell, didn't "hit" the Vegas papers until about Jan 9th. Almost a month later.

Such is the fate of a missing adult male.

So true.

...and kinda makes one wonder if the person who told him to park there, was part of the elderly patrol OR had a "kinda pass" to let guests park there for awhile. As long as they didn't stay too long.

That's why I've always thought some thumbscrews applied to the HOA might have helped. Like "how many cars park there" and "how many cars have you had to ticket?" AND "WHOSE cars have you had to ticket and who were they visiting?"

I agree! If someone did lure Steven there - I find it hard to believe it was the first - or last - time! There SHOULD be a clue there somewhere!

 

[laytonian]

From what I know the homes were not entered, just talked to owners of them.

Or whoever answered the door.
The PI posted on Find Steven a couple of weeks ago, that he'd gone back to the neighborhood and found people who'd not been previously talked to.

 

[Leomoon80]

IF this neighborhood had been where Laura Bush's daughter parked her car one afternoon and disappeared, I can assure you that Search Warrants non-withstanding,
there would have been immense pressure for cooperation of every homeowner in that neighborhood. And any who for any reason said, "Constitutional Right of my Privacy I canot be bothered tonight" would have been a POI from that point forward as the Police cars assigned to that neighborhood never would have left the detail until at least a huge effort was expended!

Just "imo"

Sad but true.

 

[laytonian]

IF this neighborhood had been where Laura Bush's daughter parked her car one afternoon and disappeared, I can assure you that Search Warrants non-withstanding,
there would have been immense pressure for cooperation of every homeowner in that neighborhood. And any who for any reason said, "Constitutional Right of my Privacy I canot be bothered tonight" would have been a POI from that point forward as the Police cars assigned to that neighborhood never would have left the detail until at least a huge effort was expended!

Just "imo"

Sad but true.

I think you're right....because there'd be a lot of Secret Service agents missing, too

 

[Fairy1]

I wish there was some movement in Steven's case. What the heck is the PI doing?

 

[laytonian]

I wish there was some movement in Steven's case. What the heck is the PI doing?

Maybe he's off the case?

Or investigating. I hope.

 

[RubyRed]

I wish there was some movement in Steven's case. What the heck is the PI doing?

Even on FB it is slow and only a couple have shared their memories of him there.

 

[laytonian]

Even on FB it is slow and only a couple have shared their memories of him there.

I think people just look at the Wall, and post there. There's been some nice comments on the Wall...but nothing after the ex-aunt posted her memory.

SPEAKING of slow, here's another missing man from St George.
He's been missing a week...and it's just hitting the newspaper today.

(I can't figure out why someone would drop off a man who'd had a stroke "near" a convalescent center, instead of making sure he got safely inside.....)