NV NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #12

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There's one hitch: no prior pings/calls or evident visits to that area (except perhaps on Dec 12th, when he left St George early and came back in the late afternoon). But that would have required his phone be off for several hours on Dec 12th?

If he wasn't hiding on Dec 13th, why would he hide earlier?

But this is another hopeful scenario; the best outcome.

bbm

Do we know that? Possibly we know that he didn't make that trip the week or so before he disappeared. But what about before that? Do we really know where he was traveling or what he was doing?
 
bbm

Do we know that? Possibly we know that he didn't make that trip the week or so before he disappeared. But what about before that? Do we really know where he was traveling or what he was doing?

Obviously, we don't know. But if there was evidence in prior phone bills or conversations, I doubt it would be ignored.

He just wasn't hiding when he went there....UNLESS that was part of a plan. But it's all too complicated, and it's hard to leave your HUGE family and real friends. Eventually, you'd miss them. Or make contact.

:banghead:
 
Obviously, we don't know. But if there was evidence in prior phone bills or conversations, I doubt it would be ignored.

He just wasn't hiding when he went there....UNLESS that was part of a plan. But it's all too complicated, and it's hard to leave your HUGE family and real friends. Eventually, you'd miss them. Or make contact.

:banghead:

No, I don't think he stayed down there or intended to disappear. Obviously something went wrong. But I don't think he was doing anything new for him, either.

And I don't know what evidence would be there to be noticed. If people tried to call him and he didn't answer, that wouldn't tell them where he was. Even if he answered, and the call showed up on the cell phone bill, that wouldn't say where he was when he answered. It might show as roaming, is all.
 
Ding, What on earth is this all about? You "spoke" with them? Are these people fellow WSers? If this is the case this is so not cool at all, and we need to clean up our own backyard!

just dropped by and saw the post and the answer is - No not from in here. but from out there.

"MO" - modus operandi - if theres an angle for money to be had at the expense of others but not their own, theyll do it.
 
No, I don't think he stayed down there or intended to disappear. Obviously something went wrong. But I don't think he was doing anything new for him, either.

And I don't know what evidence would be there to be noticed. If people tried to call him and he didn't answer, that wouldn't tell them where he was. Even if he answered, and the call showed up on the cell phone bill, that wouldn't say where he was when he answered. It might show as roaming, is all.

IIRC, none of the calls in the last week, were from Nevada numbers. (My info is in my other computer, which I didn't synch with this one). When I'm home, I'm going to kick myself for not bringing it all with me ;)

We only see that last week; I'm sure his entire scope of calls (at least the past 90 days) has been scoured by LE and/or the PI.

I just don't think there's an answer in the phone pings UNLESS the non-hiding on Dec 13th was purposeful. That would explain the phone pings leading away from SCA. But it's all so complicated, isn't it?

If he's in hiding, and is this successful at it for this long, he could write a best-seller on "how to fool everyone into underestimating you".
 
thanks so much for the explanation, sw. That all makes sense now. Both LL and TH were trying to reach him multiple days starting Sunday so was not a memorable call on Sunday only to associate with SK disappearing that day.

I spent some time looking at ping map you and laytonian put together. Great work. With the caveat that I'm not super knowledgeable about how the cell phone / tower communications work, here are my thoughts on it.

My first thought is how close Steven was all morning Sunday to where he parked his car. Although we see different towers involved with the pings, they are in two groups; one general area where he parked his car and one general area up from there to the interstate at Whitney Ranch.

When cell towers overlap, they all recieve signals from the cell phone. I do not know all the logic involved in determining what tower will handle a call. I know timing of transmissions can be made and that this is used in one pseudo-GPS technique called triangulation, approximating location from time it takes to transmit a signal to multiple towers. But that isn't the point here.

Since the towers in the two areas are close to each other, it's not a given to me that he's moving, for example between the ower handling the first call taken before 8am and two hours later tower where second call taken. They are both within transmission distance of where he parked his car AFAIK. It is not a given to me that both calls would necessarily handled by same tower in an overlapping situation. If engineers say that is not the case, then strike this but my thought is that SK could have been where he was Sunday morning, indeed even late Saturday night after leaving his small apartment in St. George at 9:28pm. (Were the 9:02pm and 9:32pm calls identified?)

The same thing is true of the group of towers handling the 4:36pm and 7pm calls and then 7am next morning. Having said that, it's a bit of a hike but seems to be just about hiking speed to get from where his car was parked at noon to tower where ping is recorded at 4:36, then on northward to next tower where ping is recorded at 7pm, then up to interstate where ping is recorded at 7 in morning when voice mail is checked.

It looks for all the world like someone hiking out of Henderson and then maybe thumbing a ride on the interstate at a truck stop or something. Or done by someone to make it look that way.

I say hiking in the sense that it's a good walk, but Henderson is cited as one of the most walkable cities in the country according to Wikipedia. Of course that ends when you get to interstate and getting somewhere across the desert.

But although nicely headed north in terms of tower communications, they are relatively close together and could be handling calls at one location, a location that SK could still be at dead or alive to this day. Again, engineers may be able to tell us that communications among overlapping towers would not work that way, but if you have three towers able to hear the cell phone, I don't think they mediate to determine who is closest. I think one of them grabs it. And could be different ones different times. Hopefully a knowledgeable person will be able to clarify how that works (or I end up googling that question and get an answer which I haven't tried yet, just finished looking at map.)

I am most intrigued by SK being in general area of SCA all morning from early on. I have thought that where he was would be significant and wondered why no trace of him existed from 9:28pm previous evening. Driving around other nearby neighborhoods doing same thing he was doing when he walked away from his car at noon? Possible, I guess, if extremely puzzling and very difficult to see how no memorable encounter with anyone was made if out and about walking neighborhoods.

But as pointed out, he looks like he knew where he was going, where to park, and where he was heading, and while he may have scouted it out that morning, I would say he wasn't necessarily that far away all morning.

Also looking at ping map, it seems more probable to me what laytonian has suggested, that previous morning ping in Overton was also a trip to Vegas / Henderson, for same purpose. It would be a much shorter trip, maybe 9am to 3pm at most in Henderson, but could be where he made contact in person to come back next day at noon.

This is a classic dilemma, where strong arguments can be made that Steven hiked away from that car north to the interstate and sites unknown, or set up as a victim to disappear. Something may become known to tip the scale one way or the other, but right now it's a complete tossup.

rd
 
I spent some time looking at ping map you and laytonian put together.
rd

The map is entirely swjaxon's work.

I did ferret out what "Henderson COW" meant, and did a bit of phone number research later, but I can't take credit for ANYTHING major or the map's creation.
 
I just found a discussion about something *like* this: here.

I don't know if it applies, but there's another possibility, too: the plan may allow "free" calls to VM, which would allow them to show up on the pings but not the bill itself.

This would explain the call to voicemail...he knew there would be a message from...????

Landlady never mentioned the calls...and I would think if it was SK calling them she surely would have mentioned this.

Another red flag would also be the time of the calls...if the person was calling during church times...they must know he was not at church, even my non-member friends know what time we have church, especially if it's the end
of the year.
 
whitney ranch area? hhmmmm?
bordered by a major highway in the east(us95 or I515)
a major thoroughfare in the north (russell rd) and in the south (sunset rd)
a "ping " here could be because the roads were being used to traverse through.
the area contains the biggest shopping mall (galleria) huge resort casino (sunset station) biggest christian church and a there is a mormon church in the heart of whitney ranch

sca has nothing just a golf course and lots of desert nearby and seniors.
good place for suicide or murder

WR is the heart and hubbub of henderson. good place to dissappear by blending in and out of.
 
Thank you. Disturbing. I sure hope someone is paying attention.
you know Better Business Bureau is SG has a lot of window cleaning places but not TH's hhhm?

and TH was the only one trying to reach him from 12-13 in the pm to 12-16?
whats TH's alibi for those dates.
 
There are several calls between SK and TH from 12/8-12/11, no calls on the phone bill on 12/12 or 12/13. On the ping list, there are several calls (probably unanswered since they didn't get on the bill) from TH from the evening of 12/13-12/16.

LL texts Steve on 12/7 and that's his only appearance on the bill. On the ping list, which spans the dates 12/12-12/16, his number starts appearing at 4:36 on the 13th and then 10 more times until the 16th.

I find this interesting.
 
Was it ever confirmed on the cell phone bill if the family had the service "Family Map"?
 
you know Better Business Bureau is SG has a lot of window cleaning places but not TH's hhhm?

Who'd check with the BBB to hire something as minor as a window-washing company? They wash, you pay. Who's going to complain about "streaky"?

and TH was the only one trying to reach him from 12-13 in the pm to 12-16?

Wrong.
 
Hi Ruby, could you tell me the gist of this thing? I see that PI is looking into it too.

thanks :)

The house that they are referring to is 2250 Evening Lights Ave. This is the street where we see Steven turn the corner and start crossing the street. The house in question is on the same side he crosses over to.

Some people from the search that had taken place went to SCA to look around. They talked to Mr. Security's daughter who said that house has a lot of people coming and going late at night, and that those people also were not involved in the neighborhood watch program. They also saw cleaning crews going into that home sometime after Steven disappeared, they are not sure when, though.

There has been some of us that think Steven went to a home on Evening Lights. Yet no one saw him that day as he was walking. We have wondered if there was any suspicious activity at any homes, so this FB comment was interesting, the first we heard there might be suspicious activity at a home there.

On the map below if you zoom into 2250 Evening Lights, it is the fourth house up on the right side of the street, Coincidently there is a white car in front of it.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...34,-115.101829&spn=0.018136,0.029912&t=h&z=15
 
Thanks for that info and map, Ruby, Don't know who is saying that about coming and going late at night, cleaning, etc., but house at that address is clearly owned and being lived in by elderly couple in news for last three years, as recently as 11 days ago, in midst of lawsuit against VA for medical malpractice with trial in January next year. A very, very sad situation. My heart goes out to them.

rd
 
Thanks for that info and map, Ruby, Don't know who is saying that about coming and going late at night, cleaning, etc., but house at that address is clearly owned and being lived in by elderly couple in news for last three years, as recently as 11 days ago, in midst of lawsuit against VA for medical malpractice with trial in January next year. A very, very sad situation. My heart goes out to them.

rd

If you read some of my posts from January....this was the one house I had cleared in my mind for these exact reasons. They were even in Washington at one point trying to get legislation passed so what happened to him wouldn't happen to others. I think they may have been gone around the time Steven went missing or maybe it was in January. Anyway...maybe the guy on FB has the wrong address or maybe they have additional family members that live with them. Either could be reasonable.
 
Thanks for that info and map, Ruby, Don't know who is saying that about coming and going late at night, cleaning, etc., but house at that address is clearly owned and being lived in by elderly couple in news for last three years, as recently as 11 days ago, in midst of lawsuit against VA for medical malpractice with trial in January next year. A very, very sad situation. My heart goes out to them.

rd

True. There is nothing to look for at this address, IMO. Anyone can look it up.

It HAS to be different address.
 
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