NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

[Miss Muffet]

I can change the wings to be straight out, but not sure that will make a lot of difference in what we are looking for. I chose this pose for the bird because after looking at most of the artist drawings of Hawks in the sun or moon in the background, this is the most common one. I bet this was an artist that silk screened his work on T Shirts and sold them at malls or art fairs, things like that. The paint is good, as the orange stayed bright. As you can see it is not an iron on as you would be able to see the cracks on the fabric as it dries and wears. If it is a silk screen method, it is done in stages, the background is first then the bird would be screened on next and then details. So if there are talons on the body, they could have been in a lighter color that the stain is covering up or they faded over time. Just some ideas I thought about. Glad you like the drawing, took me about an hour. So I could do a better one if the detective want something else. Also we can run it in one of the image google searches now, see what we get.

It's great! I also think dirt/blood is hiding details and creating details that weren't there. I agree it was silkscreened by an artist. It's definitely not an iron on. It also doesn't look like a 3d print or digital print.

 

[Miss Muffet]

shortened the tail feathers a little. Looks a bit better.

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The tail looks more similar this way.

 

[Skully]

Skully, I think I see where you are talking about but the eye seems too big.


**In little Caylee Anthony's case, so many of us poured and poured over the area she was found in and we 'saw' all kinds of things that was proven not to be there.

My perception is that the original shirt color may have been yellow with an orange moon or sun behind a falcon or hawk.

I agree, but I see where people may see an eye or face of a bird in the area we discussed. I remember Caylee's case and we poured over a sign or a bag in one of the photos. Turned out to be way different than what we thought it way. Anyway I think this drawing I did, is pretty close to what is on that shirt. The head may be facing another direction or the wings may be straight out, but at any rate, I still can't find it on line. Sigh...

 

[Miss Muffet]

I have sent this to the National Audubon Society. Maybe they can help.

Maybe you'll have more luck with the National. I contacted the Yosemite chapter a week ago and received no response.

I'm going to the National Aviary in person tomorrow with all of the pictures---the original and all of the ones that were created here.

 

[Skully]

I see a very dirty white t-shirt with an orange sun/moon and a white bird drawn with black lines. It's likely to have blood on the picture causing misperceptions of eyes and such.

Yep, that is what I think too. I did the drawing in pencil so I can change stuff, but with some paint, black can fade to brown, depending on what kind of silk screen paint was used.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Skully, you are a terrific artist. And Tulessa...it may be a too-big beak, a just-right beak, or not a beak at all... I think I'm starting to go cross-eyed from looking at this so much.

 

[GGE]

shortened the tail feathers a little. Looks a bit better.

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I've been running the image search and checking stuff out but so far not finding anything.. beautiful drawing!

 

[LaLaw2000]

shortened the tail feathers a little. Looks a bit better.

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Absolutely great. Skully!

*Could it have possibly have been an owl with a Harvest Moon in the background? They swoop down on their prey at night. I'm sure you're right about a Hawk, though.

 

[Soulmagent]

Has the paint that was found in the blanket been tested to see if it is car paint, or house paint, inside or outside paint . Water based or oil based?

Is white paint the only color on the moving blanket? Also every single time I paint anything ,I get my hair stuck in it and it rips it out so was there hair found under any paint on the blanket?

Just wondering what kinda of testing could be done on the blanket. Pollen from somewhere else. Can parts of the blanket be soaked in distilled water to extract minerals from the fabric into the distilled water and then tested in search of clues?

 

[Owutatangledweb]

At first I thought turkey when I looked at it. Not so likely but now I am thinking hunting theme. Any outfitters from that time period that might recognize it? They often giveaway stuff like this to friends, customers.

 

[Miss Muffet]

My trip to Half Priced Books was a refreshing change. It was productive too. I didn't find the actual design with a red sun/moon circle, but I learned lots of relevant information from the books and from two customers.

If anyone has a Half Priced Books or a similar type of used bookstore, please visit if you can. Each store will have different books.

I looked through about 80 books. About 30 of them were from the 80s. There's a stark difference in the graphics. I spent $50 on bird books. Only $8 worth for our case. I couldn't help myself. After spending the past week or two looking through endless internet searches, I fell in love with the beautiful artwork in these old books. They're stunning, not just compared to what's on the internet but compared to newer publications too. It really made me realize what we're missing with the internet.

First most important thing I learned. Mmarty or lcsodetective posted links to two different pictures. The one with the white background is a stock photo that has been used in quite a few different publications since 2000. So, I don't think that particular picture the detective found is relevant. But there is a very similar photo in a book from the mid-80s. The only difference is the head is turned to the left.

I have a couple of drawings from the 80s I want to share. I truly believe an artist used a drawing or a picture in a bird book for inspiration. I need to get my scanner out of the attic or stop at the office supply place tomorrow to upload these pictures.

I also have a suspicion that my trip to the National Aviary tomorrow might reveal a different type of bird entirely. There are quite a few contenders that we haven't even mentioned. It very well might be an owl too. There are a couple other bird types too. I'll also make sure I posted these pictures too.

Second most important thing I learned was from a customer. There is a place to go on the internet where you can pay someone $2.00 to find something for you. You don't have to pay them until after they find it. It's called Amazon Mechanical Turk. The person who recommended it previously worked for Google. She also recommended we check out Reddit, but I'm only having luck finding photographs, not artwork.

Here's the link to Amazon Mechanical Turks: https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome

 

[wenwe4]

Submissions:

115) Kays, Harvey A 5’11 brown age 51ish 2 vehicle missing - dental/dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9561/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4372dmky.html

116) Haffner, Steven A 5’11 brown age 34ish unk dental/dna
not in namus
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1831dmky.html

117) Manns, Mitchell 6’1 brown age 40ish (no dental) dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4930/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3828dmky.html

118) Mosley, Rodger K 5’11” red age age 33 no dental/dna
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7010/1/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3827dmky.html

This concludes Kentucky doenetwork

 

[Soulmagent]

My trip to Half Priced Books was a refreshing change. It was productive too. I didn't find the actual design with a red sun/moon circle, but I learned lots of relevant information from the books and from two customers.

If anyone has a Half Priced Books or a similar type of used bookstore, please visit if you can. Each store will have different books.

I looked through about 80 books. About 30 of them were from the 80s. There's a stark difference in the graphics. I spent $50 on bird books. Only $8 worth for our case. I couldn't help myself. After spending the past week or two looking through endless internet searches, I fell in love with the beautiful artwork in these old books. They're stunning, not just compared to what's on the internet but compared to newer publications too. It really made me realize what we're missing with the internet.

First most important thing I learned. Mmarty or lcsodetective posted links to two different pictures. The one with the white background is a stock photo that has been used in quite a few different publications since 2000. So, I don't think that particular picture the detective found is relevant. But there is a very similar photo in a book from the mid-80s. The only difference is the head is turned to the left.

I have a couple of drawings from the 80s I want to share. I truly believe an artist used a drawing or a picture in a bird book for inspiration. I need to get my scanner out of the attic or stop at the office supply place tomorrow to upload these pictures.

I also have a suspicion that my trip to the National Aviary tomorrow might reveal a different type of bird entirely. There are quite a few contenders that we haven't even mentioned. It very well might be an owl too. There are a couple other bird types too. I'll also make sure I posted these pictures too.

Second most important thing I learned was from a customer. There is a place to go on the internet where you can pay someone $2.00 to find something for you. You don't have to pay them until after they find it. It's called Amazon Mechanical Turk. The person who recommended it previously worked for Google. She also recommended we check out Reddit, but I'm only having luck finding photographs, not artwork.

Here's the link to Amazon Mechanical Turks: https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome

Miss Muffet

Can you take a picture of the photos with your phone and post them?

 

[wenwe4]

Submisssions:

119) Burrows, James P 5’11 brown age 25 dental avail (no dna)
suspicious circumstances - possibly connection with McFry,Jeffrey
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4778/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/295dmal.html


120) McFry, Jeffrey S 5’11 brown age 23 no dental/dna
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4779/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/391dmal.html

121) Lackey, Jerry W 6’2 dark blonde age 42ish no dental/dna
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4777/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1319dmal.html

completes Alabama doenetwork

122) Guy, Timothy J 6’1 – 6’2 brown age 22ish no dental/dna
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/528/3/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/86dmga.html

123) Rouse, Terry 6’2 brown age 24 (no dental) dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/537/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/205dmga.html

124) Criner, Joseph A 6’7” grey age 57 *missing after date no dental/dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/718/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1693dmga.html

concludes Georgia doenetwork

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Interesting site re feather forensics

http://www.fws.gov/lab/featheratlas/feather.php?Bird=RTHA_tail_harlans_various

 

[SeriouslySearching]

At first I thought turkey when I looked at it. Not so likely but now I am thinking hunting theme. Any outfitters from that time period that might recognize it? They often giveaway stuff like this to friends, customers.

The Remington company logo and shirts were popular and did feature a goose with an orange sun. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rem...979?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234d39ec13

While it is possible this is another kind of bird, I keep coming back to an owl. Hunting themes only include birds legal to hunt so it would exclude eagles, owls, falcons, etc. But we haven't narrowed it down to one type so anything is possible. (Some haven't even narrowed it down to one bird on the shirt!)

 

[wenwe4]

Submissions:

125) Jones, Jerry V 5’10 brown age 29ish (headed from S.C. to Cali) dental avail (no dna)
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11103/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/614dmsc.html

concludes South Carolina doenetwork

126) Daughenbaugh, Lowell V 6’ brown/red 42ish foul play no dental/dna
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2424/0/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/223dmnc.html

127) Black, Michael E 5’11 – 6’1 blonde 35ish no dental/dna
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5027/6/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1711dmnc.html

completes North Carolina doenetwork

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Mervyn's? I'm 42 and have lived on the east coast my whole life and never heard of that brand so I googled it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyns

"Mervyn's was an American middle scale department store chain based in Hayward, California,"

"In 2006, Mervyn's had 189 stores in 10 states.[2] One year later, Mervyn's had reduced its store count to 177 stores in 7 states. On October 17, 2008, the company announced that it would liquidate its assets through a Chapter 7 filing.[3][4] All remaining locations were closed by December 31 of that year."


I think perhaps finding which ten states had a "Mervyn's" store might be wise.

Mervyn's was quite popular in Oklahoma back in the day, IIRC. The stores here didn't open until mid to late 80s and closed in 2006.

 

[Tulessa]

Skully, you are a terrific artist. And Tulessa...it may be a too-big beak, a just-right beak, or not a beak at all... I think I'm starting to go cross-eyed from looking at this so much.

Exactly. I'm just trying to throw some things out there, in hopes that they will trigger something.

 

[enzeder]

The Remington company logo and shirts were popular and did feature a goose with an orange sun. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Rem...979?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item234d39ec13

While it is possible this is another kind of bird, I keep coming back to an owl. Hunting themes only include birds legal to hunt so it would exclude eagles, owls, falcons, etc. But we haven't narrowed it down to one type so anything is possible. (Some haven't even narrowed it down to one bird on the shirt!)

BBM - After looking at so many pic's I keep coming back to an owl also. To me, the markings on their wings and tail feathers most closely resemble the image on the T-Shirt. imo

Image: The Great Horned Owl
http://www.stephenoachs.com/gallery-great-horned-owl.php