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My God son has an American Eagle top that looks like the eagle is pencil drawn.
 
Skully said:
This is one possibility of the rending we are seeing. I used the tail from the picture we were given on the t shirt and then added the rest as it may have been drawn. The circle is off under the left wing area but in order to get it round I did it the way it should be. So perhaps when they get the sample back and pin it out, it will look more like a circle. I am rusty at doing these types of drawings, so bear with me.

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Excellent drawing, Skully! Very talented!! Yay!! Thank you!!

You could be right about the wings being flared, but I am just not seeing it yet. I keep going back to the wings being more even and in soaring mode. I am also not on board with an artist rendering of a bird of prey clutching another animal in its' claws. It seems far too graphic to be worn on a t-shirt. I honestly believe where people are seeing an eye and things, there are the legs and talons which, as you mentioned, could be faded and the dark shadows are creating the illusion.
 
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15 of those have been ruled out (mostly based upon dentals)
2 are not being looked at - at this time
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Miss Muffet said:
Detectives,

You mentioned to include people missing after the date the body was found. I've been including them if the circumstances seem suspicious or the family reported years later.

What about the ones where it's not clear if the family reported it right away or years later? For example, I have a guy who traveled to Vegas to go to a strip club 4 years after the body was found. Should I include him? It's not clear one way or another if it's certain that's the date or not.
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Date last seen really helps us in cases like this. If he was last seen after March 12, 1992, then we don't need him, but if it is unknown when he was last seen or the reporting party reports the disappearance several years later, we can use those, if they match.

I've been super busy this weekend, sorry for the late posts on the forum. Just getting to all these now.
 
mmarty said:
Date last seen really helps us in cases like this. If he was last seen after March 12, 1992, then we don't need him, but if it is unknown when he was last seen or the reporting party reports the disappearance several years later, we can use those, if they match.
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My problem is often it's not clear when the family reported it. It will just say "last seen on such and such date" without any other information. I can't go by the entered date, because it seems a large percentage of them have been entered after 2010 simply due to data entry backlog or something.

I'll just keep a separate list of links on my computer for these when I see them going forward. If you don't find anything with the list we've compiled in the thread, at least there will be a highly-unlikely list ready.
 
I ran across an interesting tidbit saying the gang problem in Reno steadily declined from 1989 to 1990 with a decrease in drive-by shootings going down to only 7 that year. I would have to assume if the gang activity was down in the city...it would also have declined in the more rural areas during that time. (The book was written in 1993 for the National Institute Of Justice)

https://books.google.com/books?id=n...e&q=gangs prevalent in Nevada in 1990&f=false
 
SeriouslySearching said:
I ran across an interesting tidbit saying the gang problem in Reno steadily declined from 1989 to 1990 with a decrease in drive-by shootings going down to only 7 that year. I would have to assume if the gang activity was down in the city...it would also have declined in the more rural areas during that time. (The book was written in 1993 for the National Institute Of Justice)

https://books.google.com/books?id=n...e&q=gangs prevalent in Nevada in 1990&f=false
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A decline in drive by shooting gang activity doesn't discount the possibility since very few types of people cut off hands and feet. Furthermore, I'm not talking about a local gang in a rural area or even a local gang in a nearby city. Drug smuggling involves leaving an area to obtain drugs from a source and bring the drugs back into an area. The gang is likely in another state, possibly another country but less likely. Of course, the victim could have stepped on local toes via being competition, but that detail is irrelevant to the overall POINT of my post being the idea of potentially identifying the victim via family DNA connection between the victim and someone on our missing persons list.

As I said, I posted it for the detectives, and they know exactly what I'm talking about.
 
Miss Muffet said:
A decline in drive by shooting gang activity doesn't discount the possibility since very few types of people cut off hands and feet. Furthermore, I'm not talking about a local gang in a rural area or even a local gang in a nearby city. Drug smuggling involves leaving an area to obtain drugs from a source and bring the drugs back into an area. The gang is likely in another state, possibly another country but less likely. Of course, the victim could have stepped on local toes via being competition, but that detail is irrelevant to the overall POINT of my post being the idea of potentially identifying the victim via family DNA connection between the victim and someone on our missing persons list.

As I said, I posted it for the detectives, and they know exactly what I'm talking about.
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I need to go back and read your post since I was just doing research on MS13 and other possible gangs in the area during that time. I also looked up serial killers who were active during those years. I researched stabbing victims and others with missing limbs etc. I have no idea what angle you are looking at with drug smuggling or how it possibly connects to the victim in this case.

Also the detectives have made it clear they will not verify if the hands and feet were actually cut off or not. We have to be careful how we state it and not infer it is factual information.
 
As a follow-up to my other post, I found another read about three Hispanic gangs who became active in the summer of 1990 in Reno with knife fights, beatings, and shootings in public parks, state fairs, and area high schools. They were the Monte Vias, Montellos, and Top Locos. The feuds were ongoing for months between the gangs.

A gang task force was started in 1992 by the Reno FBI office. The initial mission was to collect regional intelligence involving the movement of weapons and drugs between Reno and adjacent states. Very successful.

It could also mean there were a few confidential informants in the area long before the task force was started, imo. Could our victim have been a CI or UC?

Here is the publication: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/171961NCJRS.pdf
 
GGE said:
I've been running the image search and checking stuff out but so far not finding anything.. beautiful drawing!
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I did the same thing, and no luck. I honestly don't think we will find it on the internet, unless someone is wearing it in a old photo from the 80's. But I will keep looking. Maybe vintage clothing stores would be some place to ask.
 
Did we ever determine what the weather was like around the time he was killed? A t shirt, jeans and Kenny shoes don't sound like winter or he was a hiker or outdoors person. I also think it was strange he was only found with a t shirt on, makes me think sex was a motive or he was maybe caught with someone else's lover. No wallet, no watch, maybe robbed after or to hid who he was. I also don't know why someone would cut off hands and feet but leave teeth to ID someone. I think animals are too blame for those missing bones. Have to run, off to get some tests done, wish me luck.
 
I don't know about gangs in other areas but around Boston they don't bother to bury the bodies. They burn them in their cars, dump them in a river or ocean, or just leave them in an industrial park overnight for the workers to find in the morning. In the 80s they'd leave bodies in wooded areas or isolated roads, but there aren't many areas like that left.

Private drug-related killings are another matter.

Mr. Carbuff said it sounded like robbery to him. Maybe somebody who won big in a casino or something like that.
 
Mervyn's stores: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mervyns

Mervyn's was located in CA NV MN MI OK TX LA WA OR. One store in Salt Lake City UT; one store in Grand Junction, CO. Kohl's and Forever 21 took over many of the store leases after Mervyn's closed. The Mervyn's site in Las Vegas was slightly remodeled on the interior and is now a Mexican grocery.
 
This post will seem like a massive long shot but...
For the last few days I have really been thinking over the piece of fabric and the partial piece of design on the T-Shirt - and whether or not to post at all - mainly because I am sure I have seen this design on a T-Shirt.
To cut a long story short I was passing through Arizona in mid 1993 - I travelled from Australia. When I reached Sedonna, I bought a number of T-Shirts with Native American designs that appealed to me.
Now, I didn't buy the T-Shirt with the Bird on it, but one of the people I was travelling with did, and he wore that T-Shirt a lot so it sort of stuck in my memory.
The store that sold it was off the main highway, they sold T's 3 for $10 (on special).
The other thing was I thought the Bird was an Owl. The base colour of the T-shirt he bought was like a buckwheat - there were also other coloured backgrounds of this Shirt.
Somewhere I still have the T-shirts I bought - they are packed somewhere. If I can find the brand on my T-Shirts label - maybe that would help?

Yep, I did say long shot. I will also look through the photo album to see if there is a picture of him wearing the T-Shirt.
 
I emailed a place called the Nest in Reno and just want to see if they carry any t shirts like the one we are looking for. If not, I will ask where is the best place to find old tees. It's a start.
 
Okay, I sent the picture to FL Wildlife and Game and one of the Bird people are going to look at it and try to tell us what kind of bird it is. This will help a lot. Or at least end the debate, LOL
 
SeriouslySearching said:
Also the detectives have made it clear they will not verify if the hands and feet were actually cut off or not. We have to be careful how we state it and not infer it is factual information.
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The detectives are well aware of what is factual information.

At the start of my post, it says "THEORIES" in big read letters, and in that same post I said "if" regarding the hands and feet.

My subsequent post was mostly focused on general information about gangs and drug smuggling, and the types of people who cut off hands and feet.

I knew this was going to happen, that's why my initial post said I was posting it for the detectives, not to debate with others here.
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