NV NV - Wellington, WhtMale 574UMNV, 35-50, off Sand Canyon Road, Mar'92 - #1

[carbuff]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I'm not going to be around for a few days. I need a break -- was having nightmares about being dive-bombed by birds of prey carrying squirrels. I didn't check all last night's post but it looks like a lot more good observations and finds going on. I'll bet by the time I get back, you'll have solved this for sure

My admiration is boundless for people like lcsodetectives and mmarty who can do this day in and day out and still hang onto their dedication and determination. My hat's off to you.

eta: Oh, yeah -- that orange background. I looked at it again before I went to bed, and I'm not convinced it's circular. Looking on the enlarged photo, the fabric grain seems pretty straight, like there's minimal stretching. Of course there could be tearing or folding. But the orange doesn't quite line up.

 

[carbuff]

I am not so sure this is all the bird we are seeing. It could be that it is stained and it is covering up some of the line drawing or it is fur over the bird, meaning, could it be carrying something? There are pics on line of a bird of prey carrying off small animals on some of the tees I have seen. Anyway let me know what you think of this image. I put it in Photoshop, changed it to B&W and then messed with exposure.

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The thing that looks like fur is what had me looking at things like spirit shields and tribal headdresses. After doing all the lightbox work yesterday, I'm all but positive those blue-gray areas are part of the design, with black staining over them making it hard to distinguish what the black parts of the original over them.

And yes, I am convinced that a big part of the bird and most likely the background is not on this little strip of fabric.

 

[wenwe4]

(p = post number on this thread that has the link to more information)
Alpha NV UID¬¬
A
Alley, John W 5’11 brown age 29 (p253) #71
Allgood, Kim L (*aka Galloway, Randy) 5’10 – 6’2” straw blonde (p254) #72
Ashby, Michael E 6’1 Red age 23 (rpt missing after date) (p222) #61
Ashley, Richard = R/O Dental (p117) #11
B
Baker, Jeffrey J 6’ brown (p213) #49
Beich, Bobby 5’11 brown (p51,103,147) #8 pending
Belliveau, Edmond J Jr 6’0 brown age 33 (p227) #65 (Canada)
Birchfield, Daniel A 5’ 6’2 Straw blonde (p137) #24
Bishop, Williams B Jr 6’1 brown age 55ish (p783) #107 dental/dna avail R/O Dental (p788)
Black, David M 6’0 blonde (p158) #3 pending R/O
Blake, Stephen T 6’3 – 6’5” straw blonde age 30 (p746) #102 no dental or dna (WS thread)
Bogart, Arden Jr 6’ brown age 24 dentals avail (p218) #57
Bonner, Mark 6’3 straw blonde age 24 (p544) #90
Bowman, William D 6’2 brown age 33 (p153) #28
Bratton, David 6’0 red age 27 (p300) #77
Breaux, Adam J 5'11 brown (dark?) age 50 (p534) #89 dentals/dna avail – R/O (p751)
Brennan, William 5’11 brown age 39 (p245) #69
Butler, Charles M 6’0 black hair? Age 46 (p242) #68
C
Cain, Frederick 6’0 Red/Auburn age 41 (p71,216) #12
Carlstrom, Brian E 6’0 Straw age 26 (p609) #93 dental/dna avail
Cassada, William B 5”11 – 6’3 red age 37 (p600) #91
Clarke, Michael T 6’0 – 7’ age 40-50 (p159) #36
Chouinard, Michael 60 blonde age 28 (p217) #54
D
Davies, Charles R III 5’11 age 24 brown missing L eye tooth (p154) #30
Davis, Charles Edward 6' - 6'2", straw blonde age mid 50’s (p724) #95 dental avail
Davis, Randy R 6’1 – 6’2” Straw age 27 (p775) #105 (no dental) dna avail
Dearmon, Howard 6’1 brown/bald age 52 (p208) #46
Denninger, Donald 6’, black (p446) #84
Dimick, James T 6’1 age 30 (p137) #26
Douglas, Barry K 6’0 Red age 31 (p71) #17
E
Eddy, Michael Rolf 6’0 brown (looks lighter) age 46 (p366) #79
Eder, Carl A 6’1 – 6’3 straw age 51ish (p787) #108 no dental/dna
Ervin, Kyle III 6’1 brown age 26 dentals/dna avail (p222) #64
F
Farmer, Greg(g) P 6’2 red/auburn age 30 (p782) #106 dental/dna R/O Dental (p786)
Fernandez, Raymond J 6’0 – 6’1 Sandy age 47 (p357) #78
Fiala, Joseph 6’2 Straw Blonde (p137) #25
Flowers, John W 6’1 brown age 44 (p231) #67
G
Gale, Edward E (aka Long, Joe*) 6’2 brown age 36 (p604) #92 dental avail
Garrison, Theodore W 6’0 brown (p534) #85
Galloway, Randy (aka *Allgood,Kim) 5’10 – 6’2” straw blonde (p254) #72
Garmire, Brenton 6’3 brown (p158) rugged outdoorsman #32
Geppert, John H III 5’10 – 6’ light brown age 33 (fx collar bone) (p377) #80
Goddard, Jason M 6’2 blonde(red?) age 20 (p213) #51
Gove, Michael B 5’9 brown age 41 (p217) R/O Dental/height (p221) #53
Guarro, Richard W 6’1 – 6’2 brown age 39 (p790) (miss’96) #109 no dental/dna
H
Hagel, Roy J 6’ brown age 38 (p222) #58
Haines, Joey Johnathan 6’1 straw blonde age 26 (p259,266) #74 WS thread
Heines, Clinton 6’3 blonde age 32 (p222) #62
Hickman, Wayne W 6’1 brown age mid 30’s (p403) #83
Hitchcock, Richard E D red/bushy age 21 (p748) #99 dental & dna avail – R/O Dental (p767)
Hoffman, Allen A 5’10 blonde age 25 (teeth #3,14,30) (p202) #37
Holmen, Curtis A 6’5 blonde/red age 31 (p218) hair looks close #55
Huffman, Christopher = R/O dental (p277) #4
I
J
Johnston, Sidney E 6’0 brown age 47 (p534) #86
Jones, Curtis W 6’0 – 6’1 red age 47 (p129) #19 *DNA requested
K
Kellar, Robert R 6’0 brown (close in color) age 20 (p383) #82
Kreyche, J = R/O dna (p29) #1
Kuhlman, Robert Lewis 6’4 red age 34 (p691) #94 dentals avail
L
Leach, Randy W 6’ brown age 22ish dentals/dna avail levi’s (p222) #59
Lee, Randall D 6’ light brown age 36 (p745) #101 dental & dna avail R/O (p761)
Livingston, Allen L 6’2 brown age 27is (rept missing after date) (p748) #98 no dental or dna
Long, Joe (aka Gale, Edward E*) 6’2 brown age 36 (p604) #92 dental avail
Longman, Randy W 5’11 brown age 27 (p222) #60
Lopez, Gordon B 6’2 – 6’5” Dark Brn to Red age 21 (p71) #15
Lovely, David V 6’4 brown(red?) mid 20’s (p208) #42
Lutas, George 6’ brown age 26 (p256) #73
M
Matthews, Paul A 5’11” Red age 26 (p71) #16
McFarlin, Thomas L 5’10 – 6’3 red/brown age 34 (p157,193) #31
Meer, Douglas = R/O dna (p29) #2
Meyer, Richard S 5’10 dark brown age 39 (p218) #56
Michaud, Thomas A 6’1 brown/bald approx mid 30’s (p380) #81
Mize, David W 5'10 brn age 28 #88 (p534) dentals/dna avail
Moody, Thomas 5’11 brown (p158) #34
Moreau, Timothy D tall red hair age 21 (p208) #43
Morris, Teddy 5’10 brown missing teeth (p158) R/O Dental (p194) #35
N
Negeulourart, Louis 6’1 brown age 54 (p202) #39
Newcombe, Ralph A 5’11 brown age 35 (p213) #48
O
O’Brian, Barry B 6’2 brown age 34 (p257) #74
O’Carroll, Jeffrey L 5’10 – 6’ age 36 (p208) #41
O’Kane, Timothy R 6’2 – 6’4” brown age 28-34, (P118,233) #9
P
Page, Gordon T 6’0 – 6’3” brown (p111) #18 R/O Dental (p121)
Patterson, Kenneth B 5’9 – 6’2 age 28 (p137) #22
Pearsall, Steven R (aka Sahlim) 6’3 brown 45 (p766) #103 dental/dna avail R/O Dental (p768)
Peranteau, Clifford R 6’1 blonde age 23 (p60,157,197) #10
Post, Stanley 6’0 brown (p158) #33
Proctor, James L 6’ brown age 47 (p208) #44
Q
R
Ranken, Brian = R/O Dental (p36) #5
Robinson, Luke 6’0 – 6’2 brown age 24 (p154) missing 2 teeth #29
S
Simmons, Jack Red/Auburn age 24 p71 Not Considered (p190) #14
Sloat, Rodney L 6’1 brown age 31 (p227) #66 (Canada)
Smith, Luther V 6’0 sandy (p202) #38
Smith, Michael (p135) #20 R/O Dental (p142)
Sparrow, Timothy 6’3 Red/Auburn age 40 (p71) #13
Spencer Dean T (p38) – Temp R/O (not at this time) #7
Spring, Randy C 5’11-6’ Straw age 28 (p773) #104 dental avail
Stansberry, Clyde E 5’11 brown red/auburn age 44 (p246) #70
Stonecipher, William C 5’10 blonde age 32 (p222) #63
Storkson, Billy 5’9 age 36 (p216) #52
Strassburger, Dale W 5’8 – 6’2” Straw Blonde age 35 (p137) #27
Stricklin, Michael K 6'1 brown age 30 (p534) #87 no dental dna?

T
Taylor, Patrick K 5’6 – 6’1” brown-blonde age 32ish (748) #97
Tuomi, Steven W unk height blonde (looks very red) age 29ish (p748) #96
Turpin, Daniel R 6’ brown age 26 (p213) #50
U
V
Vaughan, Wallace L 5’10 brown age 27 (p144,145,146) #21 R/O Height (p150)
Vucurevich, Milan Jr 6’5” brown/grey age 44 (p267) #76
W
Wagner, John W 5’10 brown (p204,209) Possible R/0 (p219) #47
Wakefield, Bradley J 6’1 brown (p208) #45
Ware, Kenneth T 6’ straw blonde age 22 (p137) #23
Wikel, Wayne F 6’ brown age 48 (p744) #100 (no dental) dna initially submit
X
Y
Z
Zinza, James 6’1 sandy (p38) #6

 

[wenwe4]

Lewis Neguelouart's age is wrong on the list. He would have been 54 at the time the body was found, not 61.

Raymond Fernandez has a z at the end of his name instead of an x.

I'm not proofing the list. Just finding these as I'm checking the list when I find someone.

Thank you so very much for catching these and alerting me. I have corrected the errors. Please let me know if anytime anyone sees an error - so I can get it corrected right away.

109 submissions so far!

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I am not so sure this is all the bird we are seeing. It could be that it is stained and it is covering up some of the line drawing or it is fur over the bird, meaning, could it be carrying something? There are pics on line of a bird of prey carrying off small animals on some of the tees I have seen. Anyway let me know what you think of this image. I put it in Photoshop, changed it to B&W and then messed with exposure.

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Skully, this is fantastic! To me, the 'face' I saw in the center is even more clear--it appears that a falcon-type bird (no 'eyebrow' over its eyes like the eagle) is flying to the right (as the viewer looks at the picture), with a bird's tail feathers hanging out of its mouth. The sun's orb is below and to the right of the flying bird. Peregrine falcons are known for diving and eating their prey--and their prey, I read yesterday, are primarily OTHER flying birds.

I'll put the pics in in a minute...





That might explain why the tail feathers are overlapping the wing feathers of the flying bird--it's another bird (or part) hanging from its beak. (They often dismember and eat their prey in flight.)

 

[Dylgem22]

As far as the shirt goes and trying to figure out its origin, how about considering local schools, campgrounds, summer camps, ski resorts near Tahoe or surrounding areas ( since he did have a heavenly lake cap nearby) ... He could have gotten shirt at a good will or used clothing shop, borrowed it, so even though he was of an older age, he may have needed a shirt badly he wore anything that fit him ...

 

[Steleheart]

I have been browsing some random red tail hawk images and I think this one is similar to our bird. The coloring, the bars in the feathers and the squared off tail look close so I feel that we are looking at the bird in flight from the top ad not the underside. I think the stained area between the wings is the back feathers..




So with the wings outstretched and the tail open we see this.





I think our bird is just taking flight.
Oh, and yes there is no birch bark as I originally thought LOL


:cow:

 

[Miss Muffet]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I'm not going to be around for a few days. I need a break -- was having nightmares about being dive-bombed by birds of prey carrying squirrels. I didn't check all last night's post but it looks like a lot more good observations and finds going on. I'll bet by the time I get back, you'll have solved this for sure

Have a good rest. We need to do what we can to avoid burnout. I stopped looking at bird pictures in the diving position because they look so vicious. I've decided I don't like eagles. I also had problems reading the escape convict I posted last night.

My admiration is boundless for people like lcsodetectives and mmarty who can do this day in and day out and still hang onto their dedication and determination. My hat's off to you.

My hat's off to them too.

eta: Oh, yeah -- that orange background. I looked at it again before I went to bed, and I'm not convinced it's circular. Looking on the enlarged photo, the fabric grain seems pretty straight, like there's minimal stretching. Of course there could be tearing or folding. But the orange doesn't quite line up.

It may be a rock face of a cliff in the sunset.

 

[wenwe4]

Submisions:

110) Franks, Theodore M 6’0 brn? Age 25ish unk dental/dna
Disappeared under suspicious circumstances 1986
No Namus entry -
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4790dmoh.html

111) Franks, Ricky 5’10 straw age 31ish (no dental) dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17/2/

112) Vonderheide, Ronald A 5’10 light brown age 27ish unique dentals/bone - missing crown upper front tooth, bullet lodged in rib, fx ankle
not in namus
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2073dmoh.html

Pruett, Stanley C 5’11 brown age 34ish #113 no dental, dna avail
no info on Namus
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1268dmoh.html

114) Morrissey, Liam 5’10 brown age 26 dental/dna avail
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/10954/1/
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1070dmoh.html

concludes Ohio on doenetwork

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I just contacted a well-known bird identification artist (who has a Facebook page) and requested he look at the link on the Lyon County Sheriff's page and maybe give his impressions. Don't know if he will, but hey, it was worth a shot. He's written a ton of field guide books (Birds and Trees).

 

[Miss Muffet]

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THEORIES

This is a bit complex because its intention is to identify ways to find clues to the identity of the victim.

I'm just providing this for the detectives, not to debate the crime scene, killing, or killer with anyone here.

Early in the thread, I suggested a few theories.

1) The victim could possibly be a family member of the car owner. (In this post, this theory comes full circle applied to another circumstance.)

2) The caller and the victim were associates involved in illegal activity. Someone else killed the victim, and the caller felt he couldn't be a witness but wanted justice.

Today, I was talking someone about William Bishop, the guy I found last night who has all of the skills of a drug smuggler, and how disappointed I was that he wasn't a match. It was suggested the victim could have been his relative or close friend since drug smugglers don't smuggle alone and only team up with people they trust implicitly. I'm not suggesting our victim is related to Bishop. Bishop would have been too old. But this does bring me back to my other theory the victim was involved in drug smuggling if the hands and feet were cut off, and I believe could offer some insight into the victim.

Who cuts off hands and feet? Not a sane friend or family member. I'm told what's involved in butchering a deer isn't done without emotions, and nobody sane could do that to a friend or family member. In other words, it would require a mean assed heartless MF'er to do it. The type of tool used could indicate how mean assed the killer was too. Or rather, what type of group the killer was associated with.

I'm not feeling the mafia or casinos here. Maybe I watched too many Sopranos episodes, but I believe the American mafia does a much better job at hiding its bodies. I'm thinking some type of gang was the drug connection/source. I guess back in the day biker gangs were more prevalent than anything else, but I'm not knowledgeable about gang history to know what other types of gangs were prevalent back then.

And I'll bet the caller was the victim's partner. Not his killer. His partner.

So who partners up in drug smuggling? People who trust each other implicitly. Family. Childhood friends. Military buddies. Mountain/rock climbers. Backcountry skiers. Who else?

I'm not envisioning our victim as a gang member or ex-convict because I don't believe an associate would call to report the car and body in those types of trust relationships. That's why I'm not including gang members and ex-convicts on the trust-implicitly list. Plus, I think it would be downright difficult to determine the victim's identity if he were a gang member. I'm imagining a couple of dudes who were working on their own via drug connections.

So my big question is if it's possible for DNA to show a family match? In other words, is it possible DNA can identify a family match to missing person's on our list? Family is only a small percentage of the trust-implicitly groups, but I'd think it would be noteworthy if any of the DNA results come back indicating possible DNA connection. Well, I know it's possible. DNA determines family relationships all the time. The question is if the results from DNA tests run to identify remains can indicate a possible family relationship? Or at the very lease, can the results show a hint that further DNA testing could be fruitful?

As a result, in looking through our list of missing people whose dental records didn't match, would it be a worthy effort to select the ones who had the highest probability (time period, hair color, circumstance, etc.) and still run a DNA test on them anyway to see if a possible family match results?

If that's not enough reason to financially justify running a DNA test on a select few who didn't match dental records, would it be worthy to research if any of the select few missing persons' families have someone else who is missing? (Disclaimer: I'm suggesting this to the detectives, not Websleuthers.) Perhaps finding something like that might justify the expense of running a DNA test on a select few missing persons who didn't match the dental records.

Of course, I'm only recommending this after all other leads are exhausted or if there are a few people on the missing persons' list who seemed highly probable but dental didn't match.

And, no, I'm not suggesting William Bishop. He was much too old in 1992 to be still running around drug smuggling with a relative (unless someone caught up with him years later for something he had done years prior.) He was just the catalyst that pulled my theories together to form this idea to help identify the victim.
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[Skully]

This is one possibility of the rending we are seeing. I used the tail from the picture we were given on the t shirt and then added the rest as it may have been drawn. The circle is off under the left wing area but in order to get it round I did it the way it should be. So perhaps when they get the sample back and pin it out, it will look more like a circle. I am rusty at doing these types of drawings, so bear with me.

 

[Tulessa]

Skully, this is fantastic! To me, the 'face' I saw in the center is even more clear--it appears that a falcon-type bird (no 'eyebrow' over its eyes like the eagle) is flying to the right (as the viewer looks at the picture), with a bird's tail feathers hanging out of its mouth. The sun's orb is below and to the right of the flying bird. Peregrine falcons are known for diving and eating their prey--and their prey, I read yesterday, are primarily OTHER flying birds.

I'll put the pics in in a minute...





That might explain why the tail feathers are overlapping the wing feathers of the flying bird--it's another bird (or part) hanging from its beak. (They often dismember and eat their prey in flight.)

If that's a beak, it's an awful biggggg beak...

 

[Miss Muffet]

This is one possibility of the rending we are seeing. I used the tail from the picture we were given on the t shirt and then added the rest as it may have been drawn. The circle is off under the left wing area but in order to get it round I did it the way it should be. So perhaps when they get the sample back and pin it out, it will look more like a circle. I am rusty at doing these types of drawings, so bear with me.

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Rusty? I think that's great! It would have taken me a month. I regret I didn't continue with my artistic talents after becoming a mother.

Can you make one with the wings straight? To make it less girly? Or do straight wings not line up with the circle properly?

 

[Tulessa]

I have sent this to the National Audubon Society. Maybe they can help.

 

[Skully]

Rusty? I think that's great! It would have taken me a month. I regret I didn't continue with my artistic talents after becoming a mother.

Can you make one with the wings straight? To make it less girly? Or do straight wings not line up with the circle properly?

I can change the wings to be straight out, but not sure that will make a lot of difference in what we are looking for. I chose this pose for the bird because after looking at most of the artist drawings of Hawks in the sun or moon in the background, this is the most common one. I bet this was an artist that silk screened his work on T Shirts and sold them at malls or art fairs, things like that. The paint is good, as the orange stayed bright. As you can see it is not an iron on as you would be able to see the cracks on the fabric as it dries and wears. If it is a silk screen method, it is done in stages, the background is first then the bird would be screened on next and then details. So if there are talons on the body, they could have been in a lighter color that the stain is covering up or they faded over time. Just some ideas I thought about. Glad you like the drawing, took me about an hour. So I could do a better one if the detective want something else. Also we can run it in one of the image google searches now, see what we get.

 

[Skully]

shortened the tail feathers a little. Looks a bit better.

 

[Skully]

Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I'm not going to be around for a few days. I need a break -- was having nightmares about being dive-bombed by birds of prey carrying squirrels. I didn't check all last night's post but it looks like a lot more good observations and finds going on. I'll bet by the time I get back, you'll have solved this for sure

My admiration is boundless for people like lcsodetectives and mmarty who can do this day in and day out and still hang onto their dedication and determination. My hat's off to you.

eta: Oh, yeah -- that orange background. I looked at it again before I went to bed, and I'm not convinced it's circular. Looking on the enlarged photo, the fabric grain seems pretty straight, like there's minimal stretching. Of course there could be tearing or folding. But the orange doesn't quite line up.

BBM

That bothered me too. But while studying the drawing on the fabric, there is an area that is folded, so if you stretch it out, it may just be round. When they get it back maybe a better picture will yield more.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I see the head now, but I don't want to point it out, because it will be forever in you mind's eye, if I do. If you see it, just post it. I will do some rendering today and post them.

Skully, I think I see where you are talking about but the eye seems too big.


**In little Caylee Anthony's case, so many of us poured and poured over the area she was found in and we 'saw' all kinds of things that was proven not to be there.

My perception is that the original shirt color may have been yellow with an orange moon or sun behind a falcon or hawk.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I see a very dirty white t-shirt with an orange sun/moon and a white bird drawn with black lines. It's likely to have blood on the picture causing misperceptions of eyes and such.