NY - $250m fraud against Former President Donald Trump, Trump Org., Eric, Donald Jr., Sept 2022, Trial 2 Oct 2023, #2

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Tuesday, Dec. 12th:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 43) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge). Closing arguments on 1/11/24.
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace,
Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
Trump’s request for an expedited grant of leave to appeal the gag orders in his civil fraud trial was denied Monday (12/5/23) afternoon. Trump still has an avenue to appeal the decision to a higher court; however, the effort will take longer than his lawyers would like. Trump’s lawyers now face a deadline of Monday, Dec. 11 to file their papers to the First Department.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-41 (10/2-12/7/23) reference post #365 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-17
12/8/23 Notes: The second day of testimony from the defense's expert accounting witness prompted an argument between attorneys for the two sides over the basic question of what the case is about -- leading defense lawyers to make their fourth unsuccessful request for a directed verdict to end the trial. The arguments came toward the end of direct testimony by accounting expert defense Bartov, who asserted the NYAG's case lacked merit because there was no evidence of any fraud on Trump's statements of financial condition & that any errors about the values of Trump's properties were unintentional & therefore immaterial. The exchange prompted Trump's legal spokesperson, Alina Habba, to make the defense's fourth motion for a directed verdict, arguing that Engoron is "wasting our time" if he won't consider their expert testimony. "They have not proven their case. They haven't," Habba said in her request for a directed verdict. "Denied," Engoron said within seconds of the request, without hearing a response from lawyers for the NYAG.
The defense's accounting expert, Eli Bartov, was paid approximately $877,500 for his expert analysis, the New York University professor testified. Bartov said he was paid an hourly rate of $1,350 for 650 hours of work, receiving payments from the Trump Organization & Trump's Save America PAC. The state's lone expert witness, Michiel McCarty, was paid roughly $350,000 for his testimony.
12/8/23 Friday, Trial Day 42: Defense witness: NYU accounting Professor Eli Bartov back on stand.
For more info see post #328 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-17
Bartov will have to return to court on Tuesday, 12/12/23 to conclude his testimony, after his direct examination ran longer than expected. After Bartov's direct examination concluded, State attorney Louis Solomon began his cross-examination -- but the parties agreed to adjourn for the day & resume the cross-examination next week. Trump is scheduled to be the only witness on Monday, 12/11/23. Once Bartov concludes his testimony, NYAG Letitia James plans to present a brief rebuttal case. Bench Trial continues on Monday, 12/11/23.
12/11/23 Update: The NY Times is reporting that two people with knowledge of Trump’s decision not to testify said it is because his lawyers were concerned that it would do more harm than good. And that while trump thinks he can often talk himself out of trouble, this time he has heeded the advice.
New York State AG: Donald Trump already testified in our fraud case against him. Whether or not he testifies again tomorrow, we have already proven that he committed years of financial fraud and unjustly enriched himself.No matter how much he tries to distract from reality, the facts don’t lie. The New York Office of Court Administration has confirmed the Trump civil fraud trial is dark tomorrow. That’s all thanks to Trump’s decision against testifying.
The trial will continue Tuesday, 12/12/23 with the cross-examination of the defense's accounting expert Eli Bartov. Once Bartov concludes his testimony, Trump's defense case is expected to rest. Lawyers for the NYAG plan to present a brief rebuttal case, which might conclude as early as Tuesday. Closing arguments in the case are scheduled for 1/11/24 & a written decision in the case may come in late January.
Trial continues on Tuesday, 12/12/23.
for more info see post #341 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-18
 
Judge Arthur Engoron will allow the New York attorney general to call two witnesses during the state's rebuttal case once the defense rests its case -- over the objection of Trump attorney Chris Kise.

"The government has held these witnesses back," Kise said, arguing against the decision.

While state attorney Kevin Wallace maintained that their two rebuttal witnesses -- Cornell professor Eric Lewis and former Trump Organization executive Kevin Sneddon -- would only address arguments already made in court, Kise argued that the witnesses would be used to backfill evidence that the defense team would not be able to address fully.

"It's not rebuttal. It's filling a hole," Kise said, accusing the state of "gamesmanship" by withholding evidence.

Unconvinced by Kise's argument, Engoron ruled that the witnesses would still be permitted to testify.

"I see no reason not to allow these two purported experts to testify," Engoron said.

In response, Trump's defense attorneys suggested they might attempt to present an additional witness after the state's rebuttal case.
Trump attorney accuses state of withholding witnesses
 
In a social media post this morning, Donald Trump claimed he "wanted to testify on Monday" but blamed his decision not to testify on the trial's limited gag order, which prohibits Trump from commenting on Judge Engoron's staff.
[snip]
"Anyway, the Judge, Arthur Engoron, put a GAG ORDER on me, even when I testify, totally taking away my constitutional right to defend myself. We are appealing, but how would you like to be a witness and not be allowed free snd [sic] honest speech," Trump wrote today.
Trump fraud trial live updates: Trump cites limited gag order for decision to not testify
 
tlcya said:
In a social media post this morning, Donald Trump claimed he "wanted to testify on Monday" but blamed his decision not to testify on the trial's limited gag order, which prohibits Trump from commenting on Judge Engoron's staff.
[snip]
"Anyway, the Judge, Arthur Engoron, put a GAG ORDER on me, even when I testify, totally taking away my constitutional right to defend myself. We are appealing, but how would you like to be a witness and not be allowed free snd [sic] honest speech," Trump wrote today.
Trump fraud trial live updates: Trump cites limited gag order for decision to not testify
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What utter b******t!!
 
tlcya said:
In a social media post this morning, Donald Trump claimed he "wanted to testify on Monday" but blamed his decision not to testify on the trial's limited gag order, which prohibits Trump from commenting on Judge Engoron's staff.
[snip]
"Anyway, the Judge, Arthur Engoron, put a GAG ORDER on me, even when I testify, totally taking away my constitutional right to defend myself. We are appealing, but how would you like to be a witness and not be allowed free snd [sic] honest speech," Trump wrote today.
Trump fraud trial live updates: Trump cites limited gag order for decision to not testify
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Since he acts like a child, I'll respond likewise, "Liar, liar, pants on fire. Nose as long as a telephone wire."

That is not why he didn't testify.

Plus, if his defense is "the judge's clerk doesn't like me!", that does not address the facts of the case against him. This statement certainly confirms he has no defense.

p.s. I'm willing to bet it's rather common for court officials not to like defendants. Clerk officials are grown-ups and professional, though, and they do their job according to the law, no matter who the defendant. He is not special.

jmo
 
Inthedetails said:
Since he acts like a child, I'll respond likewise, "Liar, liar, pants on fire. Nose as long as a telephone wire."

That is not why he didn't testify.

Plus, if his defense is "the judge's clerk doesn't like me!", that does not address the facts of the case against him. This statement certainly confirms he has no defense.

p.s. I'm willing to bet it's rather common for court officials not to like defendants. Clerk officials are grown-ups and professional, though, and they do their job according to the law, no matter who the defendant. He is not special.

jmo
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emphasis by me, ah but therein lies the crux. He is. You don't even have to ask him for him to tell ya so. He truly believes he is. And if he believes he is it must certainly be so. [sarcasm alert]
 
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This will be my last post as I am getting a new laptop - my old one is dying - so will not be back until Friday or maybe even Saturday.

Wednesday, Dec. 13:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 44) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23 & rested on 12/12/23. State started their rebuttal on 12/12/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge). Closing arguments on 1/11/24.
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday, 11/16/23 & NY AG Letitia James & representatives for Judge Arthur Engoron have until Wednesday, 11/22/23 to file a response to the appellate judge's stay of the limited gag order imposed last month on Trump by Engoron, according to the appellate judge's order. Trump's reply is then due on 11/27/23 before the appellate court decides whether to fully lift the gag order. The civil fraud trial is expected to wrap up in mid-December.
Trump’s request for an expedited grant of leave to appeal the gag orders in his civil fraud trial was denied Monday (12/5/23) afternoon. Trump still has an avenue to appeal the decision to a higher court; however, the effort will take longer than his lawyers would like. Trump’s lawyers now face a deadline of Monday, Dec. 11 to file their papers to the First Department.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-42 (10/2-12/8/23) reference post #345 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-18
12/12/23 Notes: Judge Arthur Engoron will allow the New York attorney general to call two witnesses during the state's rebuttal case once the defense rests its case -- over the objection of Trump attorney Chris Kise. Their two rebuttal witnesses are Cornell professor Eric Lewis & former Trump Organization executive Kevin Sneddon. Unconvinced by Kise's argument, Engoron ruled that the witnesses would still be permitted to testify. "I see no reason not to allow these two purported experts to testify," Engoron said. In response, Trump's defense attorneys suggested they might attempt to present an additional witness after the state's rebuttal case.
12/12/23 Tuesday, Trial Day 43: Defense witness: NYU accounting Professor Eli Bartov back on stand to finish cross examination.
For more info see post #346 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-18
Trump's defense case is expected to rest. Lawyers for the NYAG plan to present a brief rebuttal case, which might conclude as early as Tuesday. Closing arguments in the case are scheduled for 1/11/24 & a written decision in the case may come in late January.
Trump's lawyers rested their case in the former president's fraud trial, making their fifth motion to end in the trial. “There is no way I am going to grant that,” Judge Arthur Engoron responded. “You’d be wasting your time.”
State rebuttal witnesses: Kevin Sneddon, a managing director at Trump International Realty between 2011 & 2012. Eric Lewis, who Judge Engoron qualified as an expert in accounting.
for more info see post #356 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-18
Trial continues on Wednesday, 12/13/23.
 
Niner said:
This will be my last post as I am getting a new laptop - my old one is dying - so will not be back until Friday or maybe even Saturday.

Wednesday, Dec. 13:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 44) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23 & rested on 12/12/23. State started their rebuttal on 12/12/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge). Closing arguments on 1/11/24.
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday, 11/16/23 & NY AG Letitia James & representatives for Judge Arthur Engoron have until Wednesday, 11/22/23 to file a response to the appellate judge's stay of the limited gag order imposed last month on Trump by Engoron, according to the appellate judge's order. Trump's reply is then due on 11/27/23 before the appellate court decides whether to fully lift the gag order. The civil fraud trial is expected to wrap up in mid-December.
Trump’s request for an expedited grant of leave to appeal the gag orders in his civil fraud trial was denied Monday (12/5/23) afternoon. Trump still has an avenue to appeal the decision to a higher court; however, the effort will take longer than his lawyers would like. Trump’s lawyers now face a deadline of Monday, Dec. 11 to file their papers to the First Department.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-42 (10/2-12/8/23) reference post #345 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-18
12/12/23 Notes: Judge Arthur Engoron will allow the New York attorney general to call two witnesses during the state's rebuttal case once the defense rests its case -- over the objection of Trump attorney Chris Kise. Their two rebuttal witnesses are Cornell professor Eric Lewis & former Trump Organization executive Kevin Sneddon. Unconvinced by Kise's argument, Engoron ruled that the witnesses would still be permitted to testify. "I see no reason not to allow these two purported experts to testify," Engoron said. In response, Trump's defense attorneys suggested they might attempt to present an additional witness after the state's rebuttal case.
12/12/23 Tuesday, Trial Day 43: Defense witness: NYU accounting Professor Eli Bartov back on stand to finish cross examination.
For more info see post #346 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-18
Trump's defense case is expected to rest. Lawyers for the NYAG plan to present a brief rebuttal case, which might conclude as early as Tuesday. Closing arguments in the case are scheduled for 1/11/24 & a written decision in the case may come in late January.
Trump's lawyers rested their case in the former president's fraud trial, making their fifth motion to end in the trial. “There is no way I am going to grant that,” Judge Arthur Engoron responded. “You’d be wasting your time.”
State rebuttal witnesses: Kevin Sneddon, a managing director at Trump International Realty between 2011 & 2012. Eric Lewis, who Judge Engoron qualified as an expert in accounting.
for more info see post #356 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-18
Trial continues on Wednesday, 12/13/23.
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Thank you, Old Laptop, for all your service! Welcome to New Laptop - hope you can keep up.
 
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