Deceased/Not Found NY - Etan Patz, 6, New York, 25 May 1979 #1 *P. Hernandez guilty*

[wfgodot]

I hope this all is NOT political. Isn't there a new DA ?

The New York County DA is Cyrus Vance Jr. He's been in office since 2010.

 

[epiphany]

Am I interpreting this accurately-are several MSM outlets reporting that OM is now considered a suspect?

 

[Pookie's Mom]

Hi I have been lurking on this site for a while now, and I joined a couple of months ago, but this will be my first post. Ever since I read that Etan had an 8 year old brother, I have been wondering why wasn't the brother walking with him to the bus stop.

Respectfully snipped:

Etan had an 8 year old sister. She had a hard time getting up for school in the mornings and her mother almost let her stay home that day, but then got her up late anyway. Etan was so eager to walk to the bus stop that he was up bright and early. Hope that helps. This is from the book "After Etan" by the way.

 

[epiphany]

IMO, OM's previous alibi may have some holes in it now.

Miller, identified as a suspect in the long-unsolved cold case, was seen giving Patz a $1 salary for his help at work on the night before the little boy made his first solo trip to the bus.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...tan-patz-case-article-1.1064895#ixzz1sbb9Ix4W

The decades-old international hunt for the lost 6-year-old’s remains refocused Thursday on his old neighborhood — and a neighbor seen with the boy on the eve of his disappearance.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ins-etan-patz-article-1.1064138#ixzz1sbbKxIUk

 

[epiphany]

Ramos acknowledges that he is a pedophile.

IMO, another major problem concerning Ramos and this case is that he also sounds certifiable to me. Anyone know if he is a diagnosed schizophrenic?

 

[epiphany]

F.B.I. agents were seen escorting Mr. Miller to his apartment in Brooklyn on Thursday afternoon; a law enforcement official said investigators had tried to elicit information from him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/n...emains.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=todayspaper

Sounds like investigators were unsuccessful in their attempt to glean any info from OM.

 

[DevilsPlayThing]

Yeah, I'd wait until some MSM confirmed this. I don't trust the Daily Mail, it's a tabloid.

Wow - did you even click the link before making that statement ? The Daily Mail sites New York Magazine and The New York Post in their Etan article. The photos used are Associated Press, Reuters, ABC News, AfterEtan.Com and Patz Imaging - Etan Patz own Father of Patz Imaging. Among others. Their articles are in depth - and comparable to what is reported in MSM. More of a collaboration - instead of going to 3 or 4 different sites - the same information - with high quality pics + maps and sometimes new information - or information long forgotten is included. Very in depth. Not embellished. The Etan article is frequently updated as well. All of their online articles are this way. They actually site sources - unlike other so called MSM. I realize the paper version of The Daily Mail has a reputation. The online version is quite something different. And different staff runs the online version. If you read the article and spent time on the site and found discrepancies as to what is being reported elsewhere - then I sincerely do apologize. If you never bothered to read the online article there before making that blanket statement - that is a problem to me. I spent a very long time reading the article last night - then uploading pics to share here. All from Daily Mail then I linked to the article. So many photos there of the family and Etan himself. I wanted to share with anyone who cared. The missing posters the Father made himself 33 years ago - and the brother and father holding that photo are on Daily Mail - and some photos not easily found were all in one place. The Daily Mail article.

 

[AnaTeresa]

The Daily Mail is really a tabloid rag.

 

[officer'swife 2010]

I've never heard of little Etan until now probably because I was born after, it's very interesting how they are searching now and I pray the family gets peace. I have a little blue eye boy and I just couldn't imagine

 

[SoBeCzar]

F.B.I. agents were seen escorting Mr. Miller to his apartment in Brooklyn on Thursday afternoon; a law enforcement official said investigators had tried to elicit information from him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/n...emains.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=todayspaper

Sounds like investigators were unsuccessful in their attempt to glean any info from OM.

The link says he blurted out "What if the body was moved?" He may not be trying to help but he said a a lot there.

 

[wfgodot]

The Daily Mail is really a tabloid rag.

Its politics are odious and a good many of its articles exploit middle class fears, I agree. A little sifting, though, and one can find much of use in posting at a venue like WS; its reporting of criminal matters has, I've found, been quite accurate. (Its headlines do tend to pump the volume up a bit: the cadaver dogs hit on "the stench of death," for example.)

At least it's not the Sun. (Or, to toss in a bit of cockney rhyming slang, the Currant Bun.)

(n.b. It does get a big "fail" for reporting the Amanda Knox case, I will agree. It's come a ways since some terrible reporting early on there.)

 

[Rougelatete]

Ramos acknowledges that he is a pedophile.

IMO, another major problem concerning Ramos and this case is that he also sounds certifiable to me. Anyone know if he is a diagnosed schizophrenic?

I haven't found anything yet about him being diagnosed but he definitely has indicators, including living in the drainpipe. As is mostly common knowledge, a disproportionate percentage of the homeless population has some form of major mental illness with diagnoses on the schizophrenic spectrum being among the top.

The retired NYPD detective who initially questioned Ramos said he had this to say:

'I'm under a lot of pressure. I hear voices. I'm lured to these boys.’

And

“They gave Ramos a 730; a psych exam, and put him in Bellevue. I didn't hear back from the ADA for a long, long time so I finally called and they said, ‘We mailed subpoenas to the victims' home and they didn't show up so we dismissed the case. We released (Ramos).’ I said, ‘Are you kidding me?‘

If he was sent to Bellevue instead of the local jail, I'm assuming he didn't fare so well on the psych exam.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...mos-killed-etan-patz-article-1.1064575?pgno=1

 

[karen7868]

Hi I have been lurking on this site for a while now, and I joined a couple of months ago, but this will be my first post. Ever since I read that Etan had an 8 year old brother, I have been wondering why wasn't the brother walking with him to the bus stop. 8 years old, he probably would have been in the second or third grade, did he go to another school for some reason, or did he maybe have something like a doctors appointment that day or something?? Just wondering. Not that I think the family had anything to do with Etan's disappearance, because in this case I don't, I have just been wondering about this tiny little detail. If Etan knew he would be alone, and told someone like Miller, that would explain things.

It was actually an 8 yr. old sister and a 2 yr. old brother. Unfortunately, his sister was not finished getting ready yet so he left ahead of her.

I think this is the article I read last night that mentions it. Hope this helps.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...=XkYyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=P-gFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2082,61931

 

[AnaTeresa]

Its politics are odious and a good many of its articles exploit middle class fears, I agree. A little sifting, though, and one can find much of use in posting at a venue like WS; its reporting of criminal matters has, I've found, been quite accurate. (Its headlines do tend to pump the volume up a bit: the cadaver dogs hit on "the stench of death," for example.)

At least it's not the Sun. (Or, to toss in a bit of cockney rhyming slang, the Currant Bun.)

BBM. Very true! And even the National Enquirer is right once in a blue moon (cough John Edwards cough).

 

[karen7868]

Wow - did you even click the link before making that statement ? The Daily Mail sites New York Magazine and The New York Post in their Etan article. The photos used are Associated Press, Reuters, ABC News, AfterEtan.Com and Patz Imaging - Etan Patz own Father of Patz Imaging. Among others. Their articles are in depth - and comparable to what is reported in MSM. More of a collaboration - instead of going to 3 or 4 different sites - the same information - with high quality pics + maps and sometimes new information - or information long forgotten is included. Very in depth. Not embellished. The Etan article is frequently updated as well. All of their online articles are this way. They actually site sources - unlike other so called MSM. I realize the paper version of The Daily Mail has a reputation. The online version is quite something different. And different staff runs the online version. If you read the article and spent time on the site and found discrepancies as to what is being reported elsewhere - then I sincerely do apologize. If you never bothered to read the online article there before making that blanket statement - that is a problem to me. I spent a very long time reading the article last night - then uploading pics to share here. All from Daily Mail then I linked to the article. So many photos there of the family and Etan himself. I wanted to share with anyone who cared. The missing posters the Father made himself 33 years ago - and the brother and father holding that photo are on Daily Mail - and some photos not easily found were all in one place. The Daily Mail article.

I love The Daily Mail. They have a lot of typos sometimes, but they seem to always have the most up to date pictures that are usually very clear and a good viewable size.

 

[Kimster]

Okay, let's agree that we can take the Daily Mail with a grain of salt if we want. But the Daily Mail could have facts when they source other media sites.

It's not worth going off the tracks.

 

[wfgodot]

I love The Daily Mail. They have a lot of typos sometimes, but they seem to always have the most up to date pictures that are usually very clear and a good viewable size.

The esteemed broadsheet the Guardian - one of my favorite reads - once was pocked with so many typos it was nicknamed "the Grauniad" by the satirical magazine Private Eye.

Okay, I'm back on track now.

 

[epiphany]

Etan Patz Case: Ray Kelly Discusses Search For Missing Child On 'Good Day New York' (VIDEO)

Kelly explained the reopening of the case and FBI tactics:

"The Manhattan district attorney requested (the case) be reopened in 2010. The FBI used cadaver dogs and brought in mats. They placed the mats on the floor and the dogs made a positive ID of those mats. Yesterday, they (investigators) did precise measurements. The next four days they'll go in there and remove the concrete."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...z-greg-kelly-good-day-new-york_n_1440811.html

 

[AnaTeresa]

The only thing that concerns me about this, is that given the age of the building, there's a chance that if the dogs are hitting on something, it happened far before Etan. I've seen lots of articles recently about archeology finds in the city when they've been going into replace pipes and I even believe some slave graves were found a few years ago. I'm guessing quite a few old buildings in some of the cities on the East Coast would have hits from cadaver dogs in their basement.

I'm hoping its Etan, but I really hope if it's not, that the parents don't take it too hard.

 

[officer'swife 2010]

Did I hear right on NG that it could take up to 5 days to finish digging in the building?