Deceased/Not Found NY - Etan Patz, 6, New York, 25 May 1979 #2 *P. Hernandez guilty*

[gregjrichards]

This is a very historical case. I'm surprised more people aren't following it here at WS. I expected more updates

I don't think many members know it is going on. It's a pity this part of the forum is tucked down at the bottom as it can be easy to forget to check down here. I have to keep reminding myself to check about Etan's trial and sometimes I forget. There isn't a lot of news articles so far either about the case.

I hope Etan's parents get justice as I have no doubt this guy did this. Just my opinion.

 

[dotr]

Lengthy (5 page) article


By Lisa R. Cohen
Published May 3, 2009

Rbbm.
Wondering about any connection between the presently accused saying he putting the body out with garbage and the ' junk collector"? imo.
Two excerpts..
http://nymag.com/news/features/56441/

"In 1979, Jose Antonio Ramos was a 35-year-old bearded drifter with flat, dark eyes and an unexpectedly soft voice who collected junk to sell around lower Manhattan. He lived in Alphabet City, at 234 East 4th Street, a building that today is coveted real estate but was then a quasi–shooting gallery, home to tough characters and struggling artists. (Madonna would live there, briefly.) One former resident recalls an encounter with Ramos from his childhood: Playing with his sister in their bedroom, the boy saw a row of toy soldiers and an old Barbie magically appear outside the window, suspended by invisible wire. Opening the window, he reached toward a toy. The line was yanked up a few inches. Leaning out, he spotted Ramos up on the fire escape, gesturing for him to climb the rusty metal stairs. Instead, he slammed the window shut and told his sister not to say a word about what had happened."


Wonder if Ramos is still Jewish?? Wonder what motivated the conversion?.....
http://nymag.com/news/features/56441/index1.html


" Ramos had popped up in prison in Pennsylvania. It turned out he’d been traveling around in an old school bus, and had made the mistake of targeting his victims at annual gatherings of the loose hippie community, the Rainbow Family of Living Light. It didn’t take too long for the guy handing out toys to arouse suspicion, and by 1987, Ramos had been sentenced to three and a half to seven years for corruption of a minor and indecent assault—on a 5-year-old."

<Snip>


&#8220;No, it&#8217;s true. Look, I want to tell you everything,&#8221; Ramos said. But then he asked for a lawyer. A few days later, he came in wearing a yarmulke&#8212;to signal his newfound, self-proclaimed Jewish roots&#8212;with a legal-aid attorney, who advised him to remain silent. The statute of limitations on a nine-year-old molestation crime had run out. GraBois had to find another way to get more."

 

[Fifth Avenue]

Jessica Schneider CBS via Twitter:

EtanPatz's father and sister (in wheelchair) walk into court for Day #4 of trial. Photo http://t.co/McQUpvEbx6

Court opens w defense renewing motion for mistrial same grounds as Tues: witness Juan Santana should not have been declared hostile witness.
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Bottom line for mistrial motion: defense says under case law, state can't put up witness and then declare hostile on immaterial facts
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Judge reaffirms his denial for mistrial: “I believe I was correct," but will review transcript & see if it changes mind on mistrial motion
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Pros reveals Juan Santana was on medication and had med procedure recently: defense takes opp to say that Santana shouldn't have testified
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This is a photo of witness Juan Santana THEN; he was cashier at bodega. Standing w NYPD Det Butler (now deceased) http://t.co/kqNolyK7oq
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Jury seeing pictures of bodega 1979. What a different world SoHo was back then, w performance artists in streets! http://t.co/Bgic2dUQYu


https://twitter.com/JSchneiderTV/




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[epiphany]

<snip> However, Santana&#8217;s testimony placed Hernandez at the bodega on Prince Street and West Broadway on May 25, 1979. Etan was headed to the store with $1 in his hand on the morning he disappeared, his mother said.

<snip> ...But on the witness stand Thursday, Santana testified it was not Hernandez&#8217;s last day of work at the store.

As for Hernandez&#8217;s defense of having a low IQ and mental illness, Santana testified his brother-in-law always seemed normal to him.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/02...dant-at-bodega-the-day-etan-patz-disappeared/

 

[epiphany]

Yesterday's testimony:

<snip> Before he took the stand, neighborhood mother Karen Jansons, who knew Etan, said she found his lunch box near the school bus stop the day before he disappeared.

She took it to the bodega for safe keeping and later learned that Etan went there to pick it up, placing him at the supposed crime scene the day before he disappeared forever.

<snip> In grand jury testimony in 2012, Santana said Hernandez&#8217;s last day working at the grocery store was the day Etan went missing but he testified Tuesday that Hernandez worked there at least another week.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...atz-allegedly-died-searched-article-1.2102717

 

[gregjrichards]

"A former member of a New Jersey church group testified on Thursday that a deli worker accused of kidnapping and murdering of Etan Patz in 1979 confessed the crimes to him during a religious retreat later that year.

Ramon Rodriguez, 75, told a Manhattan court on Thursday that Pedros Hernandez had admitted to the kidnapping and murder of Etan Patz

Pedro Hernandez is accused of the kidnapping and murder of the 6-year-old boy who vanished on May 25, 1979 while walking to a school bus stop in Manhattan's Soho neighborhood. It was his first day of going to school by himself.

His body was never found, but in 2001 he was declared legally dead."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hs-later-religious-retreat.html#ixzz3QvtwgngV

All updates about the case are much appreciated I will post any articles I find.

 

[epiphany]

<snip> Mr. Rodriguez said that Mr. Hernandez had told him he was working at a grocery store when he abducted a child. He said Mr. Hernandez told him: &#8220; &#8216;Every day I see kids walking by and I took one of those kids to the basement and offered him a soda. Then I took a stick and I shoved him a lot.&#8217; &#8221;

<snip> Answering questions from prosecutors, Mr. Rodriguez said Mr. Hernandez had told him nothing about sexually abusing the child, but later, on cross-examination, he revised his testimony and claimed Mr. Hernandez had also confessed to sodomizing the boy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/n...witness-says-defendant-confessed-to-him.html?

 

[bettybaby00]

so a picture and his confession thats the evidence ..wheres the body...Man I can not stand people that do this **** .maybe iam way off here but for some reason things like this bother me even more then hearing about a murder maybe its just me that thinks like that but its how i feel . where is his body ?

When a child is involved it just makes things so much more evil for most people...he was such a cute little boy, I wish it was being covered more extensively.

And I had trouble finding the thread on the day the trial started, thank goodness for the search feature!

Thanks to everyone posting updates.

 

[epiphany]

When a child is involved it just makes things so much more evil for most people...he was such a cute little boy, I wish it was being covered more extensively.

And I had trouble finding the thread on the day the trial started, thank goodness for the search feature!

Thanks to everyone posting updates.

Respectfully BBM ^^

<snip> In a separate hearing earlier Friday in the appellate division, a group of media organizations, including The Wall Street Journal, challenged Judge Maxwell Wiley &#8217;s decisions to conduct several closed sessions and to seal certain trial records.

The organizations want the appeals court to order that the records be unsealed and that Judge Wiley be ordered to stop closing hearings without letting the media argue against it.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/witness-details-accuseds-confession-in-etan-patz-trial-1423252545


Etan Patz's trial must be public
Closing the courtroom without explanation is simply unacceptable

<snip> He [Justice Maxwell Wiley] conducted preliminary screening of jurors in secret. In proceedings before opening arguments, he closed the court three times and said he&#8217;ll do it again if he wants to.

He refused to make available copies of Hernandez&#8217; videotaped confession even after it was played in open court. He refused to allow the press to obtain copies of jury questionnaires.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/editorial-etan-patz-trial-public-article-1.2106325

 

[epiphany]

Second pal says Hernandez confessed to Etan Patz murder

<snip> “At this moment, Pedro was crying,” recalled Concepcion through a Spanish translator. “He said that he worked in a bodega here in New York, he grabbed a child, he gave him a soda, he took him to the basement and in the basement he said that he abused him .&#8201;.&#8201;. he said, ‘I cut him. After I cut him,’ he said, ‘I put him in a plastic bag and I threw him in the garbage.’&#8201;”

http://nypost.com/2015/02/07/second-pal-says-hernandez-confessed-to-etan-patz-murder/


Witnesses Detail Confession in Etan Patz Trial
At a 1979 Church Group Meeting, Pedro Hernandez Admitted Killing 6-Year-Old, Witnesses Say

<snip> Mr. Gonzalez said he initially told police he remembered nothing when they twice asked him in the spring of 2012 about the alleged confession.

“I didn’t say the truth,” he said. “Because I was afraid to show up in court.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/witness-details-accuseds-confession-in-etan-patz-trial-1423252545

 

[Fifth Avenue]

Michael Herzenberg, Time Warner Cable News via twitter:

Ex-wife of accused #etanpatz murderer says she a found piece of this missing poster in a shoe box in his closet http://t.co/VOEeppYDru


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[wfgodot]

Daily Mail:

EXCLUSIVE: 'I'm your son Etan. I've come home.' How on the eve of the trial of their son's alleged murderer,
the Patzes faced yet another agony 35 years after he vanished - and they fear case is not end of the mystery

&#8269; He arrived shortly after Hernandez confessed to the murder, a confession his lawyers now say was false
&#8269; He was not their son - but family are resigned to bizarre occurrences, because 35-year-old case has grip on the American psyche
&#8269; Parents have faced claims of splitting up because of the strain but are still married despite arriving separately at court
&#8269; Etan's mother and father do not believe current court case will solve the mystery
&#8269; Their daughter, Etan's sister, is in a wheelchair but guards her privacy so carefully it is still not known why
&#8269; Etan vanished after his mom sent him off from SoHo, Manhattan, home to the school bus by himself for the first time
&#8269; Case became 'Everychild' says author of book on mystery who says: 'Story triggers something in people who are unstable'

the story and pics at link above

 

[gregjrichards]

Daily Mail:

EXCLUSIVE: 'I'm your son Etan. I've come home.' How on the eve of the trial of their son's alleged murderer,
the Patzes faced yet another agony 35 years after he vanished - and they fear case is not end of the mystery

the story and pics at link above

Terrible the family have suffered enough without things like this happening. I feel so sorry for the Patz family you can see the pain of the last 35 years etched in their faces.

 

[gregjrichards]

"Two more figures from defendant Pedro Hernandez's past testified on Monday that he made comments in the early 1980s about having strangled someone in New York City.

In testimony at the Etan Patz murder trial, Mark Pike, Hernandez's former best friend from Camden, New Jersey, said Hernandez told him, "He was working in a supermarket and a kid threw a ball at his throat and he lost it. He said he strangled him. He put him in a bag in an alley."

Pike said that when he followed up with Hernandez, "He said he was a dark kid, and forget about it."

The conversation, which Pike said occurred on the front porch of Hernandez's family's house in 1980 or 1981, came up during a conversation of how tough one of Hernandez's younger brothers was, and he took it to be macho bragging.

"I didn't believe it at the time," he said"

http://www.newsday.com/news/new-yor...nted-about-having-strangled-someone-1.9920430

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[gregjrichards]

"Daisy Rivera, Hernandez's first wife, also testified about a conversation when they were courting, and Hernandez said he wanted to tell her about "something terrible."

"He was somewhere in New York and someone had approached him ... and he had felt violated," she recalled. " ... It got out of hand and it had ended up that he had put his hands around the neck and he had strangled him. He said that he put him in the dumpster."

"He cried," she said. "He said he had asked God for forgiveness, and he felt God had forgiven him, but he didn't want there to be any secrets."

http://www.newsday.com/news/new-yor...nted-about-having-strangled-someone-1.9920430

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[Fifth Avenue]

Jurors watch confession tape of Etan Patz’s accused killer

Pedro Hernandez confessed to law enforcement in 2012 to the murder of the 6-year-old boy who went missing in 1979.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...pe-etan-patz-accused-killer-article-1.2109771


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[gregjrichards]

"Jurors in the Etan Patz murder trial Tuesday got their first look at a videotape in which defendant Pedro Hernandez confesses to strangling the 6-year-old in 1979, but also recounts several key details at odds with facts described by other witnesses.

"I grabbed him by the neck," Hernandez says in one riveting sequence, putting his hands on his own throat to show how he says he throttled the little first-grader in a Soho bodega basement. "I wanted to let go but I couldn't . . . I felt like something just took over me."

http://www.newsday.com/news/new-yor...o-hernandez-s-videotaped-confession-1.9923804

Video of confession at the link above warning contains explicit language and graphic descriptions

Thanks for all your updates they are much appreciated.

 

[LLC]

"Daisy Rivera, Hernandez's first wife, also testified about a conversation when they were courting, and Hernandez said he wanted to tell her about "something terrible."

"He was somewhere in New York and someone had approached him ... and he had felt violated," she recalled. " ... It got out of hand and it had ended up that he had put his hands around the neck and he had strangled him. He said that he put him in the dumpster."

But let's marry him anyway. Ugh. God help me.

This case has stayed with me forever. I don't know about this new guy claiming he did it though...

 

[AddysMom7610]

So they found 3 boxes of evidence from 79?? Does anyone have a link to MSM that actually gives the full story? The only one I can find is one you have to subscribe to view the whole thing


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[wfgodot]

Long article from WNYC:

In Patz Trial, Defense Will Present a Different Suspect

In the late 1980s, Stuart GraBois, a federal prosecutor in New York, had become obsessed with the disappearance of a 6-year-old boy named Etan Patz. GraBois had worked with the Manhattan boy&#8217;s parents, interviewed police investigators and developed a theory: The boy, who had gone missing while on the way to school one morning in 1979, had been abducted and killed by a convicted pedophile named Jose Ramos.
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