NY - Five men gang rape 18 yo woman in Brooklyn playground, January 2016

[jjenny]

Since she is legally an adult, drinking alcohol would be on her. Father can't be charged with corruption of a minor because she isn't a minor.

 

[jjenny]

By the way if they took a video of any of the actual sex acts, police could charge them with making child *advertiser censored*. Even if children in question are themselves.

 

[rob]

By the way if they took a video of any of the actual sex acts, police could charge them with making child *advertiser censored*. Even if children in question are themselves.

"Would a 18 yr old be considered 'child' *advertiser censored*? Could she not do regular *advertiser censored* if she chose to?

If you saying, 'Yeah, it's lit,' I could tell you a freak,"

I agree with the rephrasing, if the perps claim they're asking her and they feel she is answering in the affirmative, they he is replying- If you're saying yeah, then it's totally great, I'm in. I could tell by what you're doing, you are a freak (or into freaky stuff)

I'm not saying that I think she was in agreement, or that she wasn't raped. They have the video and released it, so obviously THEY think it answers some questions or clears them.

 

[jjenny]

I am not talking about 18 year old. All of the suspects are under 18. If they took any videos of sex acts, they would be making child *advertiser censored* of themselves, which isn't legal per our laws. As for a man talking on video and claiming she agreed, from the description of the video, it sure looks like she wasn't talking at all. I don't know how one "feels" that somebody is answering in the affirmative if somebody isn't answering.

 

[BirdycatNY]

There is no "right" way to respond to trauma.

It's possible investigators are going through all video, SM and communications, and looking into where/who suspect(s) disseminated video/communications and affiliations. Why would someone decide to memorialize such an event?

Jmo/

 

[Momoffourboys]

There is no "right" way to respond to trauma.

It's possible investigators are going through all video, SM and communications, and looking into where/who suspect(s) disseminated video/communications and affiliations. Why someone would decide to memorialize such an event?

Jmo/

BBM
Because in 2016 every teenager has a smartphone...which they use to publicize everything. Even crimes.

 

[PowMom01]

That's not true. The bio dad lost custody and she was adopted by somebody else. She moved back to reconnect with the bio dad. The 39 year old man is the bio dad.

I was responding to the legality of the relationship. LEGALLY they are no longer related.

 

[Minette]

Since she is legally an adult, drinking alcohol would be on her. Father can't be charged with corruption of a minor because she isn't a minor.

What's the legal drinking age in NY? Here in Georgia 18 years old can't buy alcohol and giving it to them will get you in a lot of trouble. Some states have exemptions for parents giving alcohol to their children, but that raises the question of whether he is actually considered her parent under the law, as she was legally adopted by someone else.

 

[bluesneakers]

What's the legal drinking age in NY? Here in Georgia 18 years old can't buy alcohol and giving it to them will get you in a lot of trouble. Some states have exemptions for parents giving alcohol to their children, but that raises the question of whether he is actually considered her parent under the law, as she was legally adopted by someone else.

All US sates are 21.

 

[bluesneakers]

Since she is legally an adult, drinking alcohol would be on her. Father can't be charged with corruption of a minor because she isn't a minor.

She drank on her own free will, I'm sure, but he purchased, supplied, and let her drink in his presence. Since he's her bio-dad he knew she was under 21.

 

[epiphany]

State Profiles of Underage Drinking Laws
- New York -

Underage Drinking: Underage Possession of Alcohol

Possession is prohibited WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION(S):

parent/guardian


Underage Drinking: Underage Consumption of Alcohol

Consumption is not explicitly prohibited.


Underage Drinking: Internal Possession by Minors

Internal possession is not explicitly prohibited.


More here or for your state: https://alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/APIS_State_Profile.html?state=NY


Exceptions to the Rule

New York recognizes two exceptions to the general rule prohibiting minors from possessing or consuming alcohol.

Educational programs. Students may taste or consume alcoholic beverages in educational courses that are licensed or registered by the state department of education. This exception applies only when the consumption is a requirement of the course, and consumption is solely for instructional purposes during class. (New York Al. Bev. Con. Section 65-c.)

Adult family members. Minors may possess and consume alcohol that is provided by that minor’s parent or guardian. (New York Al. Bev. Con. Section 65-c (2)(b).)

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.co...-york-minor-possession-alcohol-charges-penalt


Drinking in public, that has not been permitted for decades (in NYC) now...though not sure why the park was even open at that time, anyway.

In any event, re the alcohol situation...appears father MAY suffer from alcoholism in which case would need treatment for disease not jail time imo

 

[ohreally]

I don't think these boys saw the father and daughter doing anything. If they saw any of that they would of filmed it IMO. Not even knowing the relationship I think they would of filmed.
My guess is that the two were smiling because they think that film is going to clear them, and they think they are going to get away with rape. If they were innocent of the charges I don't see them smiling. They would be mad for being accused of doing something they did not do. They would not be smiling. IMO

 

[Momoffourboys]

Four of five Brownsville gang rape suspects to be released from jail: sources

BROOKLYN, N.Y. – Four of five teenage suspects in the playground gang rape of an 18-year-old in Brownsville are expected to be released from jail Thursday, law enforcement sources told PIX11 News.

Three of those teens are expected to be released on bail and one without bail, those sources said.

A fifth suspect – 15-year-old Shaquelle Cooper – will not be released, authorities said. He’s being held on a different case from October in which a man was severely beaten -- pummeled, kicked and hit repeatedly with a bat.

A bail hearing is set for 2:30 p.m. Thursday, according to the DA's office.

The teens – ages 14, 15, 15, 17 and 17 – had been charged as adults, each with one count of rape, two counts of criminal sex act, and one count of sex abuse in connection with the Jan. 7 assault.


http://pix11.com/2016/01/14/four-of...pe-suspects-to-be-released-from-jail-sources/

 

[jjenny]

I was responding to the legality of the relationship. LEGALLY they are no longer related.

He is the biological father. You are related to your biological father, regardless of any legalities. You should take a look at the actual law.

 

[flourish]

I thought the point was that if he was her LEGAL father, there are some situations in some states that would make it legal for him to provide her with alcohol in certain situations. However, despite the fact that he's her biological father, he's not her legal father, so that would not apply, and furthermore, since they were drinking in public that would negate any legal right he would have had to provide her with alcohol had he been her LEGAL father, which is isn't, so that point is moot times two. So, in the sense we were discussing---whether or not it would be legal for him to provide her with alcohol at her age, it DOES matter about legalities...

 

[jjenny]

I thought the point was that if he was her LEGAL father, there are some situations in some states that would make it legal for him to provide her with alcohol in certain situations. However, despite the fact that he's her biological father, he's not her legal father, so that would not apply, and furthermore, since they were drinking in public that would negate any legal right he would have had to provide her with alcohol had he been her LEGAL father, which is isn't, so that point is moot times two. So, in the sense we were discussing---whether or not it would be legal for him to provide her with alcohol at her age, it DOES matter about legalities...

I was discussing it because of incest allegations made by the suspects (father denies it). In which case it doesn't matter if he is the legal father or not, as long as he is the biological father. You can look at the post I was responding to. Poster claimed it would be legal for the father and daughter to have sex because he isn't a "legal" father. That is not true.

 

[flourish]

Okay, back-tracked.

Just so I don't confuse myself any further, nor anyone else in the process, let me summarize a little?
It would be illegal for a sober 18-year old woman to have sex with her biological father in every state but New Jersey, where they can legally have intercourse but not marry. I'm not saying this particular father and daughter did anything of the sort, and we have no factual reason to think they did.
It was illegal for anyone to drink alcohol in the park they were at.
It was illegal for anyone to have sex in the park they were at.
It was illegal for the 18-year old to drink alcohol at all because she is under age 18 and her biological father is not her legal father so even if they weren't in the public park he didn't have legal authority to provide her with alcohol.
It was illegal for anyone to have sexual intercourse with the 18 year old young lady because she was intoxicated and unable to consent.
It was illegal for any of the boys to videotape any sexual activity between the young lady and any of their group because she did not and was unable to consent (I ASSume videotaping a rape is a separate crime but idk)
It was illegal for any of the under-18 boys to videotape any sexual activity between the young lady and any of the under-18 boys because they would then be producing child *advertiser censored*, as they themselves are under 18.

This whole thing is just a big awful horrid cluster *********.

And she was belligerent with the police, yeah? Biting and what-not? Thoughts? Was she intoxicated and freaking out because she wasn't sure what was going on or thought they were also attacking her or what do y'all think?

 

[Mountaingazer]

Okay, back-tracked.

Just so I don't confuse myself any further, nor anyone else in the process, let me summarize a little?
It would be illegal for a sober 18-year old woman to have sex with her biological father in every state but New Jersey, where they can legally have intercourse but not marry. I'm not saying this particular father and daughter did anything of the sort, and we have no factual reason to think they did.
It was illegal for anyone to drink alcohol in the park they were at.
It was illegal for anyone to have sex in the park they were at.
It was illegal for the 18-year old to drink alcohol at all because she is under age 18 and her biological father is not her legal father so even if they weren't in the public park he didn't have legal authority to provide her with alcohol.
It was illegal for anyone to have sexual intercourse with the 18 year old young lady because she was intoxicated and unable to consent.
It was illegal for any of the boys to videotape any sexual activity between the young lady and any of their group because she did not and was unable to consent (I ASSume videotaping a rape is a separate crime but idk)
It was illegal for any of the under-18 boys to videotape any sexual activity between the young lady and any of the under-18 boys because they would then be producing child *advertiser censored*, as they themselves are under 18.

This whole thing is just a big awful horrid cluster *********.

And she was belligerent with the police, yeah? Biting and what-not? Thoughts? Was she intoxicated and freaking out because she wasn't sure what was going on or thought they were also attacking her or what do y'all think?

Excellent summary!

I think she probably was aggressive towards the police because she was drunk, disoriented, and at the point was probably in a fight or flight mode. The police seemed to be understanding of her actions given the situation.

I feel so badly for her, it sounds like she has had a very difficult life and I hope she has a strong support system surrounding her right now.

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[bluesneakers]

Okay, back-tracked.

Just so I don't confuse myself any further, nor anyone else in the process, let me summarize a little?
It would be illegal for a sober 18-year old woman to have sex with her biological father in every state but New Jersey, where they can legally have intercourse but not marry. I'm not saying this particular father and daughter did anything of the sort, and we have no factual reason to think they did.
It was illegal for anyone to drink alcohol in the park they were at.
It was illegal for anyone to have sex in the park they were at.
It was illegal for the 18-year old to drink alcohol at all because she is under age 18 and her biological father is not her legal father so even if they weren't in the public park he didn't have legal authority to provide her with alcohol.
It was illegal for anyone to have sexual intercourse with the 18 year old young lady because she was intoxicated and unable to consent.
It was illegal for any of the boys to videotape any sexual activity between the young lady and any of their group because she did not and was unable to consent (I ASSume videotaping a rape is a separate crime but idk)
It was illegal for any of the under-18 boys to videotape any sexual activity between the young lady and any of the under-18 boys because they would then be producing child *advertiser censored*, as they themselves are under 18.

This whole thing is just a big awful horrid cluster *********.

And she was belligerent with the police, yeah? Biting and what-not? Thoughts? Was she intoxicated and freaking out because she wasn't sure what was going on or thought they were also attacking her or what do y'all think?

I think if she was belligerent with the police it might have been because she'd just been raped and assaulted and was reacting purely on those emotions, possibly fueled by alcohol. Or she might have been freaking out because she thought she was being arrested for drinking and having sex in the park. (The rape would be her word vs. the rapists' and we all know how that can go,)



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[katydid23]

I think if she was belligerent with the police it might have been because she'd just been raped and assaulted and was reacting purely on those emotions, possibly fueled by alcohol. Or she might have been freaking out because she thought she was being arrested for drinking and having sex in the park. (The rape would be her word vs. the rapists' and we all know how that can go,)



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I agree. I think she was pretty much out of her mind at that point. Scared, drunk, and been sexually assaulted by five punks in a cold wet park…ugghhhh….she had to have been in a panic by then.