Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #12

[upstate]

GR is certainly no master criminal based on his actions following this crime. He seemed bent on completing his alibi in as short a time as possible. First, he dumped Jenns body only 10 miles away, then the phone even closer to town/home, then the van even closer to home.

The clear implication was that it was a very local crime, with the killer heading back towards town and his own home and the crime being committed very early in the day. The master criminal in me would have thought, hey I have all day, she is suppposed to be going 70 miles away and being gone all day and i have an all day alibi for work. He could have driven 50 miles and diverted attention yet he made it look like a straight line back home, body, phone, van, Y and ride home in just a couple of hours. If the murder was premeditated, his actions after were certainly hasty and not thought out. Maybe he wanted the police to find the van on the way out to show where he found the phone but they did not. Instead it sat in plain sight for days (he must've been sweating that for a few days).

Bottom line is he drew a straight line right back to himself as prime suspect. He drew attention on his own town as the focus of some random predatory killer on the loose. If he had any brains he would have gone much closer to her supposed destination and not left all the evidence in his own back yard.

It just makes you :facepalm:

Makes me even angrier that there was such a lack of effort. He really thought so little of her - she wasn't even worth his effort to try and get away with it - JMO, of course.

 

[horsenaround60]

IMO, it was a bad choice of words on CM' s part - I know a few things that were well known from the day the van was found. There were several on onlookers that day and someone may have witnessed the find. My guess is, LE investigated and asked, "Did you see anyone put this bottle of pills or anything else into that dumpster?"

Again, just how I took what she was saying the day of court. I'm proud of these girls, Jillian and I are very camera shy so they are Jennifer's voice for these court appearances - unless someone else wants the job . . . We would love to have you :heart:

Im sorry, i didnt mean this to sound like i was being mean or putting anyone down! I commend all of you for speaking out for Jennifer! I didnt know about there being others there with LE that day! Thanks for explaining that! It makes sense now!

 

[upstate]

Im sorry, i didnt mean this to sound like i was being mean or putting anyone down! I commend all of you for speaking out for Jennifer! I didnt know about there being others there with LE that day! Thanks for explaining that! It makes sense now!

No need to apologize, I get why this question came to mind - I wish the girls could have been a little more constructive myself. I bet they were nervous and hopefully will be better prepared if the opportunity should arise again.

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

No personal items of Jennifer's were found at Center Road in the area near her body (accdg to media). So, presumably, her clothing was not found...unless, perhaps, they were found in her closet back home.

I do so love your forget-me-nots! I actually stole your photo and have it pasted on my computer start up page.

I'm glad you planted a garden in her honor. Noticed in recent media photos of their home that Jennifer's gardens had been neglected. No one had gone in and cleaned out the beds after the snows. I found that sad.

I didn't think I'd seen anything mentioned.

Thank you. They are lovely and I'm so glad that because of the cold spring everything has come out at once. You're more than welcome to steal the picture, it's about the least I can give you to say thank you.

That is sad. Just feels like he's tried to wipe out everything "Jennifer" that didn't fit the image he wanted people to have of her. I still get tearful every time I come to her thread.

 

[upstate]

<Mod Snip> I think it was planned. All that listing of everything she liked to eat and how she ate everything down to the condiments makes me think they considered poisoning her. I'm not sure if they did but I think it was considered. I have never seen a missing person list show up before with what a person liked to eat and not a good physical desciption of what they were wearing, hair color, correct vehicle color and all the information you would need to identify someone. I have never heard of anyone located based on what they ate. It just felt very wrong from the beginning. The placing of the phone, vehicle and Jennifer in different places to me shows it was planned. I know they made mistakes and that LE are going to find them.
I also think its weird it was mentioned she slept naked. It was odd to me it was mentioned kind of out of the blue and I think we will hear more about that.
Just my opinions thinking out loud.<Mod snip>

Such a great post and IMO what could be COD reached the same way as you. I just think the amount of time it took to make an arrest has made me think blunt force, strangulation or drugging her

Have we had any insight as to if the tox results did indeed take that long to come back or if they sat on the results for a time?

I am trying to get caught up on posts and I haven't come accross any definite answer to this or anything verified anyway

The lack of effort on disposing of her body and sloppiness to placement of her belongings are the reasons I suspect a more sudden death.

 

[zwiebel]

Nah, only amongst friends ~lol and you should never be embarrassed - You and Abigail are just bundles of knowledge, we are lucky to have you two

Ssshhh, don't tell anyone, but I don't really care about embarrassing myself for Jennifer - I'd happily do it every day for the rest of my life if necessary. I just want to see her regain her rightful place in the world, completely free from all the dishonourable people who managed to attach themselves to her and her name.

There is a beautiful little 5-year-old girl named April Jones in Wales, who was murdered by a distant relative. She hasn't been brought home. He 'can't remember' where he left her body. Today, after the guilty verdict, a spokesman for April's tiny community made a speech. I heard it on BBC radio. (I listen to English radio in Germany). He said how she will 'always be remembered', and how he knows the murderer will vanish, like a grain of dust. As though he never existed. He won't either. The Welsh will wipe him from history. Hearing it moved me so much.

That is my heartfelt wish for Jennifer too; that her name and her loveliness will live on and on and on. Her painting, her knitting, her making, her sardonic wit and irony (I'm English, I love it).

And that anyone who harmed her, betrayed her or tried to sully her name will vanish from history. Who cares what happens to them? Who cares how they feel about anything? Soon they will be gone and forgotten forever, I hope.

 

[nanasbabes]

Yeah, I have about 20 requests for "some" signs - I hope we can make this happen too

I think it was referring to the news video, Nans

I found out today they are 500.00 per 100 we r working on it

 

[zwiebel]

I found out today they are 500.00 per 100 we r working on it

Nanasbabes, you may have noticed I am a bit concerned about a lovely eighty-one-year old newlywed called Bob Harrod, who has been missing since 2009.

Because of the history of Bob's case, I love making donations in his name to good causes. Can you help me out?

 

[zwiebel]

I just watched a video and it made me so sad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpJhfdzaFOk
I'm not positive but I think a photo of the GF and Jennifer together in the video.
She had a beautiful life someone took.
I agree the pill bottle shows planning also. I'm wondering what he did with her artwork?

Is this just my arch-enemy-ipad-that-got-bought-for-me-when-I-didn't-want-one-anyway........or has that video been deleted now?

 

[zwiebel]

Abigail, visas are NOT required for travel to Trinidad and Tobago by EU passport holders (includes GR if he has a Dutch passport).

Neither are they required for US citizens not planning to stay more than three months.

So basically, hunting down visa applications for GR and any 'special friend' will be a waste of time, imo.

 

[LL8511]

The J4J site has grown just 5 away from 1300! Way to go to the admin! You and all the members should all be so proud. Its such a nice group of people so far and
you are doing an amazing job! Way to go Team Justice for Jennifer Ramsaran!
I think the fact that people are wanting to place signs around town shows how much people care!
Please try to make comments on Media sources as you have time thanking them for coverage ..... we will need them to stay with it. I think the fact that you got coverage at court was really fantastic and send a message to Ganesh and his attorney's. We are not going away. Way to go!

 

[LL8511]

Is this just my arch-enemy-ipad-that-got-bought-for-me-when-I-didn't-want-one-anyway........or has that video been deleted now?

It's still there. Sorry. The music chosen was perfect! I hope you can see it!

 

[zwiebel]

Grrrr. All I get is 'could not load movie'. Has anyone got the title so I can search direct on youtube? I might get to see it that way.

 

[Foxfire]

GR is certainly no master criminal based on his actions following this crime. He seemed bent on completing his alibi in as short a time as possible. First, he dumped Jenns body only 10 miles away, then the phone even closer to town/home, then the van even closer to home.

The clear implication was that it was a very local crime, with the killer heading back towards town and his own home and the crime being committed very early in the day. The master criminal in me would have thought, hey I have all day, she is suppposed to be going 70 miles away and being gone all day and i have an all day alibi for work. He could have driven 50 miles and diverted attention yet he made it look like a straight line back home, body, phone, van, Y and ride home in just a couple of hours. If the murder was premeditated, his actions after were certainly hasty and not thought out. Maybe he wanted the police to find the van on the way out to show where he found the phone but they did not. Instead it sat in plain sight for days (he must've been sweating that for a few days).

Bottom line is he drew a straight line right back to himself as prime suspect. He drew attention on his own town as the focus of some random predatory killer on the loose. If he had any brains he would have gone much closer to her supposed destination and not left all the evidence in his own back yard.

No such thing as a perfect crime, Bettylou4you. GRR's crime was too well planned. Most spouses don't have an established alibi. When LE didn't locate her cell, even though GRR lead them to the location to search, he insured that it was located. If GRR had placed her body 50 miles away, it may have never been found. The life insurance money/proceeds were very important to enable him to live his perceived lifestyle, imo...

 

[LL8511]

Grrrr. All I get is 'could not load movie'. Has anyone got the title so I can search direct on youtube? I might get to see it that way.

Happy Birthday Jennifer Renz Ramsaran is the title

 

[Abigail]

I'm trying to see about getting more J4J signs, yes they are in high demand! I have a gentleman that is willing to donate to the cause to help with purchase more as well. I'm working threw the channels to get them, (I hope) we can! Also the med bottle being found I missed were that came from. Can someone link it? I did write in the past about me taking one kind of her meds and do know how it feels without it. Thanks guys for everything being I been pretty busy.

The link to the pill bottle being found is a Daily Star article by Joe Mahoney
http://m.thedailystar.com/thedailys...il.htm?contentguid=PXUvBJbU&full=true#display

I found your old posting, where you were kind enough to take apart a Cymbalta capsule and taste it, and mentioned it looked like white sprinkles. That was quite helpful.

 

[Abigail]

I think he wanted the bottle found. IMO, he was thinking it would play into his suggestivly saying she was abusing her meds :facepalm:

I don't know...the meds she was taking don't lend themselves to being abused...and...how would he know that the pill bottle would be found in the dumpster? Why not just leave it in the van or by her body?

 

[Abigail]

Or the pills that were in it were used to poison her and he couldnt risk throwing it away at home cause he knew LE would be searching his home and would check the trash. But, what im wondering is why LE told CM about this find? They have been so quiet about any evidence all threw this and they still are. So. why would an investigator tell CM? What makes her so special? Maybe she witnessed GR throwing the bottle away in there?

Agree with Upstate on this, they may have been asking the residents at the apts -- "Did you see anyone throw anything into the dumpster?"

Or...the local residents were sort of hanging out in the parking lot, curiously observing the officers dumpster diving...and one officer pops up..."Look what I found!"...and turns to the residents..."Do any of you know anything about this?"

(I'm assuming it was one of the two dumpsters there -- Joe Mahoney used the word "trash bin")

I'm also wondering if there were other items found...maybe in a trash bag...along with the pill bottle...maybe they were wondering if it came from a resident's apartment...at that point in time they may have thought a resident was involved...remember, they weren't aware she was dead at that point...may have thought she had gone over there to stay with someone she knew.

Upstate, was CM at the arraignment? I don't remember her name being mentioned in the interviews? Yes, the young ladies did a nice job -- sincere and winsome.

ETA: and I'm sure those adorable young women were modest enough to NOT call a friend at 1 AM to ask how they did on the interview. (And CC thought GR wasn't narcissistic?)

I'm so glad LE was thorough enough to check the trash!

 

[Jilllian]

No personal items of Jennifer's were found at Center Road in the area near her body (accdg to media). So, presumably, her clothing was not found...unless, perhaps, they were found in her closet back home.

I do so love your forget-me-nots! I actually stole your photo and have it pasted on my computer start up page.

I'm glad you planted a garden in her honor. Noticed in recent media photos of their home that Jennifer's gardens had been neglected. No one had gone in and cleaned out the beds after the snows. I found that sad.

With all that Jen's parents have on their plate right now raising 3 grandchildren, taking them to after school activities, and all the other things involved with raising kids, not to mention mourning, I'm not surprised.

Plus, it might be considered trespassing, as GR has "no trespassing" signs on his property.

 

[Abigail]

With all that Jen's parents have on their plate right now raising 3 grandchildren, taking them to after school activities, and all the other things involved with raising kids, not to mention mourning, I'm not surprised.

Plus, it might be considered trespassing, as GR has "no trespassing" signs on his property.

Exactly...in fact, I think the picture(s?) I'm thinking of were taken just as he was arrested. So...if GR was only allowing the kids to communicate with their grandparents across the driveway, I'm sure he would not have welcomed them to come over and clean out the flower beds. And I'm sure it wouldn't have occurred to him to do it.

And...I had the same thoughts you did about even doing it now while he's in jail -- would it be considered trespassing?

I know it's a small thing in the whole scheme of things...but it's still sad