CONVICTION OVERTURNED NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - #15

[Magdalyn]

She didn't have any input into which snippets of the interview Dateline decided to air. She may have spent the majority of the hours long interview talking about the good qualities of Jen, but that wasn't the side that Dateline decided to use.

RBBM:

Of course not. All interviews are done that way; all reality shows and news programs do it.

She could have refused to say anything that could be construed as critical or negative about the 'friend' she so callously betrayed again and again and again. You can't parse out the derogatory if there is none. She had 100% input of what came out of her mouth. Better yet, she could have refused to participate, out of respect for Jennifer. Just as she could have complied with her court order to appear. Out of respect for Jennifer. It appears ES had little to no respect for Jennifer. Or her husband. Or either family.

She was not compelled by court order to be on Dateline, like she had to be to speak up for her friend, Jennifer in the trial. She agreed to be on Dateline of her own volition, in her own self interest, and said what she said.

The only person who really didn't have a choice in any of this, or a voice on the show, was Jennifer.

 

[Magdalyn]

I hope friends of ES are aware of the old adage: The best predictor for future behavior is past behavior. ES lied, cheated, explained away, made excuses, betrayed. To her husband. To her best friend. She betrayed her children. Her best friend's children. If she can do it to them, she can do it to anyone. Same as Remy.

Eileen herself said she and Remy had a lot in common. We should listen to her.

 

[Solus]

There's always an excuse with this mistress.

I had to hang with GR before and after Jen's body was found because Jen didn't cook, was ordering out EVERY night, wasn't doing laundry, etc., etc.
I was forced back into GR's arms (and his and Jen's bed) because of public scrutiny.
I was forced into doing the Dateline interview.
Dateline didn't air the parts where I said nice things about Jen.
My friends are going to shut down your FB page if you aren't nice to me.

Seriously, when does it end?

I'm the one providing explanations, they didn't come from her. Every action of hers is analyzed with an assumption towards the worst motives. I'm pointing out that the logic behind the assumptions are incorrect. There are alternative explanations to be considered.

When does it end? That is a good question, when will this end? The person responsible has been found guilty and will be sentenced for it. Even if ES was GR's motivation for what he did, he was the one that did it. GR was the monster that ended Jen's beautiful life prematurely. Because of the affair, you accuse her of being complicit. Anything said or done afterwards is only being viewed through that perception. Attempts to show otherwise are viewed as only excuses.

 

[Solus]

I hope friends of ES are aware of the old adage: The best predictor for future behavior is past behavior. ES lied, cheated, explained away, made excuses, betrayed. To her husband. To her best friend. She betrayed her children. Her best friend's children. If she can do it to them, she'll do anyone. Same as Remy.

Eileen herself said she and Remy had a lot in common. We should listen to her.

In my past I have lied, cheated, explained away and made excuses. Recently I betrayed my best friend as well. I'm not the sum of all that I've done wrong nor the sum of all I've done right. Good people do bad things as bad people do good things. The world isn't so black and white. I'm glad that not everyone I've met has assumed those same actions would be repeated again.

 

[Magdalyn]

There's always an excuse with this mistress.

I had to hang with GR before and after Jen's body was found because Jen didn't cook, was ordering out EVERY night, wasn't doing laundry, etc., etc.
I was forced back into GR's arms (and his and Jen's bed) because of public scrutiny.
I was forced into doing the Dateline interview.
Dateline didn't air the parts where I said nice things about Jen.
My friends are going to shut down your FB page if you aren't nice to me.

Seriously, when does it end?

Agreed.

And....

There's always an excuse with the narcissist (which I believe both Remy and Eileen are.)

And sadly, these manipulative, savvy creatures, despite leaving heartache, pain, and devastation in their wake that everyone else can see from a thousand miles away, will always be able to find another mark. Always land back on their feet. Shake it off and find another soul to suck, use, and abuse. Eileen will play the victim, poor her, she made a boo-boo and everyone is mean to her. And that dang Jennifer isn't alive to forgive her so now she has to *sigh* live with this burden on her back....forever. Whaaaaaa. Nothing is her fault, everyone is against her, sniff-sniff *bats eyelashes*.....love me?

I've been love bombed, best friended, used, abused, chewed up, and spat out by one of these creatures. It's frustrating to see them work their game on other people, successfully, despite all the warning signs being there.

Poor Jennifer was sucked in by two of them. She never had a chance. I wish I could have met her. She deserved far more loyalty than she got in life, and in death.

 

[Magdalyn]

In my past I have lied, cheated, explained away and made excuses. Recently I betrayed my best friend as well. I'm not the sum of all that I've done wrong nor the sum of all I've done right. Good people do bad things as bad people do good things. The world isn't so black and white. I'm glad that not everyone I've met has assumed those same actions would be repeated again.

The quote I offered is not a pronouncement on all who have lied, cheated, betrayed. They are words of caution to the victimized.

Not unlike:

Fool me once, shame an you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

And

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[zwiebel]

I noticed that, although Jennifer's English friend is married and probably had a lot to lose, and they'd never even met in person, he didn't have to be forced into giving evidence. That's a friend.

I also thought it was telling the way GR jumped up and announced, 'I'm leaving' during his police interview, even though he'd already been told he was under arrest. He seemed to really believe he could bully and brazen his way out, and did exactly the same in court too. And believed he was in the right. I can easily see now how he thought laws against murder should not apply to him and justified it to himself. That's why he got so angry with people who took Jennifer's disappearance and death so seriously. He just didn't expect it. Foolish man.

 

[Magdalyn]

I noticed that, although Jennifer's English friend is married and probably had a lot to lose, and they'd never even met in person, he didn't have to be forced into giving evidence. That's a friend.

I also thought it was telling the way GR jumped up and announced, 'I'm leaving' during his police interview, even though he'd already been told he was under arrest. He seemed to really believe he could bully and brazen his way out, and did exactly the same in court too. And believed he was in the right. I can easily see now how he thought laws against murder should not apply to him and justified it to himself. That's why he got so angry with people who took Jennifer's disappearance and death so seriously. He just didn't expect it. Foolish man.

BBM1: Yes! This! Exactly.

BBM2: Lol, I'd never seen that footage until watching the Dateline episode and the first thing it made me think of was Casey Anthony leading the detectives down to her 'office' at Universal.

 

[enzeder]

Screen shots from video at below link​

NBC-Dateline: Secret Lives
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/dateline-full-episodes/full-episode-secret-lives-n239536

 

[SouthAussie]

Recently I betrayed my best friend as well.

GR betrayed his wife, repeatedly, then murdered her, and laughed about the betrayal on national TV.

ES betrayed her ‘best friend’, repeatedly, then remained silent, until forced by arrest and court order to testify at trial. Then she continued to betray Jen by not refusing to speak badly of Jen in her Dateline interview.

JW’s best friend turned out to be not-so-nice after all. JW testified in court to help bring a murderer to justice. That is NOT a betrayal. That is honouring yourself, the laws of the land, the morals of society, Jen, her children, her family.

We have all chosen the wrong friends at some point in our lives. The trick is to learn from that, and to go on to choose the right friends.

imo

 

[Jilllian]

Screen shots from video at below link​

NBC-Dateline: Secret Lives
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/dateline-full-episodes/full-episode-secret-lives-n239536

I think I'm in love with Det. Cobb. :blushing:

ETA: I hope it's okay that I jacked those pics for J4J.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think I'm in love with Det. Cobb. :blushing:

Get in line, girl !!! There is a queue, ya know.

:floorlaugh:

 

[enzeder]

Some pic's of Jennifer's van. I notice the ground surrounding the van at Plank Apt's was wet so some of the 'mud' had probably been washed off by the rain. imo

NBC-Dateline: Secret Lives - Screen shots from video at below link
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/dateline-full-episodes/full-episode-secret-lives-n239536

 

[enzeder]

Lieutenant Richard Cobb - Chenango County Sheriff's Department​

NBC-Dateline: Secret Lives - Screen shot from video at below link
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/dateline-full-episodes/full-episode-secret-lives-n239536

 

[Solus]

<Mod Snip>

Anyone that has been on here a while will remember back in Feb/March 2013 I was on here supporting him as well. She was like me and saw someone we loved that couldn't have possibly done what he was being accused of being crucified. That ridiculous theory about the online stalker was my creation and I pushed it also. With what was known at that time, it seemed the most likely scenario.

I will also say that if I'd had received the same reactions that she has received, I would have been reluctant to come forward as well. I may have been criticized on here, but it is only me being criticized. Not only has she been criticized and threatened, but so has her children and family. Not only criticized and threatened, but then in front of those same people have to go into detail about your most sensitive topics. Your critiquing her behavior without any understanding of what was happening. What was done is a fact, but why something is done changes the meaning of the behavior.

<Mod Snip>Everyone has a past, and maybe you have to know the darkness before you can appreciate the light. I'm not going to judge her about events that I have no first hand knowledge of.

 

[imamaze]

ES is not discussable as a suspect in this case. The one arrested and convicted is GR for this crime. and the right one in my opinion. ES definatley made bad choices and lots of mistakes, but being part of Jen's murder is not one of those mistakes. That was all GR.

 

[provincialparadigm]

ES is not discussable as a suspect in this case. The one arrested and convicted is GR for this crime. and the right one in my opinion. ES definatley made bad choices and lots of mistakes, but being part of Jen's murder is not one of those mistakes. That was all GR.

I believe she is a valid subject in view of her appearance & performance on Dateline. I don't understand given that she was a huge part of this.

 

[imamaze]

I believe she is a valid subject in view of her appearance & performance on Dateline. I don't understand given that she was a huge part of this.

As far as her appearance on Dateline it is discussable. Her being a part of this crime no, she was not nor was she ever a suspect or person of interest in this case. She is guilty of having an affair with her best friends husband, she is not guilty of murder or even being a part of Jen's murder. That is all Remy.

 

[rickblaine]

Like most folks here, I thought Dateline's story was terribly one-sided, delivering an unfair and inaccurate portrayal of Jen while seemingly buying into and dispensing the BS spewed forth by both GR and ES...It was particularly disturbing to note what the program left out, as a great deal of the story was either glossed over or omitted entirely.

I am looking forward to Dec 1, as is the family, when the sentence will be pronounced at last, and at last Jenny will obtain some small measure of justice.

And BTW, great that GR is such an incessant fast-talker as I suspect he'll need that particular "skill" to worm his way out of more than a few sticky situations after he arrives in his new quarters.

 

[marlywings]

I think it's sad that Dateline somehow gave the impression that here were a couple both involved in affairs and betrayal, when Jennifer was actually forced into isolation and seeking comfort anywhere she could, by the utter betrayal of her husband and best friend having sex together right under her nose, in the sanctity of her home.

Jennifer's purely online friendship somehow got mixed with the very real, physical betrayal by Ganesh Remy Ramsaran and Eileen Sayles.

But I do like the way Jennifer's friend (whose name I didn't catch) spoke for her. She came over so nicely. I also like the way det. Cobb came over - I think he was disgusted by this case, though seeming impassive. And I was really glad to have it confirmed police were aware of Remy's distasteful and inept social media campaign, that we all noticed here.

Just lastly; I think Eileen Sayles, having changed her mind about the love of her life, had very, very good reason to be afraid that Remy (aka as self-chosen 'Psycho, which Dateline also didn't mention) would be found not guilty. Just personally, I think she still has cause to worry if he only gets the minimum 25 years.

BBM^

That would have to be one of the very few non-similarities with Baden Clay case.

Our beloved Inspector Ainsworth, who was in charge of the investigation into Allison's death, didn't hold back. He also appeared on the same 60mins interview of Baden Clay's mistress. When he was asked his opinion of Baden Clay, he said and I quote....

"I wouldn't trust Gerard Baden Clay to take my dog for a walk. He is the lowest form of life"

That one minute comment was pure gold and worth far more than the hefty six figure sum the mistress was paid!