Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 5

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Hello - :seeya: I am brand new to posting, and even to Websleuths, but have been following this case as it is somewhat local, and I go through that area all the time going between Oneonta and Cortland. As others have mentioned cell service is spotty in that area, my sister used to have an ATT iPhone and would get service more frequently along that route than with I did with my Verizon iPhone, but depending on the model iPhone and how frequently roaming capabilities are updated (you are supposed to dial *228 every so often to update the phone) it is possible to have some service in that area. Also, not sure if this plays a role but there are also areas where you can receive texts but no calls - maybe the find the iPhone app works on the same principles as texts.

:wagon: Welcome, Farmers Wife! Well, I went to read a bit about Find My iPhone app and here is what I've found:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8

"REQUIREMENTS:


• Requires iOS 5 or later and an iCloud account. You can create a free iCloud account on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

• Internet connection is required. To be located, your iPad with Wi-Fi, iPod touch, or Mac must be connected via a registered Wi-Fi network. Your Mac must also be awake."

Bolded by me.
So, anyone knows if in this middle of nowhere the phone was found is any Wi-Fi network reception?
 

Some examples from others who were located safely:

With someone she met online.
Living with a family and care taking for someone. (room/board/food in exchange to live-in care for an elderly person.)
With a moving group, cult or religious fanatical group.
With a hippy "come as you are" type place.
Living in and out of 24 hour casinos/gambling and earning money without being noticed.
With a missionary group.
Project Occupy.
These are all just mere examples of how one has done it in the past. Not saying that any of these are what Jennifer HAS done...but any one is something that she could have done.

Lavanda Dolce, imo, this comment is minimizing the probability of Jennifer Ramsaran being a victim of foul play. Although we all hope for the best outcome for her and her family. With each passing day this hope diminishes.

The number of unsolved missing persons cases on the FBI NCIC database floats at around 80-90,000 at any given time. This number is only a vague estimate/guess & imo, is much higher. Many persons are never entered into the missing person database for various reasons.

"Folks don't just vanish without a trace"...

https://www.findthemissing.org/docu...fied_Remains_Nations_Silent_Mass_Disaster.pdf

Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains:
The Nation’s Silent Mass Disaster

In over a 20-year period, the number of missing
persons can be estimated in the hundreds
of thousands.
Due in part to sheer volume, missing persons
and unidentified human remains cases are
a tremendous challenge to State and local
law enforcement agencies. The workload
for these agencies is staggering: More than
40,000 sets of human remains that cannot
be identified through conventional means
are held in the evidence rooms of medical
examiners throughout the country
.

But only 6,000 of these cases—15 percent—have
been entered into the FBI’s National Crime
Information Center (NCIC) database.
 
:wagon: Welcome, Farmers Wife! Well, I went to read a bit about Find My iPhone app and here is what I've found:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8

"REQUIREMENTS:


• Requires iOS 5 or later and an iCloud account. You can create a free iCloud account on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

• Internet connection is required. To be located, your iPad with Wi-Fi, iPod touch, or Mac must be connected via a registered Wi-Fi network. Your Mac must also be awake."

Bolded by me.
So, anyone knows if in this middle of nowhere the phone was found is any Wi-Fi network reception?

I don't think the wi-fi thing applies to products with built in connectivity such as iphones - however they would need to be able to access the internet, which in my experience requires more cell service than just calling or texting - when I'm travelling and about to go out of range the first thing to go is the online functions.
 
:wagon: Welcome, Farmers Wife! Well, I went to read a bit about Find My iPhone app and here is what I've found:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8

"REQUIREMENTS:


• Requires iOS 5 or later and an iCloud account. You can create a free iCloud account on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

• Internet connection is required. To be located, your iPad with Wi-Fi, iPod touch, or Mac must be connected via a registered Wi-Fi network. Your Mac must also be awake."

Bolded by me.
So, anyone knows if in this middle of nowhere the phone was found is any Wi-Fi network reception?


BBM

With the data package on her cell phone, my sister has been able to access the Internet in that general vicinity, I'm usually driving so haven't really tried on my phone
 
:wagon: Welcome, Farmers Wife! Well, I went to read a bit about Find My iPhone app and here is what I've found:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8

"REQUIREMENTS:


• Requires iOS 5 or later and an iCloud account. You can create a free iCloud account on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

• Internet connection is required. To be located, your iPad with Wi-Fi, iPod touch, or Mac must be connected via a registered Wi-Fi network. Your Mac must also be awake."

Bolded by me.
So, anyone knows if in this middle of nowhere the phone was found is any Wi-Fi network reception?

I could be misreading this, but I understand this to say that the device you use to locate the phone must be on Wi-Fi, not the phone being located. Since the address/area of the phone being located can be obtained while you are still at home, it wouldn't matter what the cell or wi-fi service is at the location of the phone.
 
I could be misreading this, but I understand this to say that the device you use to locate the phone must be on Wi-Fi, not the phone being located. Since the address/area of the phone being located can be obtained while you are still at home, it wouldn't matter what the cell or wi-fi service is at the location of the phone.

I'm still researching...

http://download.cnet.com/Find-My-iPhone/3000-2094_4-75216124.html

"When turned on, Find My iPhone sends the geolocation data of your device to the servers at regular intervals, allowing you to find your phone from any other device you can log into (including Web browsers). "

Again, bolded by me.
If it is sending the geolocation data to the servers it needs to be connected somehow to the internet. So it needs either a cell reception or a wi-fi connection.
 
Before I retired my career(s) for health reasons, for 20 years I also worked remotely, via VPN access for a total of 3 companies, the more recent of which is very large and well known. In earlier years, I logged in via desk top or laptop and in more recent years also had the capability to login via phone.

Depending on the companies policies, some may require you to login and out only once, when you start for the day, and then you finish work for that day; others require logging in and out for breaks and lunch. Many companies have the capability to "look in" on an employee's work session to "see" (via keystrokes or other indicators) what they are doing that very minute, however, this is very seldom utilized, (as it would not be cost effective to be monitoring every employee that closely and if you do have to monitor them that closely, why are they working remotely and not in the office or for the company at all).

The only time "real time" monitoring would be utilized in my experience anyway, would be immediately prior to some sort of disciplinary action (pertaining to suspicion of abuse of the system, etc.) Some companies generate reports the following day or weekly to keep track of a persons production while working remotely (tracking keystrokes, items processed, etc), but again, rarely is anything utilized "live" - all that is "seen" is that you are logged into the system, not your physical location.

As such, time can easily be manipulated to suit ones personal agenda. I personally know of people who have logged into VPN at work and then immediately left to take their kids to the doctors, dogs to their vets, who take 2 hour long lunches, who go shopping, etc. I've known people who made an ungodly amount of money by watching TV in one room, and once every half hour or hour getting up and taking 5 minutes to "work" by adjudicating a single insurance claim, and then returning to watch TV (this, in the instance of VPN with a time-out feature).

I've known of people who've painted the entire interior of their homes and "worked" at the same time, cooked dinner, cleaned house, weeded their gardens,........ And all of the above was with desk-top or lap-top VPN access only - with VPN access via phone? The possibilities for manipulation are endless! If there is a VPN inactivity "time out" feature, a simple flip of a screen would keep one connected...

Could one manipulate the system day in and day out and not get caught? I guess it's possible - depends on your job (see below) - however - during a 24 - 48 hour period - easily - it may never be noticed - and if he was questioned about a "lack of production" on those dates, he could claim he was worried about his wife.....

IMO VPN and/or WebEx as an alibi, doesn't hold water - nothing solid about it - more like a sieve, if you ask me?

(BTW - I'm *not stating that everyone with VPN access does the above or that I have done this myself, I have not (have been tempted!) - I know that there are wonderful people who work better at home w/VPN than they do in office (myself included) - however, I assisted in founding the "work-at-home remote" program for each of these companies and when production numbers indicated we might have a problem w/a few folks seriously abusing the privledge (for weeks on end), I was asked to do footwork and investigate (because I do that too) hence the examples above.)

Sorry, didn't mean for this to be so long.....

Although the VPN stuff if over my head. Does anyone remember Brad/Nancy Cooper? My memory is vague, but Brad tried to use his work VOP or something like that for his alibi. In the end, it didn't work (it was all figured out that he wasn't home). He was found guilty of murdering Nancy. Alot of other similiarities b/w the 2 cases.
 
Too cold today to search for my friends, so thought I would catch up here. :coldout:
In my opinion, and it is only opinion, there are 4 players in this marriage...not all by choice.
ES.
PS-ES' spouse
GR
Jennifer...we do not have her, but it is truly ALL about finding her.
We know for sure, without a doubt that JR is missing.
We know where the phone, and van were located.
We can see, hear and read media...of all types.
At least 2 of them, and in my own opinion, all of them, were involved in running for sport.
Jennifer had health issues.
Jennifer lost weight. I do not agree with the weight given by GR.
GR and JR were involved in their children's lives.
GR is employed. Can anyone find out how long, as he was served a judgement in 2009 for a hospital bill in Chenango County?
They own more than one piece of property.
They each, were familiar with being online for years.
Do we know if Jennifer had contacts as well as glasses?
They live in a rural area, yet within 15 15-20 minutes of several towns.
They had a dog, and even fish at one time.
ES is/was a player in several categories...she ran to raise money for the Epilepsy Foundation with GR. Her daughter has epilepsy.
ES is/was friend of JR.
Do we know how her (ES) husband reacted? Marines have a unique bond, and way of thinking (my opinion only)
Was there any significance to the date or day...the next day was 12/12/12?
Posters have been placed more than once.
GR in pics often hugs by putting his arms up on the shoulders of the one he hugs...if you think about that, you might wonder how he might have allegedly done anything to JR....
Having owned a vehicle almost identical to JR's van, in year and make, there is little room to put anything, as it is ALL seats. Mine seated 7 comfortably, but the seats do come out easily. Does anyone know if hers were removed? The "truck or rear" area would hold much, but not easily. Mine held very little.
The van also does not love mud or snow...they will do it, but are not made for off roading. Her van has same tires and wheels that mine did.
Because there is an an revocable trust on the property that GR and Jr owned, what would be the reason for that? Good financial planning or not?
There is much info regarding VPN...do we have any IBM insiders?
These are just questions or statements,that have come from observations of mine only. Don't bother making it social media fodder.
Searches will continue, but even we have to take a break.
If I never read another word about people NOT searching in person, and just sitting behind a screen (as per a social media discussion), I could die happy.
The people behind the screen help, beyond belief, the people who search in person.
There are not enough thanks to go around for their input, ideas, thoughts, and support. :tyou:
thanks Bear
ps. too many words, yes?:twocents:
 
BearAngel the 'thanks' button sometimes fails me - thank you for this, and for searching, and for being there for Jennifer - she is lucky to have such brave and kind people looking for her.
 
BearAngel, I'm trying to PM you but your mail is full. Here is a Google maps with a route to the trail head off Resevoir Hill Road from Norwich. Let me know when you clear out your mailbox.

http://goo.gl/maps/d38x1

A special THANKS to ORR, BearAngel and all the other locals for their knowledge and efforts searching! It's great to see so many new faces here!

:yourock:
 
OK I looked up revocable trust. I don't know why they would have this, but I do know several people who have them - this isn't in the US but the people I know use them for some sort of tax benefit, and I also know someone who has one because she isn't in touch with her husband but is still married, and apparently it provides a way to avoid him being entitled to the property in the event of her death. This is all just IMO though... does anyone else know more?
 
Jennifer lost weight. I do not agree with the weight given by GR.

RSBM - Great post!

I snipped this part about Jennifer's weight as it bugs me too. In the most recent pictures she does look much thinner to me than the 190 GR claims. I would have guessed between 150-170.

(I lost 100 pounds about 10 years ago and have been trying to compare Jennifer's pics to my own.)
 
Too cold today to search for my friends, so Jennifer lost weight. I do not agree with the weight given by GR.


I totally agree with this. I went to highschool with Jennifer and back then we were around the same size 160-170 pounds IMO. Check out this picture timeline....

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.p...48565711.21587.116018661901063&type=3&theater

I have also lost a lot of weight. At my heaviest, I was 197 lbs and looked similiar in pictures to Jennifer in March 2012.
Jennifer looks just as she did in highschool in the pics taken in august 2012. I do not recognize the girl in the November 2012 pics at all. I think she was much less than reported.
Please keep in mind that I have not seen Jennifer since 1994 and her Mom or sister would be a better judge of this. JMO
 
Too cold today to search for my friends, so thought I would catch up here. :coldout:
In my opinion, and it is only opinion, there are 4 players in this marriage...not all by choice.
ES.
PS-ES' spouse
GR
Jennifer...we do not have her, but it is truly ALL about finding her.
We know for sure, without a doubt that JR is missing.
We know where the phone, and van were located.
We can see, hear and read media...of all types.
At least 2 of them, and in my own opinion, all of them, were involved in running for sport.
Jennifer had health issues.
Jennifer lost weight. I do not agree with the weight given by GR.
GR and JR were involved in their children's lives.
GR is employed. Can anyone find out how long, as he was served a judgement in 2009 for a hospital bill in Chenango County?
They own more than one piece of property.
They each, were familiar with being online for years.
Do we know if Jennifer had contacts as well as glasses?
They live in a rural area, yet within 15 15-20 minutes of several towns.
They had a dog, and even fish at one time.
ES is/was a player in several categories...she ran to raise money for the Epilepsy Foundation with GR. Her daughter has epilepsy.
ES is/was friend of JR.
Do we know how her (ES) husband reacted? Marines have a unique bond, and way of thinking (my opinion only)
Was there any significance to the date or day...the next day was 12/12/12?
Posters have been placed more than once.
GR in pics often hugs by putting his arms up on the shoulders of the one he hugs...if you think about that, you might wonder how he might have allegedly done anything to JR....
Having owned a vehicle almost identical to JR's van, in year and make, there is little room to put anything, as it is ALL seats. Mine seated 7 comfortably, but the seats do come out easily. Does anyone know if hers were removed? The "truck or rear" area would hold much, but not easily. Mine held very little.
The van also does not love mud or snow...they will do it, but are not made for off roading. Her van has same tires and wheels that mine did.
Because there is an an revocable trust on the property that GR and Jr owned, what would be the reason for that? Good financial planning or not?
There is much info regarding VPN...do we have any IBM insiders?
These are just questions or statements,that have come from observations of mine only. Don't bother making it social media fodder.
Searches will continue, but even we have to take a break.
If I never read another word about people NOT searching in person, and just sitting behind a screen (as per a social media discussion), I could die happy.
The people behind the screen help, beyond belief, the people who search in person.
There are not enough thanks to go around for their input, ideas, thoughts, and support. :tyou:
thanks Bear
ps. too many words, yes?:twocents:

Great synopsis!

some great, interesting info!

- Judgement on hospital bill in 2009

-R's own more than 1 property

- Irrevocable Trust on R's property

- Could there be a significance to 12-12-12... The day after JR went missing?

- A reminder that PS (ES's spouse) is a player in this case, too...

and... NOT too many words at all! :smile:

JMO
 
BearAngel, I'm trying to PM you but your mail is full. Here is a Google maps with a route to the trail head off Resevoir Hill Road from Norwich. Let me know when you clear out your mailbox.

http://goo.gl/maps/d38x1
Thank you...my mail has room...we did go up the road, but I was unaware of it being there...thank you! :rocker:
 
:wagon: Welcome, Farmers Wife! Well, I went to read a bit about Find My iPhone app and here is what I've found:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8

"REQUIREMENTS:


• Requires iOS 5 or later and an iCloud account. You can create a free iCloud account on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.

• Internet connection is required. To be located, your iPad with Wi-Fi, iPod touch, or Mac must be connected via a registered Wi-Fi network. Your Mac must also be awake."

Bolded by me.
So, anyone knows if in this middle of nowhere the phone was found is any Wi-Fi network reception?

I hope that someone with an iPhone go to the location where the phone was found and use the FInd my iPhone app. It would answer all our questions.
 
I hope that someone with an iPhone go to the location where the phone was found and use the FInd my iPhone app. It would answer all our questions.

Shoot - if I *had* an iphone, I'd fly to NY and help with this experiment! Alas, I'm stuck with an Android :floorlaugh:
 
Lavanda Dolce, imo, this comment is minimizing the probability of Jennifer Ramsaran being a victim of foul play. Although we all hope for the best outcome for her and her family. With each passing day this hope diminishes.

The number of unsolved missing persons cases on the FBI NCIC database floats at around 80-90,000 at any given time. This number is only a vague estimate/guess & imo, is much higher. Many persons are never entered into the missing person database for various reasons.

"Folks don't just vanish without a trace"...

https://www.findthemissing.org/docu...fied_Remains_Nations_Silent_Mass_Disaster.pdf

Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains:
The Nation’s Silent Mass Disaster

In over a 20-year period, the number of missing
persons can be estimated in the hundreds
of thousands.
Due in part to sheer volume, missing persons
and unidentified human remains cases are
a tremendous challenge to State and local
law enforcement agencies. The workload
for these agencies is staggering: More than
40,000 sets of human remains that cannot
be identified through conventional means
are held in the evidence rooms of medical
examiners throughout the country
.

But only 6,000 of these cases—15 percent—have
been entered into the FBI’s National Crime
Information Center (NCIC) database.

Thanks for that info Foxfire. 40,000 is such a shocking no. So many people that no-one really cared about :tears:
 
I totally agree with this. I went to highschool with Jennifer and back then we were around the same size 160-170 pounds IMO. Check out this picture timeline....

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.p...48565711.21587.116018661901063&type=3&theater

I have also lost a lot of weight. At my heaviest, I was 197 lbs and looked similiar in pictures to Jennifer in March 2012.
Jennifer looks just as she did in highschool in the pics taken in august 2012. I do not recognize the girl in the November 2012 pics at all. I think she was much less than reported.
Please keep in mind that I have not seen Jennifer since 1994 and her Mom or sister would be a better judge of this. JMO

I scanned pictures to show what I was talking about above, in comparison to Jennifer's missing timeline poster.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.p...48565711.21587.116018661901063&type=3&theater

The first and second picture are the Senior Class pics for Jennifer and myself in 1994. I would say we were both around 160-ish lbs IMO. I think that this pic of Jenn looks most like she did in Aug 2012. Also, check out Jennifer's quote.

The third pic is of me at 197lbs. GR said that Jennifer was 190 lbs when she disappeared. She looks closer to that in her March 2012 pics. IMO

The forth pic is me after losing weight. I am 155lbs in the pic. To me Jennifer looks thinner than me in her November 2012 pictures.
 

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