Found Deceased NY - Jennifer Ramsaran, 36, Chenango County, 11 Dec 2012 - # 8

[Coldpizza]

So again,does anyone know if cadaver dogs were used in the van? For me that's key. It determines some answers for JR if they were used when the van was discovered.

 

[Piperdog]

Sure. Just one thing..."And a rock feels no pain..."

...and an island never cries...

 

[Foxfire]

"I Am A Rock"

A winter's day
In a deep and dark December;
I am alone,
Gazing from my window to the streets below
On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I've built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
It's laughter and it's loving I disdain.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

Don't talk of love,
But I've heard the words before;
It's sleeping in my memory.
I won't disturb the slumber of feelings that have died.
If I never loved I never would have cried.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I have my books
And my poetry to protect me;
I am shielded in my armor,
Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.
I touch no one and no one touches me.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries.

"I Am A Rock" Simon And Garfunkel - YouTube

 

[sleepinoz]

So again,does anyone know if cadaver dogs were used in the van? For me that's key. It determines some answers for JR if they were used when the van was discovered.

We really don't know - LE are being very tight lipped

 

[LivingJuicy]

Poor Jennifer's family. I cannot wait for the nightmare to end so they can try to rebuild.

And the kids, my heart aches for them.

On a positive note, IMO, I think that the threads are starting to unravel in a lot of ways. Interesting that the organization that backed GR is now stepping back as Jennifer was found. I get it, I do. I just think that in time, there will be a full on circus show, involving the key players.

I wonder who has each other's back now.

I have Jennifer's back! Still waiting for that arrest. A true test in patience as I lack it in general.

I keep reminding myself that "revenge is a dish best served cold."

 

[epiphany]

We really don't know - LE are being very tight lipped

Missing: December 11, 2012
iPhone Found: December 12, 2012
Minivan Found: December 16, 2012

LE sets up mobile unit on the property, and spends 4 days searching in the home and the surrounding 18 acres of property: Evening of December 17, 2012

IMO, cadaver dogs were used in Jenn's minivan.

 

[maw76]

Sure. Just one thing..."And a rock feels no pain..."

I just can't help it, I've always thought of "the rock" more as a pebble really...

 

[Sharoneonta]

So again,does anyone know if cadaver dogs were used in the van? For me that's key. It determines some answers for JR if they were used when the van was discovered.

If they have it has not been disclosed here.

 

[Sharoneonta]

If she had $500 where did it go? Where did she get the money, was it an allowance that she saved up, or was it a fresh recent debit from a checking/savings account?

What if that morning she was cleaning up the house and found the prepaid visa and lingerie and a fight ensued?

If her purse is with LE is unknown, I have asked several times and this information is not known.

We don't know if there was a prepaid Visa. Only a receipt was found, not a card.

 

[BearAngel]

"I Am A Rock"

A winter's day
In a deep and dark December;
I am alone,
Gazing from my window to the streets below
On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I've built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
It's laughter and it's loving I disdain.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

Don't talk of love,
But I've heard the words before;
It's sleeping in my memory.
I won't disturb the slumber of feelings that have died.
If I never loved I never would have cried.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I have my books
And my poetry to protect me;
I am shielded in my armor,
Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.
I touch no one and no one touches me.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries.

"I Am A Rock" Simon And Garfunkel - YouTube

tears, and you know bears don't cry...funny the rock may be the best witness ever....thanks FoxFire :candle:

 

[LolaAngelina]

Poor Jennifer's family. I cannot wait for the nightmare to end so they can try to rebuild.

And the kids, my heart aches for them.

On a positive note, IMO, I think that the threads are starting to unravel in a lot of ways. Interesting that the organization that backed GR is now stepping back as Jennifer was found. I get it, I do. I just think that in time, there will be a full on circus show, involving the key players.

I wonder who has each other's back now.

I have Jennifer's back! Still waiting for that arrest. A true test in patience as I lack it in general.

I keep reminding myself that "revenge is a dish best served cold."

BBM:goodpost:

 

[Hexe]

If her purse is with LE is unknown, I have asked several times and this information is not known.

Do we even know what purse Jennifer had with her, leaving home that day?

 

[momrids6]

Do we even know what purse Jennifer had with her, leaving home that day?

don't need a purse or shoes if you don't go anywhere

 

[epiphany]

don't need a purse or shoes if you don't go anywhere

Same goes for Jenn's earrings, which we see she wore a pair of in almost every photo we've seen of her.

Don't need those either if you weren't ready to leave home...IF you were ever going that morning at about 10:30 AM.

 

[Tennlyn]

"I Am A Rock"

A winter's day
In a deep and dark December;
I am alone,
Gazing from my window to the streets below
On a freshly fallen silent shroud of snow.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I've built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
It's laughter and it's loving I disdain.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

Don't talk of love,
But I've heard the words before;
It's sleeping in my memory.
I won't disturb the slumber of feelings that have died.
If I never loved I never would have cried.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I have my books
And my poetry to protect me;
I am shielded in my armor,
Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.
I touch no one and no one touches me.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries.

"I Am A Rock" Simon And Garfunkel - YouTube

I love that song but it never brought on the tears the way it does tonight.

 

[epiphany]

Wedding rings left behind in jewelry box is good to throw against the wall in that it could imply she may have left for another, though why leave them behind when you could have gotten cash for them way down the line when the dust settled...

 

[epiphany]

Poor Jennifer's family. I cannot wait for the nightmare to end so they can try to rebuild.

And the kids, my heart aches for them.

On a positive note, IMO, I think that the threads are starting to unravel in a lot of ways. Interesting that the organization that backed GR is now stepping back as Jennifer was found. I get it, I do. I just think that in time, there will be a full on circus show, involving the key players.

I wonder who has each other's back now.

I have Jennifer's back! Still waiting for that arrest. A true test in patience as I lack it in general.

I keep reminding myself that "revenge is a dish best served cold."

Going to agree with everything, LivingJuicy, until the "revenge" quote.

Revenge satisfies only temporarily.

Justice is called for, not revenge.

Living well (and Living Juicy) and seeking justice is, perhaps, the best revenge.

 

[dansmom]

Do we even know what purse Jennifer had with her, leaving home that day?

My thought has been she had nothing on when she left home that morning.

 

[momrids6]

My thought has been she had nothing on when she left home that morning.

I would say something, but that something was itty bitty teeny weeny.

 

[krey]

I agree that some of the various explanations for the demise of Jennifer (as is listed above so thoroughly)... Are interesting....

To use an analogy... The preposterous explanations remind me of a Defense Attorney... Faced with a defendant on a sinking ship of lies... Presents to the court to explain and defend the actions of said defendant...

As the Defense Attorney continues to present outlandish scenarios... The jury of peers (wisened by the Casey Anthony debacle) become more and more unbelieving... Turning to disdain as their intelligence is insulted ... Until ALL sympathy is lost as the jury KNOWS they are being "played the fools"...

Therefore... The verdict becomes... Unanimously.... GUILTY AS CHARGED!

JMO

Hopefully this is exactly what will happen in the Jodi Arias case!! lease: