Found Deceased NY - Joseph Comunale, 26, Manhattan, 12 Nov 2016 #1 *Arrests*

[Salsa]

She also wouldn't be the first ex-partner/ex-lover to either not know or deny that their ehis saydx was bi or gay

My mentioning the ex girlfriend (there was mention of girlfriends in NY too) mainly was you can tell alot from past relationships, especially when they lived together. She didn't have bad things to say of his treatment toward her, anger, beatings, or narcissist emotional abuse. I do tend to think this says something about his relationships with others, how he conducts himself. He may have stolen in the past, but that does not make one more capable of killing than someone who has not stolen.

In regards to finding an ultra rich sugar daddy, this happens often, not only in the gay community. How many women desire a man more for his money than for his personality, character, body, looks, and age? We have 20 years olds having babies with a 70 some old Mick Jagger.

 

[epiphany]

Link for Larry AND James being seen adjusting the surveillance cameras in the bldg's basement, as well as the POIs and/or Suspects in Joey's murder are either Larry or James or both, and not MG as per the ADA:

"One or both of these people committed a murder," Assistant District Attorney Antoinette Carter said during an arraignment late Thursday for Rackover Dilione. Both men were ordered held on $3 million bond.

"We're treating this case as a homicide. Both of these defendants were seen in the basement adjusting the surveillance camera. Dilione is the last person who saw Joseph Comunale alive.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-partygoer-stabbed-15-times-article-1.2877608

 

[epiphany]

My mentioning the ex girlfriend (there was mention of girlfriends in NY too) mainly was you can tell alot from past relationships, especially when they lived together. She didn't have bad things to say of his treatment toward her, anger, beatings, or narcissist emotional abuse. I do tend to think this says something about his relationships with others, how he conducts himself. He may have stolen in the past, but that does not make one more capable of killing than someone who has not stolen.

In regards to finding an ultra rich sugar daddy, this happens often, not only in the gay community. How many women desire a man more for his money than for his personality, character, body, looks, and age? We have 20 years olds having babies with a 70 some old Mick Jagger.

^^ Respectfully BBM

Agree with your points in this post, Salsa

However, re the 3 current charges ea are facing, not only Larry, but James IMO is cooked

 

[Salsa]

This quote was from what police originally thought were James clothes. I mentioned they may have been grilling him, "You know you were there. You know you killed him. We have evidence you killed him, give it up already." Then, they brought in and smacked down a sealed clear bag of bloodied, bleached clothes and said we have your clothes.

This is when the guy who was there who Dilion never mentioned until obviously he had too, came into play suddenly out of nowhere.

James may have been believable when he told them, I never seen those clothes in my life. Those are not my clothes.

Exit they get Dilion in a room and drill him until he cannot deny those are not James but his best friend since childhood, Gemma's.

Next Enter: Gemma (where did this guy come from)

This case is nuts and I may be nuts, but I really think we will all be surprised one way or another.



The police said that they found blood on James Rackover's clothing, and inside his apartment.
"There is blood on clothing . . . also what appears to be bleach on the clothing in an attempt to cover up the blood," said Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce.

This is Dilion's new throw off, he first tried the James was spurned, it leaked, and now cigs.

http://comicbook.com/popculturenow/2016/11/24/man-dead-over-cigarettes/

 

[Salsa]

What's the next story from Dilion: James asked for a piece of gum and Comunale said no, and James stabbed him 14 times.


Importantly, and I know the elephant in the room is James, but he was the only one (I was surprised because you do not see this often in these type cases) that addressed his concern and sympathy for Joey's friends and family affected by this and apologized as well as to his own family. All I have read about Dilion is his intent to get out of this any way he can. No thought, consideration, or care for the victim and his family from the other two. One seemed intent on getting out of the country using his family's prestige to do so.

 

[epiphany]

<snip> The victim&#8217;s clothes, along with towels and sheets stuffed in trash bags were tossed down a garbage chute. At least one of the suspects tried unsuccessfully to bleach the blood from Comunale&#8217;s clothing.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...bers-son-fears-bail-killers-article-1.2879187


<snip> Boyce said the victim&#8217;s bloodied clothing, sheets and towels were found in plastic bags that had been thrown down the building&#8217;s garbage chute. Boyce said detectives discovered bleach and say it was likely used in an attempt to remove blood from the clothing...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-...laying-of-connecticut-man-last-seen-at-party/

 

[Salsa]

Link for Larry AND James being seen adjusting the surveillance cameras in the bldg's basement, as well as the POIs and/or Suspects in Joey's murder are either Larry or James or both, and not MG as per the ADA:

"One or both of these people committed a murder," Assistant District Attorney Antoinette Carter said during an arraignment late Thursday for Rackover Dilione. Both men were ordered held on $3 million bond.

"We're treating this case as a homicide. Both of these defendants were seen in the basement adjusting the surveillance camera. Dilione is the last person who saw Joseph Comunale alive.&#8221;

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...-partygoer-stabbed-15-times-article-1.2877608

What I am going to post is not to discredit your theory but to express mine. It is not a I am right and you are wrong.

This article is an older one. This is before Gemma is a main focus of the investigation. One thing about the article is the motive of the killing which obviously came from Dilion before the cigarette story:
[FONT=&amp]The motive for the gut-wrenching attack remained under investigation, although sources indicated the killing occurred after Comunale rejected the sexual advances of one of the men inside the apartment.

[/FONT]And again with eyewitness testimony, yes they saw 2 guys messing with a camera, but this was before anyone knew a murder occurred. When questioning witnesses, if they began with did you see anything funny with tenant James and his friends late last night/early morning, the person may have recollected two men adjusting a camera, but really which 2 young men: James and Dilion or was it Dilion and Gemma?

Eyewitness testimony is the main culprit of convicting the wrong person in so many documented cases, it is not always allowed in as evidence.

 

[epiphany]

What I am going to post is not to discredit your theory but to express mine. It is not a I am right and you are wrong.

This article is an older one. This is before Gemma is a main focus of the investigation. One thing about the article is the motive of the killing which obviously came from Dilion before the cigarette story:
[FONT=&]The motive for the gut-wrenching attack remained under investigation, although sources indicated the killing occurred after Comunale rejected the sexual advances of one of the men inside the apartment.

[/FONT]And again with eyewitness testimony, yes they saw 2 guys messing with a camera, but this was before anyone knew a murder occurred. When questioning witnesses, if they began with did you see anything funny with tenant James and his friends late last night/early morning, the person may have recollected two men adjusting a camera, but really which 2 young men: James and Dilion or was it Dilion and Gemma?

Eyewitness testimony is the main culprit of convicting the wrong person in so many documented cases, it is not always allowed in as evidence.

^^ Respectfully BBM

So many of these luxury bldgs have screens at the front desk showing what's going on in the walkways in the basement, in the laundry room downstairs if one, etc. Both Larry & James might have been picked up on one of the front desk screens adjusting the surveillance cameras, rather than were seen by a witness in the basement.

Unfortunately, MG looks nothing like James esp in height, his frame & build and his coloring

 

[Salsa]

<snip> The victim&#8217;s clothes, along with towels and sheets stuffed in trash bags were tossed down a garbage chute. At least one of the suspects tried unsuccessfully to bleach the blood from Comunale&#8217;s clothing.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...bers-son-fears-bail-killers-article-1.2879187


<snip> Boyce said the victim&#8217;s bloodied clothing, sheets and towels were found in plastic bags that had been thrown down the building&#8217;s garbage chute. Boyce said detectives discovered bleach and say it was likely used in an attempt to remove blood from the clothing...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/joseph-...laying-of-connecticut-man-last-seen-at-party/

It makes no sense for James to throw bloody evidence in his own garbage shoot. I believe Gemma and Dilion had a mess in front of them, blood, clothes, a body. The removing the body on the forefront of the brain. They discard the clothes down a garbage shoot and clean the place. James snoring in his bedroom passed out. They throw the body out the window. Call pretending to be James asking strange questions. Gemma and Dilion live 56 miles away, and they may not know of any good places in the city to dump a body, with such little time to grab James car keys, take the body where they know is down a long road (pic) 1 mile from their residence. Drive the car back, take public transportation back.

James may have woken up and came out clueless of what went on or was informed and helped after the crime to cover up. But he is sticking to his story, there is no way I was seen doing any of that because he knows he didn't. If he did do all that, I think he would be coming up with reasons why to cover his steps.

 

[Salsa]

It could be possible to mistake Dilion for Rackover if you didn't know him well or see him often. The cameras must not be clear, if they clearly show Rackover doing all these things, this case would not be confusing authorities, charges dropped from murder to conspiracy charges.

 

[epiphany]

It could be possible to mistake Dilion for Rackover if you didn't know him well or see him often. The cameras must not be clear, if they clearly show Rackover doing all these things, this case would not be confusing authorities, charges dropped from murder to conspiracy charges.

^^ Respectfully BBM

Neither was charged with murder. Initially, both James & Larry were arrested on other charges incl second degree murder.

I prob missed it, but would like a link from MSM for the reduction from murder 2 to Conspiracy (to commit murder?) charges.

 

[Donna7777]

I'm really beginning to think he was lured there. He was there at 4 and dead by 7. It seems whoever did it had a long and smoldering hate.

Maybe Larry spent the summer in the Hamptons with James.. On Jeffreys dime.. They look awful cozy in Salsas picture.

Could Jeffrey have been trying to land Joey to get rid James and to make him jealous.

Maybe Larry was paid to get him over there. James seems to be getting close to being banished and Larry being the opportunistic I think he could be.. It's possible

The words "What are you going to do about it" could have meant Jeffrey and him or making him think that. That's possibly when all hell could have broken loose JMO

I also don't think they meant for him to get killed.. Head games may have just backfired

 

[LovelyB]

It makes no sense for James to throw bloody evidence in his own garbage shoot. I believe Gemma and Dilion had a mess in front of them, blood, clothes, a body. The removing the body on the forefront of the brain. They discard the clothes down a garbage shoot and clean the place. James snoring in his bedroom passed out. They throw the body out the window. Call pretending to be James asking strange questions. Gemma and Dilion live 56 miles away, and they may not know of any good places in the city to dump a body, with such little time to grab James car keys, take the body where they know is down a long road (pic) 1 mile from their residence. Drive the car back, take public transportation back.

James may have woken up and came out clueless of what went on or was informed and helped after the crime to cover up. But he is sticking to his story, there is no way I was seen doing any of that because he knows he didn't. If he did do all that, I think he would be coming up with reasons why to cover his steps.

I thought about JD and MG possibly "borrowing" the car, too. A couple of things that seem strange to me are: Why would someone throw the bloody evidence down the trash chute, when it could be so easily discovered, and why call the front desk asking about the time frame of the surveillance cameras? That would immediately throw a red flag to any competent security or concierge of the apartment. Seems like both those things are incredibly stupid actions, if one wanted to get away with murdering someone. Especially if you lived in the building. Also, throwing the body out the window.... Like no one in the vicinity would see that. Seems like panic mode. Could be James did participate, but could be a setup too...


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[Anonymous123]

I'm really beginning to think he was lured there. He was there at 4 and dead by 7. It seems whoever did it had a long and smoldering hate.

Maybe Larry spent the summer in the Hamptons with James.. On Jeffreys dime.. They look awful cozy in Salsas picture.

Could Jeffrey have been trying to land Joey to get rid James and to make him jealous.

Maybe Larry was paid to get him over there. James seems to be getting close to being banished and Larry being the opportunistic I think he could be.. It's possible

The words "What are you going to do about it" could have meant Jeffrey and him or making him think that. That's possibly when all hell could have broken loose JMO

I also don't think they meant for him to get killed.. Head games may have just backfired

Do you mean dead by 7am? Where are you getting that from? Just curious as I haven't seen anything to indicate that the timeframe was confirmed.

This talk of James being set up is pretty laughable in my opinion. He slept in his apartment through a murder? He's seen on camera driving the car to the burial spot.

And if he was at Jeffrey's and had no part of this - daddy rackover would be screaming from the rooftops that his baby was not part of this and be an accomplice saving face. His brand. His reputation being tarnished. Instead he doesn't even want to bail him out and he's kissing up to the other residents apologizing while looking a fool.

In my opinion it probably was panic mode and at the time they thought they were doing a good job. Not some elaborate plan or coverup.

I also thought LD or JR had manipulated the security cameras in the building to ensure they weren't capturing certain things.

Doormen in a luxury building are usually rather friendly/ familiar with residents as that is part of their job. They would probably know JR and be able to identify him easily.

 

[LovelyB]

Do you mean dead by 7am? Where are you getting that from? Just curious as I haven't seen anything to indicate that the timeframe was confirmed.

This talk of James being set up is pretty laughable in my opinion. He slept in his apartment through a murder? He's seen on camera driving the car to the burial spot.

And if he was at Jeffrey's and had no part of this - daddy rackover would be screaming from the rooftops that his baby was not part of this and be an accomplice saving face. His brand. His reputation being tarnished. Instead he doesn't even want to bail him out and he's kissing up to the other residents apologizing while looking a fool.

In my opinion it probably was panic mode and at the time they thought they were doing a good job. Not some elaborate plan or coverup.

I also thought LD or JR had manipulated the security cameras in the building to ensure they weren't capturing certain things.

Doormen in a luxury building are usually rather friendly/ familiar with residents as that is part of their job. They would probably know JR and be able to identify him easily.

If James was identified in the car and it wasn't just the car that was identified, then there was no setup, and he did participate in the crime. It still remains to be seen, as to who committed the actual murder.


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[epiphany]

If James was identified in the car and it wasn't just the car that was identified, then there was no setup, and he did participate in the crime. It still remains to be seen, as to who committed the actual murder.


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^^ RBBM

From The NYTimes

<snip> Investigators, using license plates readers, were able to determine that, shortly before 10 p.m., James Rackover drove onto Franklin D. Roosevelt Drive and went through the Holland Tunnel into New Jersey. At 3 a.m. on Monday, the car crossed back into New York through the Holland Tunnel, and was back at Mr. Rackover&#8217;s building 15 minutes later.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/n...bodys-disposal-in-new-jersey-emerge.html?_r=0

 

[Donna7777]

@anonymous -i based it on the time that Gemma scrambled out of there which I believe to be 8am .

As far as JR protecting James it is confirmed that James was asked to move out at summers end. I posted link on that. James may have turned into a leach that he didn't know how to get rid of.

 

[Donna7777]

If James was identified in the car and it wasn't just the car that was identified, then there was no setup, and he did participate in the crime. It still remains to be seen, as to who committed the actual murder.


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I read the car has tinted windows.

 

[Luke220]

Jeffrey's unit is listed currently with Douglas Elliman (for $2,750,000). The interior has a lot of customization but is a bit tacky. By NY luxury standards this isn't a lot of money. Curiously, the ad states "no board approval needed". I think Jeffrey is an ambitious guy but not in the league of his customers. The apt was listed prior to the murder. James's apartment is only a 1 bedroom, so not enough room for so many to be sleeping it of from the night before. It is conceivable that some were sleeping on the 32nd floor at Jeffrey's. I live in a building about the same size, staffed the same, and the overnight staff knows everything that goes on, and who is coming and going. There are a lot of details here that have not been released.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Jeffrey's unit is listed currently with Douglas Elliman (for $2,750,000). The interior has a lot of customization but is a bit tacky. By NY luxury standards this isn't a lot of money. Curiously, the ad states "no board approval needed". I think Jeffrey is an ambitious guy but not in the league of his customers. The apt was listed prior to the murder. James's apartment is only a 1 bedroom, so not enough room for so many to be sleeping it of from the night before. It is conceivable that some were sleeping on the 32nd floor at Jeffrey's. I live in a building about the same size, staffed the same, and the overnight staff knows everything that goes on, and who is coming and going. There are a lot of details here that have not been released.

Agreed! The staff knows everything. The doormen usually know all the gossip that is circulating in the building, too.

And the surveillance cameras help. And the witnesses.