NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #10

[goathairjones]

It's not that weird. Just some people goofing off. It's not as bizarre as someone claiming they bumped into Joe Brewer at the CVS that Shannan called before she disappeared and saying he's a "nice guy"

Hey Sherlock,

Whatever!

 

[cog]

I can't recall when the tape itself was supposedly "wiped". Depending on the timeframe and the specific set-up, it could be that it was just taped over due to automation. I am curious though as to how GC had access to the hard drive back-up that CS was in charge of ... whether the hard drive was in the gatehouse that many people had access to, or whether it was in someone's residence.

If I'm not mistaken the info regarding the tape came from the infamous GC? He as far as I know is the ONLY one to mention this. Which is another bit of TMI that he put out there. I'm just grasping at straws trying to think of anything that can be checked out that might lead somewhere.

Anyway, there is an article on the other site of an interview from a poster with GC and he stated there again that the tape was removed by CS not the doc but that he, Gus, took the harddrive to the PD.

I've not read were the PD confirmed any of this so who knows.

 

[Riverreefer]

...so useless, you remove peoples posts that violate no terms of service and is beneficial to all of the nonsensical posters on here.

I think aliens abducted her....i heard there were reports of lights in the sky that night....lets all talk about this for 5 pages...we can all discuss aliens and how they COULD have taken her...what a useless website....www.i love to speculate .com www. make believe csi time . com you people that just come and make up stuff are ruining it for people that want to actually learn about the case...stop spouting fantasy!

 

[JeannieC]

Officer Jones was murdered in 1999 and it is rumored to have connections with powerful politicians at the state and local level. I really doubt any good ole boys from NC would have any LI connections but you never know. The sheriff who ruled her murder a suicide claimed to have clearance to the Pentagon. He eventually served time at a federal prison in Butner (sp?), NC (the same one where Madoff is incarcerated) for obstruction of justice and witness tampering.

Butner Federal Prisons, Butner, NC - Butner Federal Correctional Institute and FMC Butner Federal Medical Center.

Link:
http://www.myinmatelocator.com/Federal/Federal_Prisons/Butner_Federal_Prisons_Complex.html

 

[Theforeigner]

To Riverreefer

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

I´m curious to know if you yourself is working for LE in some way? and if you have inside information about this Long Island case and/or the AC case?

Additionally I would like to ask you if you would be so kind to share why you belive it is rediculous to belive that the AC case and the LI case could be connected?

Thanks in advance

TF

 

[da fino]

I have a question for all of you.

If a properties owner is listed Oak island Beach Assoc. do you think those are rental properties or offices or what?

TIA

idk about OBA, but it in some private communities, the association owns the land, and the residents own the home on the property owned by the association. it forces residents to be members or the association and adhere to their policies and requirements. it also all but assures everyone knows everyone.

in this case, iirc, the town of babylon owns the land and probably the oak beach association leases it from the the town.

 

[da fino]

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Wow ... a cling-on jacket

Normally, when asked if someone was "wearing" something, the answer would be yes or no. To respond that it was "over her shoulder" sounds hinky to me. If SG was in such panic mode with her jacket somehow "over her shoulder", that jacket must have been really hanging on throughout the 911 call, the scramble from JB's, falling downstairs, running, hiding, etc. If it was "over her shoulder", she would likely be hanging onto it with one hand while the other hand was dealing with everything else. Whether she was wearing it or clutching it when she called 911 from JB's house, she was set to leave with the jacket.

i am wondering about this myself. specifically, did GC mean to indicate that she was wearing the jacket and it had fallen down "over her shoulders". sort of like the way a jacket would end up if someone tried to grab SG from behind grabbing the back collar tag area of the jacket and she wiggled away.
i.e. her arms would be in the sleeves, but her shoulders would be exposed and not inside the jacket. sort of like if you left somewhere in a hurry and ran out the door as you put on the jacket.

at any rate, it was a leather jacket, and probably one SG wanted to hang on to.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

idk about OBA, but it in some private communities, the association owns the land, and the residents own the home on the property owned by the association. it forces residents to be members or the association and adhere to their policies and requirements. it also all but assures everyone knows everyone.

in this case, iirc, the town of babylon owns the land and probably the oak beach association leases it from the the town.

That is how the OBA works.

 

[goathairjones]

TV Show coming?

ICM Notches Two TV Deals For New York Magazine Articles

A month after ICM signed New York Magazine to try and whip up some TV and movie action for the weekly's feature articles, Sony Television has acquired two articles for potential telepics. Sony optioned: A Serial Killer in Common, about the Long Island serial killer whose victims began being discovered right off a desolate beach road, and the families who have bonded over the search for the killer and the question of who their sisters really were; and Paw Paw and Lady Love, an article by Dan Lee that looked back at late pop culture icon Anne Nicole Smith, a life and death that played out in front of the cameras, and the Supreme Court case that finally settled the issue of her marriage to a 90-year old billionaire. The court finally ruled that Smith's estate was not eneitled to the $475 million inheritance that had been awarded to her while she was alive. ICM has optioned over 30 articles for TV and film for The New York Times since signing the newspaper as a client.


http://www.deadline.com/2011/07/icm-notches-two-tv-deals-for-new-york-magazine-articles/

 

[Reannan]

TV Show coming?

ICM Notches Two TV Deals For New York Magazine Articles

A month after ICM signed New York Magazine to try and whip up some TV and movie action for the weekly's feature articles, Sony Television has acquired two articles for potential telepics. Sony optioned: A Serial Killer in Common, about the Long Island serial killer whose victims began being discovered right off a desolate beach road, and the families who have bonded over the search for the killer and the question of who their sisters really were; and Paw Paw and Lady Love, an article by Dan Lee that looked back at late pop culture icon Anne Nicole Smith, a life and death that played out in front of the cameras, and the Supreme Court case that finally settled the issue of her marriage to a 90-year old billionaire. The court finally ruled that Smith's estate was not eneitled to the $475 million inheritance that had been awarded to her while she was alive. ICM has optioned over 30 articles for TV and film for The New York Times since signing the newspaper as a client.


http://www.deadline.com/2011/07/icm-notches-two-tv-deals-for-new-york-magazine-articles/

Well, I say yea! to whatever keeps this case in the spotlight! I am SO thankful for each and everyone of the posters and readers here at WS's because at least we have not given up! What I really want, is an update from LE about this case. Have they made any DNA identifications with the other unidentified victims - especially the Asian man and the child. Can we at least get an estimated TOD?? :waitasec:

 

[JeannieC]

Well, I say yea! to whatever keeps this case in the spotlight! I am SO thankful for each and everyone of the posters and readers here at WS's because at least we have not given up! What I really want, is an update from LE about this case. Have they made any DNA identifications with the other unidentified victims - especially the Asian man and the child. Can we at least get an estimated TOD?? :waitasec:

Have all the bodies been listed in the DOE database? I know they said one was listed as Jane Doe 6. I wish they would tell us about the others including the 2 women who wee found in Manorville. I know someone who is looking for her sister and she might be among these women.

 

[cog]

idk about OBA, but it in some private communities, the association owns the land, and the residents own the home on the property owned by the association. it forces residents to be members or the association and adhere to their policies and requirements. it also all but assures everyone knows everyone.

in this case, iirc, the town of babylon owns the land and probably the oak beach association leases it from the the town.

Thanks, I remember reading that the town leased the land IIRC for 50 years and the renewal should be coming up soon. Was wondering if those homes are vacant and possibly used for storage? Could someone from the association have access to any of those homes for whatever activity without worry of others entering when they/he was not at the home?

Just shooting in the wind! LOL

 

[truthspider]

check your private messages inspector

 

[truthspider]

truthspider, here's a response to your questions/comments (your comments are indented):

- they may be related, they may not be related. i don't know. my theory excludes manorville entirely for the moment. but this person was around in 2003. this person went to college near there, as did a brother. and a 2nd brother works right in the town next door to manorville.

Your theory also requires another amazing coincidence, a girl's life is threatened to the extent that she calls 911 and runs for her life from JB, only to encounter a completly unrelated murderer moments later and meets her demise. Holy Catfish that's bad luck!

- it's a coincidence, true, but not entirely unlikely. a woman in distress and causing a large commotion in a small beach community where a SK resides would definitely become a more likely target. its like the way a fish can sense a wounded or weak fish and then eats them for dinner. definitely bad luck, but not completely unlikely.

your theory also requires that cph was targeted as a patsy in the real SK phone call, and coincidentally without knowledge of said framing, CPH actually called the family. WHAT A COINCIDENCE! Man is that convenient!!

- it was dumb luck for the SK that made the initial call, but again, coincidental but not unlikely. in my theory, the real SK did not intend for CPH to make the call on the 6th, but the event was more likely to happen since the name CPH was used to begin with. it's definitely not too out of the realm of the possible/likely, particularly since we don't know the scope of diaz/pak's conversation with cph on their first encounter. it was reported as a "chance" encounter, but i suspect that diaz/pak already knew about the suspicious call from a dr. from SG's mom on May 2nd/3rd. they went looking for her, and bumped into CPH on May 5th(?). when they discovered he was a doctor during that conversation, they asked him to call SG's mom/sister immediately. so in fact, there is potentially a high likelihood that CPH would have made that call on the 6th, or at least eventually.

Also, if you research SK, the first thing you would learn is that the real SK WOULD poke his head out and into the investigation, as they almost always do, especially given the opportunity.

- not so sure this is "always" the case, but i'll agree that it happens for sure. there are many unsolved SKs, and I assume many do not want to get caught.

You say that CPH was framed? Why did he say on camera that he wasn't? I would think someone framed for murder would know it and acknowledge it.

- good point. he very cleary denies ever making any statements about a halfway house or seeing SG when he called on the May 6th, and I believe him, but i think the "halfway house" call actually occurred way before the 6th by someone other than CPH. also, since he knows he's not guilty, why start saying that he's been framed in the media? i wouldn't, i would simply deny the allegation.

Finally, he looks guilty because he lied repeatedly. Do gooder isn't a phrase i would apply to someone guilty of multiple gross negligence cases aganst minors. Check the court docs, don't take my word for it

- i'm not familiar with the court docs you're talking about, but every doctor is afraid of lawsuits and carries malpractice insurance because they get sued all the time. doctors are just people so sometimes they do actually screw up. that said, i'll retract my "do-gooder" statement and insert "interested party".

Your theory does not require all of these highly improbabable coincdences if your suspect is CPH. Occam's Razor.

- i agree, completely, it makes much more sense on the face of it. the problem with CPH though is that he has a pretty solid alabi of being home with his wife. and to me occam's razor said SG tried to hide/seek help much closer to GC's house - CPH's house is pretty far away.

Plastic doesn't break down in the environment ... ever. Can you re explain that statement?

- you're right, it's not biodegradable, but it photodegrades from sunlight, becomes brittle and is subject to animals chewing through it, strong winds, snow, etc. burlap would not and also would blend in to the natural surroundings where a black bag would stand out.

Do you happen to have a bionic appendage Inspector? .....go go gadget wooden leg?

- yes.


Truthspider, what do you make of the burlap rug? How common are those?

"my theory excludes manorville entirely for the moment. but this person was around in 2003. this person went to college near there, as did a brother".

stonybrook univ. is 25 miles from the manorville site. Long Island is 100 miles long. I don't consider this "near". where as CPH worked in riverhead, where you would have to pass through manorville everytime you went to work. Riverhead and manorville are 9 miles apart, which is much more near. The dump site off the LIE is also something CPH would have passed every time he went to work.


" it was dumb luck for the SK that made the initial call, but again, coincidental but not unlikely."

In an enclave the size of oak beach (70 homes i believe) the choice of CPH as patsy (1/70), then "coincidentally" the one oak beach resident that actually calls the family is CPH, again (1/70), the probability of both of these events occurring is on the order of 1 in 5,000. (for both events to occur you have to multiply the 2 probabilities)
Granted if you were picking a patsy from oak beach for SG you would likely pick a Male, so lets simplify this a bit and say half of the 70 homes in the assoc have 1 adult male. Then we are picking 1 out of 35 as a patsy, still anyone in the association could be the "unlucky" fool who does then actually call, again 1 in 70, the result? 1 in 2500. I hope CPH is feeling lucky, because things already don't look statistically good for him.


"i also think that i have reasonably addressed the ridiculous or amazing coincidences you mentioned, so now we're just talking about a series of sequential, interrelated events. "

My dear inspector, I have only shown you the odds of one event from your "series of sequential events", what event your intuition is telling you is unlikely but possible, is in reality, much much less likely than you think. Hubris is blinding your ability to see how unlikely each of these events are. Also, you have to take into consideration, that though each one is not impossible to have occurred, as you stack these unlikely events, the likelihood of your whole "theory" coming together is exponentially less likely than just one of them alone. Your theory does in the end, end up in the statistically improbable zone.

It's important to know what you don't know. You may be the best in the world at one thing, and i think you are, but beware, you are novice at others. What once seemed like a good "smoke screen", the phone call, has turned out to be exactly the opposite: a nearly unique identifier of your real identity.

 

[truthspider]

As far as the damming phone call, there is a 4th option that I haven't posted about.

CPH is the SK, but did not place the phone call himself.

We do know that there are people who know more about what happened the morning of May 1st than we the public know, JB for example. It is safe for us to assume that a member of the party, or simply a witness to the events of that morning, could better deduce who abducted SG. That person may have their own reasons for not going to the police, so they instead decide to place this phone call knowing it will lead to CPH arrest.

(For this scenario I really like JB)

Maybe JB was able to put it together that CPH abducted her. Let's say JB did pick up drugs from CPH to give to the girl, and then administered the drug (pill) to SG or they took the drive and CPH handed over some pills. (CPH would know that when things went wrong with SG that JB would seek CPH assistance in dealing with an overdosing, or unconscious SG. We know this behavior as Hero Syndrom, think fireman who sets fires) SG knows she has been "roofied" and panics and rightfully assumes, people have bad intentions for her. JB doesn't run back to doc for help, but instead his reaction is "flight", and tried to get SG to leave before this girl dies or ODs on his couch. JB doesn't know CPH is a SK at this point in time, but he can tell from CPH behavior that what happened was intentionally malicious. After JB finds out that she didn't leave with Pak and wasn't found, he becomes increasingly aware of what kind of person CPH is and is worried that he is going to become the prime suspect in her disappearance, so he does the logical thing and places that call pointing everyone in the right direction, and tries to keep himself from being responsible for drugging this girl to death.

Personally, I think CPH placed the call himself, but it is worth thinking about the possibility that CPH is the SK AND he DIDN'T place the call

 

[internetgirl101]

OT: Ive been away for a while, so I'm still catching up with everyone's posts.

Does anyone have a link to the CNN video? TY

And upon googling, I found this phychic's insight/tarot reading. I'm sort of skeptical when it comes to this sort of thing, but, it is still an interesting read.

http://empathysinsights.blogspot.com/2011/07/shannon-gilbert.html

 

[inspctrgadget]

"My dear inspector, I have only shown you the odds of one event from your "series of sequential events"

Truth, with respect, I consider myself a Bayesian, and I believe your math is insufficient in this instance. Let's use Bayes Theorem and I think you'll see that our competing theories are not that far removed. I'll think a bit more about how we might construct a true Bayes Net to properly weigh the (imperfect) evidence at hand mathematically to develop something with a much higher degree of statistical precision. Perhaps I can even turn you into a Bayesian

Also, begrudgingly, I'll think about your last comment in bold this weekend. Have a nice Friday!

 

[Seaslug44]

As far as the damming phone call, there is a 4th option that I haven't posted about.

CPH is the SK, but did not place the phone call himself.

We do know that there are people who know more about what happened the morning of May 1st than we the public know, JB for example. It is safe for us to assume that a member of the party, or simply a witness to the events of that morning, could better deduce who abducted SG. That person may have their own reasons for not going to the police, so they instead decide to place this phone call knowing it will lead to CPH arrest.

(For this scenario I really like JB)

Maybe JB was able to put it together that CPH abducted her. Let's say JB did pick up drugs from CPH to give to the girl, and then administered the drug (pill) to SG or they took the drive and CPH handed over some pills. (CPH would know that when things went wrong with SG that JB would seek CPH assistance in dealing with an overdosing, or unconscious SG. We know this behavior as Hero Syndrom, think fireman who sets fires) SG knows she has been "roofied" and panics and rightfully assumes, people have bad intentions for her. JB doesn't run back to doc for help, but instead his reaction is "flight", and tried to get SG to leave before this girl dies or ODs on his couch. JB doesn't know CPH is a SK at this point in time, but he can tell from CPH behavior that what happened was intentionally malicious. After JB finds out that she didn't leave with Pak and wasn't found, he becomes increasingly aware of what kind of person CPH is and is worried that he is going to become the prime suspect in her disappearance, so he does the logical thing and places that call pointing everyone in the right direction, and tries to keep himself from being responsible for drugging this girl to death.

Personally, I think CPH placed the call himself, but it is worth thinking about the possibility that CPH is the SK AND he DIDN'T place the call

I've been out to sea for a while without Internet access or television so I'm still trying to catch up on reading all of the posts. It appears that our good Doctor has backed himself into a corner with his phone calls, interviews and the strange letters he has written. truth spider, your theory makes a ton of sense, no doubt. If true, then do you think it set the doc off causing him to flee to Arizona?

 

[goathairjones]

A body was just found off Old Town Road in Coram, NY (about 30 miles away from Oak Beach). I don't know if it's connected. No info out on it yet. I just saw a Breaking News Alert on News12 Long Island (TV). I will keep you posted.

 

[Pinkhammer]

A body was just found off Old Town Road in Coram, NY (about 30 miles away from Oak Beach). I don't know if it's connected. No info out on it yet. I just saw a Breaking News Alert on News12 Long Island (TV). I will keep you posted.

Thanks for the heads-up.